Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[SargeMaximus]

Well have to agree to disagree. I do think that DMSI helped, but I still say my pua skills did the heavy lifting. It’s been that way since the beginning. If I was getting 10’s in spite of everything (mess ups, pua tactics, if nothing mattered and I still got the girls I wanted) then I’d conclude it must be the DMSI aura. But so far, whenever taking conscious control and employing pua, I get better and more consistent results.

I do think DMSI helps make the pua more effective, but at this point, pua is the driver, DMSI is the fuel.

[dissonance]

To me, you are the driver, DMSI is the fuel (or jetpack boosts lol), and PUA methods/teachings persona/vibe is the type of paint jobs/rims/car seat your car has. PUA works on certain girls, but other girls like a different color paint/rims/carseats. To me, it seems like the higher quality women are becoming pretty fucking attuned to PUA "tactics" and much prefer a non-gamey and more genuine approach. An approach that's not about "gaming" her into compliance to sleep with you, but more about sub-communicating the fact that you are being your fully genuine purpose-focused self that would be happy for her to share time with you in your world, whether you want her to be a casual friend with benefits in that world, or a serious relationship, but also just as happy if she disappeared and never came back.

[SargeMaximus]

To me, you are the driver, DMSI is the fuel (or jetpack boosts lol), and PUA methods/teachings persona/vibe is the type of paint jobs/rims/car seat your car has. PUA works on certain girls, but other girls like a different color paint/rims/carseats. To me, it seems like the higher quality women are becoming pretty ***** attuned to PUA "tactics" and much prefer a non-gamey and more genuine approach. An approach that's not about "gaming" her into compliance to sleep with you, but more about sub-communicating the fact that you are being your fully genuine purpose-focused self that would be happy for her to share time with you in your world, whether you want her to be a casual friend with benefits in that world, or a serious relationship, but also just as happy if she disappeared and never came back.

That sounds good and everything but my experience shows that unless you can communicate all that, you won’t be successful. I’ve been in my personal mission for several years now, and if that was the “it” factor, women should have been much more easy. Again, only by applying pua tactics did I see any results whatsoever. Nothing else in my life has changed but the tactics I used. The tactics allow you to communicate that which you describe.

[Oversoul]

Walked past a two girls a couple of days ago, and one suddenly starts talking loudly about condoms.

Walked past another couple of girls and one said 'you see the think that just walked past, woah'. I was the only one that walked past.

I don't know how to feel about this, getting treated like 'thing'. lol.

I can figure they saw you like a walking sex g*d or something like that. Or a sybian..or a dildo. Atleast something they want to bang and you crept in their minds ;D

Hearing you about being called "thing" tho.

Yeah that 'thing' thing was fucked up. I liked it but I didnt. lol.

[Oversoul]

Going to the shop, I just noticed something.

A lot of my inner talk and dialogues have been replaced by animal sounds.

Instead of telling myself to 'straighten your back' its been replaced by a lion roar. Or a serpent hiss. Seems to automatically give me the effect I was intending, but better. Feel more animalistic, natural and raw, and with less metal clutter, the world just seems more alive.

Also, an unknown cat randomly came and stroked itself against me. lol
This never happens, most the time they either ignore me, run or just stare.

EDIT: Just read somewhere that cats are really sensitive to peoples' energies etc. Hmm

[Williamx25]

I just screwed up my ASRB-Break on 5.5G DMSI 3.2A....

I listened for eight days straight this week instead of seven days... Should I just take tomorrow one day off and continue as normal???

How much will this mistake influence me??

[Williamx25]

Hi Shannon,

For someone who has not seen much results from MLS 5.5G and DMSI so far, will the upcoming US/LM (or any others in the near future) be able to overcome resistance?

I feel stuck in one place with subliminals for a long time now. For me I sometimes see small things that tells me my mind is listening to the subliminals, but they are not really good results.

For example with DMSI when I take a break from listening for a week or so I notice I bump into people I know more often. But nothing more than that.

Thanks.

I can't say for sure what they will do for you. I know that we are steadily increasing how well the programs work on resistant behavior. But if and when any particular person will start executing significantly, I cannot know.

How do I consciously know what the instructions are? Or is it something that I will execute subconsciously?

What do you exactly mean with those instructions? Adjusting body language/ voice tone / eye contact ? Becoming a more attractive man through body language? Or is it the programming that goes right into my subconscious mind?

If approaching girls isn’t executing the instructions, or talking to them, what is it then? Just curious

[dissonance]

Hey Shannon, what do the sexual performance modules in 3.2 do exactly? What aspects do they touch upon/work on?

[thor2014]

I just screwed up my ASRB-Break on 5.5G DMSI 3.2A....

I listened for eight days straight this week instead of seven days... Should I just take tomorrow one day off and continue as normal???

How much will this mistake influence me??

Personally I forgot to take a break for nearly 4 weeks . I do not think it will have a negative influence. Having said that will see what Ben or Shannon has to say.

[thor2014]

Thor I’m curious and would love your opinion on why I have only gotten laid by using pua...

Cuz you are good looking ?

Aside some basic principles, PUA is so useless.

How come I never got laid before learning PUA then?

Sarge as i have said previously your good looking. Its not hard for guy who is an 8 to get laid with a girl who is a 5, 6 7 or 8.

How long have you been studying pua ? 3 to 4 years ? How come you were not getting laid then ?. Then DMSI 3.2 comes along then your getting laid.

DMSi i believe has cleared some crap out out of your head which was stopping you from taking strategic action to get laid. PUA is a gimmick. Do you think a fat balding guy in his 50s who has never groomed able to get laid with a girl half his age. Answer no because the moment that girl layes eyes on him she has already decided in her mind that i dont want to give him the time of day. So he will get blown out.

So no pua material in the world will help him. Unless he is celebrity.

The big breakthrough came when I learned the "push/pull" tactic. I use it on every date and it works to get makeouts and such.

It's a spectrum. The more tactics you use successfully, the more successful you will be with the girl. I know this for a fact. That fat balding guy in his 50's is, I believe, Johnny Soporno who dates pornstars so yes, it can and does work.


In sales it is the same, if you don't use the tactics right, you won't be successful on the same street where someone else who is using the tactics right will clean up. I know this because I've been that guy.


Having said that, there will always be girls/customers who will not buy no matter what, but it's not as simple as "you're good looking". I look better than my brother, for example, and yet he has a steady stream of women. So I don't buy that for a second.

Sarge i disagree strongly, PUA is like giving someone crutches to help them walk. Its toxic especially for those with self esteem, asp or other related mental disorders.

PUA never existed 20 years ago and guys were still getting laid. No amount of PUA will help an unattractive guy get laid.

[kornjacinvrac]

Rellying on "tactics" and "gimmicks" for attracting a girl is a stupid way to go. Yes they can spark attraction, yes they can get you 30 minutes into "something" that might happen, yes they are amusing and when girls laugh it feels so good - but in reallity it's not important.

Even if you get that girl, what's the point? You will believe it was the "tactic" and not "you". You either study more tactics or you quit this whole nonsense.

One can always be short on tactics, neither when one is in a healthy relashionship does he think "omg i need to do one tactic or my girl will leave me" after one year of being togeather. That would be insane. But this is what i see people do. They are always thinking that what they said or what they did attracted the girl, but it was something entirely different.

In pua, not to mention "state crashes" when you analyze being "in state" or "out of state" and contraversly never being in "state", because you are always micromanaging it, and its a mental desease.

Im not saying PUA is 100% bad, it has it flaws, but there are many many things in it that are destructive and there is a better way of doing things.

[SargeMaximus]

We’ll agree to disagree guys. I don’t see anything constructive coming out of this discussion.

[Zane]

Seriously,Tbh I find Sarge kinda interesting dude...

Cause he has different set of beliefs than many of us here and we think that those beliefs are toxic for him to get laid or in his career yet he is getting laid and making good sales/money from time to time....

I always counted him as an exception...If Sarge thinks that PUA works for him then it works for him..He believes in it..

Main thing is that he is getting laid and u guys should be happy..After all thats what we all want for Sarge..

All kinds of Possibilities exist in this Universe ..Sarge is One of them..lol..I am serious Btw xD

[lano1106]

Sarge i disagree strongly, PUA is like giving someone crutches to help them walk. Its toxic especially for those with self esteem, asp or other related mental disorders.

PUA never existed 20 years ago and guys were still getting laid. No amount of PUA will help an unattractive guy get laid.

A lot of things didn't existed 20 years ago.

As far as society exist, there has been some activities that humans have done for centuries with moderate success. Such activities include selling, public speaking, politics, courtship.

Then something called science came. It is the process to analyze, make experiments, conceptualize ideas to better understand in order to create knowledge allowing people to learn skills and get predictable and repeatable results.

Using science on those millenial activities made optimization possible and made results measurably much better.

Many successful people do use social and psychological sciences in their interactions with others and get great results.

I guess that it comes down whether or not you believe in science.

One possible objection against using science in courtship could be that you could objectify women that you interact with and/or you become a social robot.

To that I would answer that it is a question of balance. Don't overly rely on science but don't ignore that it exist neither.

My best influence bible is the Principles of Influence from Robert Cialdini. The guy is a psychology researcher and everything he writes is backed by scientific social experiments. So the thing is serious and isn't BS. Ignoring that those things exist and are real and can be used by you to get what you want is silly, imho...

and most PUA stuff out there is basically applying Cialdini influence principles for flirting...

Beside, nothing is unidimensional in life. I don't even understand why some people argue that there is only 1 thing that is good to get success with women.

Being irresistible sexually is a quality.
PUA/flirting is a skill.

Can you get result with only one of those things? Yes. I believe that you can get even better result if you possess both.

Someone earlier in the thread did use a car driving analogy saying the using DMSI was like stop applying the handbreak while driving.

So lets use another car driving analogy. If you give the best car to a pilot, is he going to win the race? You gave him a strong advantage over the competition but unless he knows how to drive, winning isn't guaranteed...

Finally, there is good PUA material and BAD PUA material. Don't ditch the whole thing because you had only experienced bad material...