(04-30-2020, 03:08 PM)Zubrowka Wrote: Shannon, what is the difference between being a dominant man and dominating other people?

(04-30-2020, 03:09 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: Shannon: "Which can be further reduced to survival/fear of death."

And yet people say I'm "projecting" when I say that people around me tend to have a fear of death they need to sort through.

(04-30-2020, 04:05 PM)CatMan Wrote: Not to hijack Shannon, but that reminds me of my situation with girls.

DMSI/you are saying Point Z is possible, where girls around me that I'm very attracted to, CAN be not only very sexually attracted to me after all somehow, but then proceed to drive the interaction instead of me tending to feel like I'm driving it to boot, and that they can aggressively pursue me to have sex with them. To me, a 38 year old virgin who hasn't dated a girl or kissed one before, this seems so extreme, it's so difficult, if not impossible, for me to truly get behind at least initially. It's just way too much to wrap my head around as being possible from this level is all. I think that is the biggest stumbling block, probably more so than fear. That it just seems so far out of the realm of my reality, girls I am attracted to, actually liking me and valuing me as a REAL option to them beyond some friend zone BS as usual, and somehow chasing me to have sex. The whole concept of that seems so impossible and unrealistic for me. Coming from my position, it seems so ludicrous, so it's very hard to internalise. The self esteem and self worth, self validation are always at such a low level due to this lack of success with girls. There's almost no positive, tangible, reliable feedback to those 3 things and help them grow. So, it's a sense of always feeling bogged down, chasing fumes of those 3 things, and never making progress with girls, and always feeling beneath them and that they're out of my reach. Which of course makes the design goal "Point Z" even more distant from my reality.

I think it may be so hard to imagine, because the only thing I have to go off of, is either movies or tv shows, showing attractive girls chasing guys for sex. I literally don't have any of those kinds of experiences to draw off of. It's sad...but true. But even then, it's still a third-person experience, so I really have no frame of reference for such a concept. I've seen girls do that for other guys over time, so I DO know what it looks like, but again, it's third-person. Girls just don't act that way for ME, I'm just not that "hot bad boy guy" they drool for, so I just have no idea what it feels like. Being in such a deep drought for my life with girls, being the "amazing great guy (that they aren't attracted to)" and essentially only having hugs with them my whole life (again, pathetic but it's real talk...), seeing something so far out of my furthest point of reality, is very hard to get behind I think.

So, piggybacking off your previous post and concept, how can the sub take someone from such a low level of aptitude and understanding and even belief in it's premise, to fully achieving the goal of said program? I know it may naturally not be reality yet in a sub of course. I just mean, conceptually, how can that be achieved in a sub? Or rather, CAN that be achieved? Perhaps it is just too far of a leap, which I can respect if so.

Just trying to allow a window into my thought process etc. in the hopes that something of value can be gleamed since FRM/DMSI work is ongoing now. I have no intention of an argument or debate, I just wanted to open up a window for R&D sake.

Thank you for everything, Shannon. I look forward to the next installment of both FRM and DMSI.

EDIT: Perhaps it the next version doesn't result in a large change in results for many, the "dam breaking" like you say, it might be worth it to explore another option. I saw your post about a "stage 0" for AM7, great idea. A step up stage, to prepare people for the program. That might be a good idea here. Maybe it's just too much of an ask for some of us initially I guess, unfortunately. Hopefully not, one stage is best, but in the end, that's a solid option, better than nothing.

(04-30-2020, 03:35 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(04-30-2020, 03:09 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: Shannon: "Which can be further reduced to survival/fear of death."

And yet people say I'm "projecting" when I say that people around me tend to have a fear of death they need to sort through.

You are going too far too fast.  When you introduce an idea, people will accept it if they can see the steps that lead from what they understand to what the idea being presented is.  If they cannot see how we got from Point A to Point Z, they will tend to reject it and seek an explanation for why it was presented which also defends their conclusion.

As an example, most people who have not been following my work for a long time would look at some of the things I claim to be doing with my subliminals (TID causing effects before the program is used, auric shields, powering up the immune system, etc.) and just laugh and claim I am a crackpot and crazy for even suggesting such things.  It's bad enough that most of the world has never heard of subliminals, and the majority who have think they don't work because in the 1950's someone made up some shit to get attention, and because the people doing research studies on the topic didn't understand the topic well enough to do research studies that answered their questions, or even to correctly interpret the results in some cases, and in others, they created studies designed to show what they wanted the study to show.

Now you take someone like that and tell them my subliminals can do things like create results before the subliminal is even used in some cases, or create an auric shield, or power up your immune system and make it more effective, or alter a person's brain chemistry or state of awareness or hormone balance, etc. etc. and they're just going to laugh and claim you're a crackpot because they cannot follow you from Point A to Point Z.  Their understanding is from Point A to Point B, and Point Z is just too much of a jump from what they currently understand to what is being said.  They don't understand it, they don't follow how it is possible, and they tend to assume that because they don't understand how it is possible, that it isn't.  When they conclude that it isn't they seek to justify that conclusion by explaining why the assertion (Point Z) was made in the first place, and to do that they tend to try to discredit the person making the assertion, so their conclusion holds water.  If the person asserting Point Z is crazy, a crackpot, a scammer, just in it for the money, delusional, etc. then they have an easy way to simply dismiss what is being said, and maintain/defend their safe and comfortable point of view.

It's the same with you and them claiming you are projecting.  That's a form of labeling you a crackpot, wrong, ignorant, whatever, to defend their conclusion and their understanding, because you didn't lay out and explain the steps for how they can follow you logically to that conclusion.

(04-30-2020, 06:39 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote:

(04-30-2020, 03:35 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(04-30-2020, 03:09 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: Shannon: "Which can be further reduced to survival/fear of death."

And yet people say I'm "projecting" when I say that people around me tend to have a fear of death they need to sort through.

You are going too far too fast.  When you introduce an idea, people will accept it if they can see the steps that lead from what they understand to what the idea being presented is.  If they cannot see how we got from Point A to Point Z, they will tend to reject it and seek an explanation for why it was presented which also defends their conclusion.

As an example, most people who have not been following my work for a long time would look at some of the things I claim to be doing with my subliminals (TID causing effects before the program is used, auric shields, powering up the immune system, etc.) and just laugh and claim I am a crackpot and crazy for even suggesting such things.  It's bad enough that most of the world has never heard of subliminals, and the majority who have think they don't work because in the 1950's someone made up some shit to get attention, and because the people doing research studies on the topic didn't understand the topic well enough to do research studies that answered their questions, or even to correctly interpret the results in some cases, and in others, they created studies designed to show what they wanted the study to show.

Now you take someone like that and tell them my subliminals can do things like create results before the subliminal is even used in some cases, or create an auric shield, or power up your immune system and make it more effective, or alter a person's brain chemistry or state of awareness or hormone balance, etc. etc. and they're just going to laugh and claim you're a crackpot because they cannot follow you from Point A to Point Z.  Their understanding is from Point A to Point B, and Point Z is just too much of a jump from what they currently understand to what is being said.  They don't understand it, they don't follow how it is possible, and they tend to assume that because they don't understand how it is possible, that it isn't.  When they conclude that it isn't they seek to justify that conclusion by explaining why the assertion (Point Z) was made in the first place, and to do that they tend to try to discredit the person making the assertion, so their conclusion holds water.  If the person asserting Point Z is crazy, a crackpot, a scammer, just in it for the money, delusional, etc. then they have an easy way to simply dismiss what is being said, and maintain/defend their safe and comfortable point of view.

It's the same with you and them claiming you are projecting.  That's a form of labeling you a crackpot, wrong, ignorant, whatever, to defend their conclusion and their understanding, because you didn't lay out and explain the steps for how they can follow you logically to that conclusion.

That makes a lot of sense. I forget that what I've learned is a result of taking the necessary steps to learn it. I was a "skeptic" once myself who instantly wrote off stuff like what I'm saying, but then seeking answers to certain problems lead me to learn steps B through Y because I was interested in learning them, and that lead to getting to Z, so to speak. Many people are uninterested in leaving point A, so they won't be interested in learning how one even comes to the conslusion of point Z unless they've had point B spoonfed to them without asking first, and even then, they are likely to ignore it or not care in quite a few cases. It is simply not where they are at at the CURRENT time. Their awareness is focused on other things. Mine is not so different. IT is focused on certain things, and probably not interested in points beyond point A in other subjects. WE're all at where we're at in our development, and that development ma involve different areas of interest entirely. Thanks for pointing that out.

(04-30-2020, 04:05 PM)CatMan Wrote: Not to hijack Shannon, but that reminds me of my situation with girls.

DMSI/you are saying Point Z is possible, where girls around me that I'm very attracted to, CAN be not only very sexually attracted to me after all somehow, but then proceed to drive the interaction instead of me tending to feel like I'm driving it to boot, and that they can aggressively pursue me to have sex with them. To me, a 38 year old virgin who hasn't dated a girl or kissed one before, this seems so extreme, it's so difficult, if not impossible, for me to truly get behind at least initially. It's just way too much to wrap my head around as being possible from this level is all. I think that is the biggest stumbling block, probably more so than fear. That it just seems so far out of the realm of my reality, girls I am attracted to, actually liking me and valuing me as a REAL option to them beyond some friend zone BS as usual, and somehow chasing me to have sex. The whole concept of that seems so impossible and unrealistic for me. Coming from my position, it seems so ludicrous, so it's very hard to internalise. The self esteem and self worth, self validation are always at such a low level due to this lack of success with girls. There's almost no positive, tangible, reliable feedback to those 3 things and help them grow. So, it's a sense of always feeling bogged down, chasing fumes of those 3 things, and never making progress with girls, and always feeling beneath them and that they're out of my reach. Which of course makes the design goal "Point Z" even more distant from my reality.

I think it may be so hard to imagine, because the only thing I have to go off of, is either movies or tv shows, showing attractive girls chasing guys for sex. I literally don't have any of those kinds of experiences to draw off of. It's sad...but true. But even then, it's still a third-person experience, so I really have no frame of reference for such a concept. I've seen girls do that for other guys over time, so I DO know what it looks like, but again, it's third-person. Girls just don't act that way for ME, I'm just not that "hot bad boy guy" they drool for, so I just have no idea what it feels like. Being in such a deep drought for my life with girls, being the "amazing great guy (that they aren't attracted to)" and essentially only having hugs with them my whole life (again, pathetic but it's real talk...), seeing something so far out of my furthest point of reality, is very hard to get behind I think.

So, piggybacking off your previous post and concept, how can the sub take someone from such a low level of aptitude and understanding and even belief in it's premise, to fully achieving the goal of said program? I know it may naturally not be reality yet in a sub of course. I just mean, conceptually, how can that be achieved in a sub? Or rather, CAN that be achieved? Perhaps it is just too far of a leap, which I can respect if so.

Just trying to allow a window into my thought process etc. in the hopes that something of value can be gleamed since FRM/DMSI work is ongoing now. I have no intention of an argument or debate, I just wanted to open up a window for R&D sake.

Thank you for everything, Shannon. I look forward to the next installment of both FRM and DMSI.

EDIT: Perhaps it the next version doesn't result in a large change in results for many, the "dam breaking" like you say, it might be worth it to explore another option. I saw your post about a "stage 0" for AM7, great idea. A step up stage, to prepare people for the program. That might be a good idea here. Maybe it's just too much of an ask for some of us initially I guess, unfortunately. Hopefully not, one stage is best, but in the end, that's a solid option, better than nothing.