Shannon's Journal Discussion

[RisingSon]

Shannon, you may be inserting yourself into a savior position in an attempt to "save us from ourselves" or something.

I don't think it's possible to save women from themselves. Once you see through to their base nature and have forsaken all the cons. It brings out a whole new level of understanding. It's uncomfortable, but is what it is.

I base most of my views around nature or ancient laws from wise old men. No, it's not necessarily good karma to go around killing people and I would certainly not. However... Certain things sure do elicit the mating instinct.

Women have always adored soldiers, the violent, the brave. That certain intensity is panty dropping. The alternative is to be a beta provider and eventually get cuckolded by the stronger stud.

Being a beta only works if society collectively shames women into monogamy and although a great strategy that basically created civilization, we are way past that point. Female nature has been unleashed and now it's adapt or die. (With them now shaming men instead, lol).

[Aventus45]

Second thought: Let's put a "i'm damaged, fix me" vibe into DMSI which would def get results from the hottest of hotties! Heh... Maybe not.

Holy shit, that would be AWESOME, especially if the damage included social retardation.

Then, as she makes the guy her pet project, she proceeds to fulfill his every sexual fantasy. :o

I don't think I want to be considered a girl's " pet project" just me?
Maybe we can add something that makes the girl really eager to fulfill any sexual desires the user wants?

[Shannon]

So for NS in DMSI is it designed to get us to respond in the way that affects the sniped person? Or is it supposed to be a mix of the users natural way of seduction and the way she is the most receptive?

Edit: I would think the latter would make it more of a natural transition and effective.

It will aim for everyone you want to have sex with, basically.

[Shannon]

Shannon, you may be inserting yourself into a savior position in an attempt to "save us from ourselves" or something.

I don't think it's possible to save women from themselves. Once you see through to their base nature and have forsaken all the cons. It brings out a whole new level of understanding. It's uncomfortable, but is what it is.

I base most of my views around nature or ancient laws from wise old men. No, it's not necessarily good karma to go around killing people and I would certainly not. However... Certain things sure do elicit the mating instinct.

Women have always adored soldiers, the violent, the brave. That certain intensity is panty dropping. The alternative is to be a beta provider and eventually get cuckolded by the stronger stud.

Being a beta only works if society collectively shames women into monogamy and although a great strategy that basically created civilization, we are way past that point. Female nature has been unleashed and now it's adapt or die. (With them now shaming men instead, lol).

You are so completely misunderstanding that I am going to have to just leave it alone, because I don't have the time or energy right now to explain what I mean. But seriously... totally misunderstanding what I am talking about.

[Shannon]

The first rule is, you as a human being cannot force the whole world to operate the way you want it to. No matter what you do, how much you want it, or who you are.

That is the rule you refuse to follow. You do seem to be making strides in the right direction, though.

I don't know how the world works, if I did, I wouldn't be having this problem.

And how do you know I'm making strides in the right direction? You must be seeing something I'm not, you must also know what the right direction is, in which case why don't you just tell me or write a book or something?

You can change certain things through various means, but not the whole thing. That means you have to go with the flow sometimes. Work with "what is", instead of trying to change it. The key is knowing when you can change something, and when you cannot. It's not always easy to learn, or teach that stuff. I've tried to help, but we don't seem to communicate well enough for me to put it in words that you understand. Maybe that is not an accident.

Here's the problem: "What is"... what is that? What really IS what is...

That's so vague it could mean a million things. That's why I don't understand. I need specific examples of things that "are" or "what is" and the contrast to "what is not".

Some rules you are meant to be aware of, and some you are not. For those you are not supposed to be aware of, you have to rely on your deep subconscious, higher self or whatever you want to call it, to help you out. Which I'm doing through subs.

Beyond that, it's the grindstone of life. That's why they say youth is wasted on the young: they don't know what they've got, because they haven't had the experience to understand yet.

I think autism is a little different than just failing to learn "what is". Just saying.

I don't want to put limiting beliefs on myself, but with all the knowledge and experience I have, you'd think if I didn't have some defect of the mind I'd have figured this out already.

What I need is examples of the "what is" stuff.

If you really want to help, just point it out.

I made a post about a girl in the library today, if you really want to help, explain what happened, because I can't. The girl literally did a 180 on me while I was interacting normal, with no neediness, nothing that I can see was wrong, yet her sudden repulsion and "snap" in behavior indicates I did do something, or did not do something, and I need to find out lest I keep doing this over and over and over to infinity.

Every time I start to explain, and you take interest, you ask me a series of questions, and I spend a lot of time and effort in answering, and then you find ways or reasons to disregard what I have said. So I'm not explaining anymore, because either you don't want to actually get it, or somehow I am not communicating effectively or both.

As for the snap behavior change... there was a reason. She just didn't tell you what it was. Women assume men can read minds.

[Benjamin]

Shannon:

In Funky's journal you and others were discussing Freezing instead of executing DMSI's script.

I'm reading a very interesting book entirely about this freeze response, called "Waking the Tiger" by Peter Levine. Very highly reviewed on amazon and goodreads.com

It argues that this freezing is rooted in our animalistic "fight/flight/freeze" response to trauma. After escaping a predator, you will see gazelles shake uncontrollably for a little while before eating grass like nothing ever happened.

We tend to focus on fight/flight, but the freeze response is just as viable in the animal kingdom. In many cases it is the best chance of survival. Levine believes that emotional trauma caused by this response, and that many mental illnesses are rooted in the body's inability to escape the tension built up in the nervous system from the freeze response.

Humans have forgotten how to do this, and because we have the neocortex, we can partially override this natural release and mess up the process even further through denial and rationalization. My guess is that myself and others are doing this to some degree.

I'm not sure how this could help the script, but it seems very related and I thought you might find it helpful or just relevant/interesting.

I definately beleive this is a BIG part of the issue through my own trauma. I do know what to do with girls, i've done it so many times before but it's the trauma that causes the fear and such that has covered that up and not allowed me to access it. So for me I don't believe it's the "not knowing what to do thing" (though yes that may apply to some) it's the other stuff covering that up.

Interesting because i'm doing SE sessions myself, Peter Levine has some good stuff though his books are a little difficult to read.

I've had this happen to me on any sub with a healing component. For me, it was like this:

Imagine you have an open, festering sore and apply some kind of cleaning agent on it. It burns like hell while you're cleaning it, and when you stop, it feels better. But... there's still infection there. It feels like relief because much of the infection's been cleansed. Once you apply the cleansing agent again, it starts to hurt all over again -- maybe even worse, because now you're going past the surface level infection and hitting the source.

E2 is that cleansing agent, removing all the nasty emotional trauma in your subconscious. It doesn't hurt as bad when you stop running it, but as soon as you run it again, you start to resist and feel that emotional pain again.

Wow, thanks man. That's a perfect way to put it. I didn't even consider something like that.

There are two possible things that this could be. The first one people have talked about. The other one is... you've just broken through and you're proud of yourself and all happy about it... and then... "Back to work. More work to do."

"Awwww man...."

You may want to take some time (hours) to allow the victory to be savored.

Hmm interesting, I did have the feeling that I should have just left it alone for a while longer but it was too late when I put it back on. I'll keep that in mind for next time to just enjoy it more instead of going back to more listening. Thanks.

[Steven]

Shannon,

1) How about a simile like "I am like a drug to women"?

Based on what you wrote, I'm guessing the unconscious would try to interpret this literally and fail, after which it would be archived. Is that right?

2) How about something I know isn't true because of facts such as "I have had sex with 1000s of women"? Would the unconscious just dismiss this, or try to make it true by changing one's identity and behavior?

3) What if you are trying to change your identity so you use a phrase that isn't true, but you use it with the goal of it becoming true such as "I am a Powerball jackpot lottery winner" or "I am an Indy 500 winner" or "I have an internationally recognized brand"?

Would that force action congruent with that to change one's identity and achieve those goals? Or would the unconscious dismiss it?

[SargeMaximus]

Every time I start to explain, and you take interest, you ask me a series of questions, and I spend a lot of time and effort in answering, and then you find ways or reasons to disregard what I have said. So I'm not explaining anymore, because either you don't want to actually get it, or somehow I am not communicating effectively or both.

As for the snap behavior change... there was a reason. She just didn't tell you what it was. Women assume men can read minds.

Hmm, well there's got to be a way. Obviously I'm not understanding you, but I don't believe that communication is impossible, otherwise languages couldn't be translated.

As for disregarding things, it's easy to disregard something when I have proof from my life's experience that it hasn't worked that way in the past. If you were to tell me, for example, that women DON'T have sex with skinny guys (just as an example) and I then asked you "how come there is a porn video with a skinny guy banging a girl then?" that wouldn't be invalid. Nor would it be a failure to understand what you're saying. It would be a valid contradiction to what you've stated as fact.

In much the same way, I have experiences that disprove what is usually said. The problem is, instead of recognizing these anomalies, I'm branded as someone who is "beating their head against a wall" or other such nonsense.

In thje example above, that would be like me bringing up that bit about the skinny guy and then you (or whoever, doesn't have to be you. Could be anyone) says "dude, until you stop being so stubborn, you'll never get it". Now tell me how that even makes sense?

So I hope you can see that this isn't just an ego trip, a failure to "get" something, or a stubbornness but, perhaps, it's a stance coming from direct experience.

Now, I don't know how to reconcile this (I certainly can't lie to myself and say "yeah, skinny guys don't have sex with women" as an example. Meaning: I can't disregard the experiences I've had, and until they can be dis-proven, I will be stuck UNLESS an explanation can change or negate the experience.

I just don't know. I have so much desire and will to understand this but something is definitely not adding up, so I need to find out what.

And obviously I'm the newb here, but I don't understand why some things can not be explained unless, of course, those explaining them have no idea themselves.


Let me ask you this: In regards to the woman in the library, do YOU know the reason for the 180? If so, what was it?

[Shannon]

Shannon,

1) How about a simile like "I am like a drug to women"?

Based on what you wrote, I'm guessing the unconscious would try to interpret this literally and fail, after which it would be archived. Is that right?

That phrasing would induce it to try to find a way to make you "like a drug to women". But it would also be very dangerous, because without specifying which drug, you could end up with it trying to make you "like aspirin" to women, and find that whenever they're around you with a headache, it mysteriously goes away.

This is where scripting gets into some really sensitive and dangerous territory.

2) How about something I know isn't true because of facts such as "I have had sex with 1000s of women"? Would the unconscious just dismiss this, or try to make it true by changing one's identity and behavior?

It would depend on how this was input, but in most cases, it would take this as a directive to have sex with 1200 women, try to find a way to make it happen, and very possibly you would end up a porn star who was REALLY busy, or it would simply give up and stop trying. If it cannot find a way, the assertion fails and the subconscious ignores it.

3) What if you are trying to change your identity so you use a phrase that isn't true, but you use it with the goal of it becoming true such as "I am a Powerball jackpot lottery winner" or "I am an Indy 500 winner" or "I have an internationally recognized brand"?

You are getting into some very complex scenarios here, which, for reasons that are beyond the scope of the journal and the amount of time and energy I have right now, would almost certainly fail for the first one, probably fail for number two, and possibly work for the third.

Would that force action congruent with that to change one's identity and achieve those goals? Or would the unconscious dismiss it?

If the unconscious can find a way, it will start working towards the goal. That may require years or even decades to achieve, depending on the focus, energy and persistence applied and the goal. If not, it will simply be ignored.

[Shannon]

Every time I start to explain, and you take interest, you ask me a series of questions, and I spend a lot of time and effort in answering, and then you find ways or reasons to disregard what I have said. So I'm not explaining anymore, because either you don't want to actually get it, or somehow I am not communicating effectively or both.

As for the snap behavior change... there was a reason. She just didn't tell you what it was. Women assume men can read minds.

Hmm, well there's got to be a way. Obviously I'm not understanding you, but I don't believe that communication is impossible, otherwise languages couldn't be translated.

As for disregarding things, it's easy to disregard something when I have proof from my life's experience that it hasn't worked that way in the past. If you were to tell me, for example, that women DON'T have sex with skinny guys (just as an example) and I then asked you "how come there is a porn video with a skinny guy banging a girl then?" that wouldn't be invalid. Nor would it be a failure to understand what you're saying. It would be a valid contradiction to what you've stated as fact.

In much the same way, I have experiences that disprove what is usually said. The problem is, instead of recognizing these anomalies, I'm branded as someone who is "beating their head against a wall" or other such nonsense.

In thje example above, that would be like me bringing up that bit about the skinny guy and then you (or whoever, doesn't have to be you. Could be anyone) says "dude, until you stop being so stubborn, you'll never get it". Now tell me how that even makes sense?

So I hope you can see that this isn't just an ego trip, a failure to "get" something, or a stubbornness but, perhaps, it's a stance coming from direct experience.

Now, I don't know how to reconcile this (I certainly can't lie to myself and say "yeah, skinny guys don't have sex with women" as an example. Meaning: I can't disregard the experiences I've had, and until they can be dis-proven, I will be stuck UNLESS an explanation can change or negate the experience.

I just don't know. I have so much desire and will to understand this but something is definitely not adding up, so I need to find out what.

And obviously I'm the newb here, but I don't understand why some things can not be explained unless, of course, those explaining them have no idea themselves.


Let me ask you this: In regards to the woman in the library, do YOU know the reason for the 180? If so, what was it?

Sarge, you know it takes me energy to read your responses. And to write responses back. And you seem to love the discourse, and when I have plenty of energy, I don't mind. But that energy that it takes is expensive for me, especially when I am building a sub, because running the models accurately is hugely draining for me mentally. So for now, I can't afford the energy to give you an in depth answer while I am working on DMSI. The stuff I am disambiguating in the script right now is critically important and I absolutely have to get it right. So I'm going to have to skip to answering your question at the end for the time being.

The reason for the 180 was that she interpreted something you did or said, consciously or not, in a manner that did not serve your interests.

[Minititan]

Version 3 of DMSI is sounding like the subliminal equivalent of a sexiness nuke. I have an amazing feeling about this next version.

[Shannon]

Version 3 of DMSI is sounding like the subliminal equivalent of a sexiness nuke. I have an amazing feeling about this next version.

3.0.1 is just the foundation for the next level.

[Cozy]

Second thought: Let's put a "i'm damaged, fix me" vibe into DMSI which would def get results from the hottest of hotties! Heh... Maybe not.

Holy shit, that would be AWESOME, especially if the damage included social retardation.

Then, as she makes the guy her pet project, she proceeds to fulfill his every sexual fantasy. :o

Sarge, I think you need to run an AYP, but it can't be a girlfriend one, it has to be some kind of extreme like dominant, or submissive lover. LOL

[wolverine_i_am]

Ha! I knew having NS in there would make DMSI more effective!

Time to celebrate.