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"Sins of our fathers" Epigenetics-thread - Gotcha - 07-22-2016
(07-22-2016, 08:32 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote:(07-22-2016, 07:57 AM)Gotcha Wrote: What living person would not have had bad stuff happen to their ancestors, somewhere along their lineage? Recorded human history is pretty much truly heinous sh*t that's been done by some humans onto other humans. Are you saying we are all carrying genetic memories of this, both/either as victims or perpetrators?
Epigenetics.
http://discovermagazine.com/2013/may/13-grandmas-experiences-leave-epigenetic-mark-on-your-genes
Reals before feelz.
But RTBoss is right. Let's talk about that here: http://subliminal-talk.com/forum-15.html
Thanks for the link, Chaos. I have somehow managed to miss out on this being proven. This is fascinating stuff! I always figured the concept of "original sin", if you will, was bullshit. This stuff however, could explain some of the repeating negative patterns in society.
So, how (short of the discovery of a pill) can this be changed? E2?
RE: "Sins of our fathers" Epigenetics-thread - SargeMaximus - 07-22-2016
(07-22-2016, 11:16 AM)Gotcha Wrote: So, how (short of the discovery of a pill) can this be changed? E2?
Exactly. The danger of this type of inquiry is that it sets us up to be a victim and not even try because as Dimitry put it "we're cursed" I call severe BS on that, especially since people like Tony Robins have overcome severely bad childhoods with bad parents but went on to succeed at nearly everything.
What we need is empowering discoveries, not discoveries that feed negativity and victim mentalities.
RE: "Sins of our fathers" Epigenetics-thread - Dmitry - 07-22-2016
Sarge
relax. Its quite opposite. We are NOT victims, indeed. Frankly, I thought it myself then first heard of it.Lets make things clear. Transgenerational issues puts some pressure on us and if we want to solve it we need MUCH more courage and efforts than those "motivational guru actions". Do you want to know why? Here is an answer: loyalty to our family. People die for this loyalty. They can have health issue, they can never create a family or give a life for a child FOR LOYALTY. They are dong it unconsciesly.
Most people will act and do everything just not to break the loyalty.
Okey...do you think Richard Branson is cool? Have you read his autobiography book? A read line- his mother, his grandfather. They are strong people. He has access to this power.
No victim attitude, quite opposite. We just searching for solution where it is.
No victim issues. We just looking for solutions where it is, and not where we want.
Okey, if you are loyal to a person in your family who is unfortunate - your life be not great. And releasing this loyalty will ask of you GREAT effort. If you can - you can be free. (Not about you, its a example).
We dont know details about Tony Robbins family, especially grand parents.
RE: "Sins of our fathers" Epigenetics-thread - SargeMaximus - 07-22-2016
(07-22-2016, 01:24 PM)Dmitry Wrote: Sarge
Lets make things clear. Transgenerational issues puts some pressure on us and if we want to solve it we need MUCH more courage and efforts than those "motivational guru actions". Do you want to know why? Here is an answer: loyalty to our family. People die for this loyalty. They can have health issue, they can never create a family or give a life for a child FOR LOYALTY. They are dong it unconsciesly.
Most people will act and do everything just not to break the loyalty.
Okey...do you think Richard Branson is cool? Have you read his autobiography book? A read line- his mother, his grandfather. They are strong people. He has access to this power.
No victim attitude, quite opposite. We just searching for solution where it is.
No victim issues. We just looking for solutions where it is, and not where we want.
Okey, if you are loyal to a person in your family who is unfortunate - your life be not great. And releasing this loyalty will ask of you GREAT effort. If you can - you can be free. (Not about you, its a example).
We dont know details about Tony Robbins family, especially grand parents.
It's kind of hard to understand your posts because of your english, but the overall message (I believe) is that we can do something about it. Great.
You speak of family and it's interesting because I have always been the black sheep. My family is very low-value and as I've improved they have more or less stopped associating with me (unless I make an effort) so I see how that can be.
However, I do not believe it is a matter of hereditary (inherited, genes etc) but more a matter of bonding and trying to remain as part of the faction.
My cousin (for example) is going through some major issues as he tries to break free without breaking free. I can see his loyalty to his family holding him back.
For me, I understand people more and know that you can bond with people without owing them your soul.
As for the rest (like getting good with women and etc) it's all just behaviors imo. Find out the right behaviors, and you'll be successful.
As for Tony Robins, we do know a bit about his grandparents because we know his parents who are offspring of his grandparents, isn't that how it works?
RE: "Sins of our fathers" Epigenetics-thread - Shawn - 07-22-2016
In general it can be said in the systemic work the balance is disturbed by something. And someone choose unconsciously to balance the energy. This for example can lead to the situation that the specific person doesn't get to their own life goals because the subconscious choose to go for a life goal an ancestor (which are not reachable). Of course this is just an example of an underlying problem. I am not an expert on this stuff but this is pretty much what I have been told from an systemic work practitioner. This can be solved through systemic work. Maybe it's also possible to do it through subs. I remember a post where Shannon said E2 could also clear such things. So who knows.
RE: "Sins of our fathers" Epigenetics-thread - Dmitry - 07-22-2016
Sarge, Mr. Anderson explained it perfectly. Its hard for me to explain it in English. Its a very complicated stuff indeed.
And its not about genes (imho) its about bonding, yes, and "hidden emotional inluence".
Everything can become an issue, including issues with women. For example, somebody who was succesful with women in your family (father, grand and grand-grand and so on) BUT DONE something terrible (killed someone or dropped a woman with a child, who knows) so... Even if you learn every right behaviour it will not work. Why? Because it is "illegal". Bam! Access Denied!
Iv got a similar issue, a,ready mentioned about it. Iv done everything to become popular with girls. And after solving the issues...it jst started to happen. Do you know about Logical levels of Robert Dilts. The hight levels affect the lower one.
Okey, behaviour is level 2 (level 1 is environment), level 3 capabilities, level 4 beliefs, level 5 identity. The level is mission or "something more". That exactly the level for intervention to occure. Before that - just actions are useless. Iv done Personal Power 30 days program 3 times before I understood that just actions is a waste of time. We must go higher.
RE: "Sins of our fathers" Epigenetics-thread - SargeMaximus - 07-22-2016
Well the only systemic work I've found online indicates group therapy with you and your family but that doesn't sound like what you guys are talking about. Got any links or anything so I can research for myself?
RE: "Sins of our fathers" Epigenetics-thread - Shawn - 07-22-2016
Try to google after "Family constellation". This should be the right english name for the therapy. Here is a link from Bernd Hellinger, but it's just a short description. But it must be said he did some sort of modified systemic work as far I can tell.
http://www.hellingerpa.com/constellation.shtml
RE: "Sins of our fathers" Epigenetics-thread - Dmitry - 07-23-2016
(07-22-2016, 03:20 PM)Mr. Anderson Wrote: Try to google after "Family constellation". This should be the right english name for the therapy. Here is a link from Bernd Hellinger, but it's just a short description. But it must be said he did some sort of modified systemic work as far I can tell.
http://www.hellingerpa.com/constellation.shtml
Yes, exactly. Family Constellations. Bert Hellinger creator of this method.
Additional techniques that proved effective with our cause (I practice them myself): Theta-Healing by Vianna Stibal, Matrix Energetics by Richard Bartlett.
Check this video, its about a Family Constellations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNj86cp3z24
RE: "Sins of our fathers" Epigenetics-thread - JackOfHearts - 07-23-2016
I do think there are genes we inherited from our ancestor but it's a lot more complex than that, it goes back to 7 generation, and you can pick the bad or good in it depending on you.
Sarge you are not force to be like your family though. This is just a part of the whole but still an important part.
But depending on what you inherited from your ancestors you may be better or worse than your family. For example I never understood why my brother seems so much less intelligent than me, less shiny, less confident, less the center of attention than me. Until I found some esoteric method to describe the part of our DNA we got from our ancestor. It's related to karma or bad karma we got. If you want to know more about that ask in the astrology thread, I think this method is accurate until now I only found good results with it.
RE: "Sins of our fathers" Epigenetics-thread - koshas - 07-23-2016
I have to agree with the Epigenetics . There is a lot of info out there on Epigenetics.
i have some life long issues that were cleared by subs.i also had a pretty dysfunctional childhood. I have also tried all kinds of therapies and other personal devopment things. With varying levels of success .
Things can be passes down through Epigenetic overlay generationally . And can be cleared. Tony Robbins and many others have cleared these things by doing lots of work on themselves. Nlp , numerous other modalities. To clear things out.
RE: "Sins of our fathers" Epigenetics-thread - Dmitry - 07-24-2016
More on Family Constellations and systemic issues:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/90488136/Family%20Constellations_%20A%20Practi%20-%20Joy%20Manne%2C%20Ph.D.%3B%20Foreword%20by%20B.pdf
RE: "Sins of our fathers" Epigenetics-thread - Dmitry - 07-24-2016
(07-23-2016, 01:56 PM)yeah! Wrote:(07-23-2016, 01:20 AM)Dmitry Wrote: Yes, exactly. Family Constellations. Bert Hellinger creator of this method.
Additional techniques that proved effective with our cause (I practice them myself): Theta-Healing by Vianna Stibal, Matrix Energetics by Richard Bartlett.
Check this video, its about a Family Constellations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNj86cp3z24
Hey Dmitry
I am interested in The Martix Energetics particularly to try and go back and fix my Tinnitus.
What is the best way to go about this, is this book here enough to learn it https://www.amazon.com/dp/1591796776/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3/156-8800572-5006229?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_r=Q4W78BNCGWJ1E7RJR2EJ&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=1944687502&pf_rd_i=1582702381
or would there be an easier, cheaper way? Do you recommend any practitioner personally if this is the best way? Or is the other method you speak of more functional for this
Thank you.
Physics of Miracles - Matrix Energetics - Richard Bartlett. Take a look.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/90488136/Physics_of_Miracles%20by%20Richard%20Bartlett.epub
Theta-healing by Vianna Stibal (believe me - EFT and PTSEC are kindergarden toys as compared to it.) Btw, it deals with systemic, ancestral issues.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/90488136/Vianna%20Stibal%20-%20Theta%20Healing.pdf
RE: "Sins of our fathers" Epigenetics-thread - Benjamin - 07-24-2016
Guys keep astrology talk to the astrology thread.