Shannon's Journal Discussion

[RTBoss]

I know, CatMan...Let's get a button camera on ya for one of your nights out, record your interactions, upload it to a private YouTube channel, and we can see if we can all figure it out together! ;-)

[CatMan]

I know, CatMan...Let's get a button camera on ya for one of your nights out, record your interactions, upload it to a private YouTube channel, and we can see if we can all figure it out together! ;-)

Due to being such an established entrepreneur, that option is impossible for me now, lol. Ending up on Buzzfeed or wherever else would be deeply humiliating for this and would probably end my career in business.

Thanks kindly for the offer though, pal it means a lot.

[AlphaMind]

I was thinking similarly, I rather it be permanent.

Meh

At the end of the day only the Shannon knows the best.

[heavysm]

Yeah, true.

I do seem to have intimacy issues, touching them like that and at close range, at a dancing class for a long period of time where I'm expected to do that, tends to make me nervous and uncomfortable. Many times when I seem to accidentally touch them for too long innocently, and they pull away, I always feel I was rejected somehow. Like I was doing something wrong and inappropriate which resulted in them pulling away. Then I feel guilty about it and inhibited further in the future. I feel it's a constant stream of negative feedback, it's hard to break out of the GSF aspects without some positive feedback to let me know I won't be rejected and embarrassed, or worse as I've had often too.

I thought I'd use this program AOSI to give me that positive feedback, but it's becoming more and more obvious, this program isn't right for me...

Honestly, half of me wants to just cycle E2 and AM/BASE and say screw this women-chasing-treadmill-rubic's-cube, and be done with it.

From what I've have read from you lately I think E 2 for 3 months would suit you well.

Why?

Because once you get all the blockages out of the way you'll likely know where you want to go, whether it's back on the AM train or cranking up business with BASE.

Even if you don't go for 3 months of E 2, a month should guide you on feeling out what the next move should be. I'm following my own advice right now doing E 2 for hopefully 3 months then deciding where I want to go after. Technically I should complete my second run of BASE after E 2, but hey, I'm keeping my options open at this point. Sometimes we just need a reset button and I'm pretty sure E 2 is just that.

[Darkness]

I was thinking similarly, I rather it be permanent.

Meh

At the end of the day only the Shannon knows the best.

I can't concur, when I'm gonna be using something that's like tom ford's oud wood perfume,a beautiful loss.

[4Kingdoms]

Honestly, half of me wants to just cycle E2 and AM/BASE and say screw this women-chasing-treadmill-rubic's-cube, and be done with it.

Great idea!!! Best part?? The changes are so smooth and feels so natural as they are happening, you won't even realize they have happened until someone who hasn't seen you in awhile tells you... "Catman, something is different about you. I don't know what it is, but I like it. Whatever you are on, I want some of it!"

And you will hear it over and over again from people you know and still wonder, "Am I that different??" You may not see the difference or care to give it any thought, but you will feel wonderful!!

Hope you start E2 soon, like right now!!! And keep us up to date with your journey.

[Shannon]

Hey Shannon I was wondering if you could clarify some statements you made in this post: http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-5159-p...l#pid69089

You said your subliminals were not to be used with any other form of mind programming, like NLP, hypnosis, etc.

I was just curious what the extent of this is?

I know you mentioned that meditation doesn't work well with EPRAHA in LionKing's journal. Was it simply his style of meditation or all meditation?

As far as NLP or Hypnosis goes I see them as just being tools to describe things other people have been doing with language and their minds for centuries, but does your definition of NLP or Hypnosis also include therapeutic tools like CBT, ACT, or goal visualization?

Thanks in advance for your reply Shannon

I'm excited to hop onto the DAOS bandwagon as soon as I'm done taking out all this emotional garbage.

Mind programming can conflict if the goals are not fully compatible.

It can conflict if it is made by more than one creator, and especially if they have different approaches, levels of experience, degrees of understanding and drives to be precise and accurate.

The issue is conflict. I can only design the program to do it's job. I can't design it to know what crazy sh*t you guys might think of doing all at once.

So, the safe answer is...

use the subliminal, or use something else, but don't use both at once.

[Shannon]

I'm planning to run AOSI every night so that will be 8-9 hours. I was thinking about eventually trying the Natural Seduction sub. Let's say I only listen to that for 1-4 hours every saturaday while doing AOSI every night, would they compliment each other? Or is it redundant?

AOSI is the great grandchild of NSFM. NSFM started us on the path of ITM-SS. Both use it, but to different levels of cost, advancement and intensity. And, they're using it in opposite directions. One is making you inwardly sexy, and the other is making you outwardly seduction oriented.

State shifting conflicts with state shifting. You can't hold two separate states at once unless they are both instructed within the same script, and they do not conflict.

This is two different programs. They will very likely conflict therefore. This is two opposing goals. They will again very likely conflict.

Since AOSI is miles more advanced and powerful, just get to know what it can do for now. You can experiment with melting your mind later.

[Shannon]

I'm planning to run AOSI every night so that will be 8-9 hours. I was thinking about eventually trying the Natural Seduction sub. Let's say I only listen to that for 1-4 hours every saturaday while doing AOSI every night, would they compliment each other? Or is it redundant?

I want to really second this. Is it possible Shannon to use AOSI along with Natural seduction ( strictly sticking to the short term use as listed on the sale page). Just a minimum amount of hours per week!

As best I can see, this will tend to cause a conflict between the programs.

[Shannon]

In this way, it will behave sort of like an ultra-powerful NSFM, except that it doesn't get YOU to seduce others; instead it will tend to have the effect (when used for enough time beforehand, which will vary from person to person) of getting others to seduce YOU.

Based off this quote NSFM and AOSI seem to be working towards some similar goals but from different perspectives. In a perfect world without negative effects occurring from usage of these two subs in a short period of time (less than 48 hours in this case) these two would be a perfect one two punch. AOSI pulls people in and NSFM helps you seduce whoever it is that is effected (this is all THEORY). That theory would work assuming that the two subs did not conflict with each other.

I can only speak from my experience of NSFM and AOS 3G but I do recall vividly that NSFM basically gave me the peak effects I had from AOS 3G only more consistently and it mainly affected my mentality. Again, that was old tech. We have no idea what the new rules are for the 5.5G stuff.

Also Shannon, previously you stated that too much comfort could be a bad thing in regards to sexual tension (which I agree with to an extent). Now AOSI has modules and scripting to accomplish comfort. You don't have to answer this but I am curious about the type of balance you were aiming for as far as familiarity, comfort and positive sexual tension.

@Sickologist: Man I almost completely forgot you were running AOS already. Do keep us informed if you get AOSI. Thanks.

EDIT: To clarify, I'm not saying AOSI and NSFM should be used at the same time. I was thinking along the lines of Sickologists' proposed usage pattern.

The goal is to balance postive sexual tension with the comfort with it that allows for acceptance and action on it; and the familiarity is intended along the same lines. People are attracted to what is attractive, but if it is unsafe, unfamiliar, unknown, or uncomfortable to the right degree, they will also be repelled. It can lead to a caution or ASD approach, instead of achieving the goal.

My aim is to balance the comfort and familiarity with positive sexual tension and attraction/arousal such that the best of all worlds is the result. Maximum unlock and action for the goal of the program.

[Shannon]

I was hoping that the aura was permanent until you run a sub that changes that aura...

What exactly does AOSI manifest?
- Is it the "sexy me" (like in E2 the "healed me")?
- Is it the "attraction" of the gender I am attracted to?
- Is it the people that will come into my life?

Also what will stay permanent after 3 months of usage?

The primary manifestation is manifesting success achieving the goals of the program. The secondary manifestation is manifesting interaction with those people who fit the criteria of people who you find attractive who are of the right gender.

As to what will stay permanent, there are a lot of variables in play that make that difficult to answer. It is likely going to be a medium to long term effect, not permanent, because it requires a constant state of energy manipulation, inflow, adjustment and projection. That level of activity, effort and focus does not tend to be something the subconscious is likely to maintain permanently from what I have seen.

Technically it may sound like the limit as to what AOSI could bring, but if it doesn't have permanency effect installed, wouldn't it just be like a sub you use for fun? Like a long term recreation drug / pheromone that makes you sexy, but once the effect is over you aren't sexy anymore. I know I am doubting a bit much and I definitely appreciate the work, just wondering since all the other major stage sets have permanency designed in mind. If it's physically impossible to design for this sub, then that's another issue.

AOSI does have permanency programming in it. But the mechanism behind the program requires a lot of focus and effort and energy, and people do not tend to self motivate that well. I am therefore predicting that the effects will tend to fade over time if you stop using it, unless you use it for a hell of a long time - and maybe even then.

It's not designed for fun, it's designed to achieve it's goals, to whatever end they make sense for you. Fun, serious, whatever.

If you use it as instructed for long term use, the effects will not fade instantly when you stop using it, but they will not be "powered" anymore when the constant motivation to make the effort required is gone. You can steer a car without powered steering, but it's nowhere near as easy. It takes energy to manipulate energy. While the program will, to some degree, work after you stop it when you have used it long term - as there is a lot of programming that will continue running and affecting you - the motivation-requiring high energy expenditure parts will tend to slow down a lot.

There are limits to what is possible, and to what is desirable.

[Shannon]

I was hoping that the aura was permanent until you run a sub that changes that aura...

What exactly does AOSI manifest?
- Is it the "sexy me" (like in E2 the "healed me")?
- Is it the "attraction" of the gender I am attracted to?
- Is it the people that will come into my life?

Also what will stay permanent after 3 months of usage?

The primary manifestation is manifesting success achieving the goals of the program. The secondary manifestation is manifesting interaction with those people who fit the criteria of people who you find attractive who are of the right gender.

As to what will stay permanent, there are a lot of variables in play that make that difficult to answer. It is likely going to be a medium to long term effect, not permanent, because it requires a constant state of energy manipulation, inflow, adjustment and projection. That level of activity, effort and focus does not tend to be something the subconscious is likely to maintain permanently from what I have seen.

Technically it may sound like the limit as to what AOSI could bring, but if it doesn't have permanency effect installed, wouldn't it just be like a sub you use for fun? Like a long term recreation drug / pheromone that makes you sexy, but once the effect is over you aren't sexy anymore. I know I am doubting a bit much and I definitely appreciate the work, just wondering since all the other major stage sets have permanency designed in mind. If it's physically impossible to design for this sub, then that's another issue.

I was thinking similarly, I rather it be permanent.

If it was permanent, you'd prefer it wasn't. That would very likely conflict with a lot of advanced stuff I haven't built yet.

[Shannon]

Yeah it sounds like the sub isn't a permanent sub, and is augmenting "what you currently have", as Shannon has described earlier on as well. Since SM3 totally failed for me and is deemed to be a deep permanent change compared to this program...I'm now not convinced this sub will do much either, at least currently since "what I have" hasn't gotten any success at all. I'll have to rethink whether buying it and switching to it from E2 is wise, sadly. If I didn't get benefit from SM3, I'm probably not likely to get much from this, either. It's going to suck reading epic reports from others, but I did the same thing about SM3 so that isn't new.

We'll see, I just don't want to get my hopes up in my case. I feel it's already been massively over hyped beyond belief, which puts unnecessary pressure on ourselves...and on Shannon.

Let us reiterate that SM3 did not fail you. It's just a set of instructions. The action was on your part, and so if anything, you failed to accept, execute and act on the instructions.

I'm amused how easily you are influenced about things, without ever trying them. But not surprised. It's the end all be all, no, it won't work. Meanwhile, it's not even available for sale yet. Whatever happened to "Let's see what happens when I use it"? Assumptions don't make for very good basis for decisions that produce results, and as a business man, you should know that.

I already told you, you need to focus on clearing out the crap that's holding you down and holding you back. 3 to 9 months of E2 should be massively helpful. Don't try to do AM again until you feel like E2 has cleared out a hell of a lot of crap, and it doesn't hurt when you stop using it and the emotional anesthetic fades away. Once that happens, you may find you don't need to run anything else to accomplish your goals. But if you do want to, then consider AOSI or AM. But first focus on what the real issue is. E2 is the right tool for this job.

I know I'm talking myself out of a sale here, but the fact is, you're better off doing it this way. I'd rather you genuinely fix the problem, than make a little more money in the short run.

[Shannon]

It occurs to me that AOSI should not be used with pheromones, until you are significantly familiar with how AOSI performs by itself and how pheromones perform by themselves.

What is the reason for this?

How will you know what did what if you just blindly use them both at once without knowing what each does on its own first? Seriously!