(11-11-2024, 06:30 PM)NOMAD Wrote:

(11-11-2024, 10:07 AM)Shannon Wrote: Thank you for the feedback.  Is there anything else you can share about whata you've noted from PM, or in response to it?

The first thing I noticed about the sub is that it felt really mellow to me, kind of like Maverick did. That stands in stark contrast to US which had a stimulating effect. My stress levels dropped immediately. The next thing I noticed is that I felt a kinship with other men. Then I began to notice deference from other men. Then I began to notice hints of intimidation from other men. Then I noticed that I was walking more upright, shoulders back, chin up. Then I began to notice that I was taking up more space. At some point within the last 2 weeks, I began to want other men to challenge me so I could beat them at whatever I was being challenged on.

Other notables are that I started getting acne on my face and back within a week or two of beginning. Also, my scent changed. I began to stink more, especially my feet and armpits. One morning, I woke up with an 8 out of 10 morning wood which is something that hasn't happened in a while. I've been working out regularly mainly because I want my physical conditioning to match my mindset. In one of my offline journal entries, I noted that I want to forge myself into something "weapon-like" on a mental, physical, and emotional level. I don't mean that in the sense of violence. I mean it in the sense of Spartan-like discipline. I also noted that it's "stoking my inner badass". It feels good. Really good.

Here's a quote from my offline journal which really sums it up: "Part of me is wondering if I'll even WANT to run AM7."

Shannon Wrote:I have determined that the volume of 4/15 on an Android cell phone through it's speakers, or 5/16 on an iPhone through it's speakers, or 8/30 on a Google phone with 30 clicks of volume, through it's speakers, is also very useful for SARM v2.1-B.

(11-12-2024, 03:17 PM)papagani24 Wrote:

(11-11-2024, 06:30 PM)NOMAD Wrote: The first thing I noticed about the sub is that it felt really mellow to me, kind of like Maverick did. That stands in stark contrast to US which had a stimulating effect. My stress levels dropped immediately. The next thing I noticed is that I felt a kinship with other men. Then I began to notice deference from other men. Then I began to notice hints of intimidation from other men. Then I noticed that I was walking more upright, shoulders back, chin up. Then I began to notice that I was taking up more space. At some point within the last 2 weeks, I began to want other men to challenge me so I could beat them at whatever I was being challenged on.

Other notables are that I started getting acne on my face and back within a week or two of beginning. Also, my scent changed. I began to stink more, especially my feet and armpits. One morning, I woke up with an 8 out of 10 morning wood which is something that hasn't happened in a while. I've been working out regularly mainly because I want my physical conditioning to match my mindset. In one of my offline journal entries, I noted that I want to forge myself into something "weapon-like" on a mental, physical, and emotional level. I don't mean that in the sense of violence. I mean it in the sense of Spartan-like discipline. I also noted that it's "stoking my inner badass". It feels good. Really good.

Here's a quote from my offline journal which really sums it up: "Part of me is wondering if I'll even WANT to run AM7."

First of all, I don't have Maverick experience, I can't comment on this part. Also, I haven't used this sub as regularly and as long as you have. I used PM regularly for about 3 weeks. It reduces stress levels significantly, I would describe it as 'peace of mind'. I agree 100% about getting respect from other men, there is definitely something like that. I also agree with the other things you said, I had these effects too, even though I only used it regularly for 2 and a half to 3 weeks. And then when I went back and listened to it from time to time, the effects would come back immediately.
As an example of what PM does, I was recently on DMSI and DMSI had made my life a chaos. But when I ran PM, I could clearly feel it picking up my life or encouraging me to pick it up and be better. I don't know if it's because it's 5.11g, although the programs and goals are different, but PM is really much more powerful than DMSI in terms of achieving its goals. Maybe it has something to do with the complexity of the programs, I don't know, but even PM's recommended 1 hour of listening gives serious results. I'm not trying to compare two different programs, I'm just giving an example because these are the sub's I've tried recently.

In general, PM is a very successful program in my opinion, although not many people post about it in the forum.

Quote:As an example of what PM does, I was recently on DMSI and DMSI had made my life a chaos. But when I ran PM, I could clearly feel it picking up my life or encouraging me to pick it up and be better. I don't know if it's because it's 5.11g, although the programs and goals are different, but PM is really much more powerful than DMSI in terms of achieving its goals. Maybe it has something to do with the complexity of the programs, I don't know, but even PM's recommended 1 hour of listening gives serious results. I'm not trying to compare two different programs, I'm just giving an example because these are the sub's I've tried recently.

(11-12-2024, 05:26 PM)Benjamin Wrote:

(11-12-2024, 03:17 PM)papagani24 Wrote: First of all, I don't have Maverick experience, I can't comment on this part. Also, I haven't used this sub as regularly and as long as you have. I used PM regularly for about 3 weeks. It reduces stress levels significantly, I would describe it as 'peace of mind'. I agree 100% about getting respect from other men, there is definitely something like that. I also agree with the other things you said, I had these effects too, even though I only used it regularly for 2 and a half to 3 weeks. And then when I went back and listened to it from time to time, the effects would come back immediately.
As an example of what PM does, I was recently on DMSI and DMSI had made my life a chaos. But when I ran PM, I could clearly feel it picking up my life or encouraging me to pick it up and be better. I don't know if it's because it's 5.11g, although the programs and goals are different, but PM is really much more powerful than DMSI in terms of achieving its goals. Maybe it has something to do with the complexity of the programs, I don't know, but even PM's recommended 1 hour of listening gives serious results. I'm not trying to compare two different programs, I'm just giving an example because these are the sub's I've tried recently.

In general, PM is a very successful program in my opinion, although not many people post about it in the forum.

Thanks for the awesome feedback on Primal Masculinity, do you guys mind if I use those in the testimonial section?

Really I love the feedback the most for myself as it will be my next program, but i'm sure others are looking for feedback on it too.

Quote:As an example of what PM does, I was recently on DMSI and DMSI had made my life a chaos. But when I ran PM, I could clearly feel it picking up my life or encouraging me to pick it up and be better. I don't know if it's because it's 5.11g, although the programs and goals are different, but PM is really much more powerful than DMSI in terms of achieving its goals. Maybe it has something to do with the complexity of the programs, I don't know, but even PM's recommended 1 hour of listening gives serious results. I'm not trying to compare two different programs, I'm just giving an example because these are the sub's I've tried recently.

Could it be a difference between the focus on women and sex which I know as well as anyone can throw us off, distract us and make us very frustrated at times as opposed to the focus on yourself and your core with Primal Masculinity?

Like if you wanted to have a 'foundation' for meeting women (such as with AM6 and SM/WM) the stuff you guys are reporting would be a great foundation for it.

The difficulty can be (maybe not for everyone, but for me) is to stop being continually drawn in and drawn back to just wanting to meet women as opposed to working on other things and the focus on the self.

I miss the old discussions around Masculinity and such we used to have here, with guys who actually were experienced and know what they are talking about which then was sadly replaced with literal virgins writing novels of nonsense 'advice' on how to meet women (ridiculous) and now just not much at all.

(11-12-2024, 03:18 PM)Have at ye Wrote:

Shannon Wrote:I have determined that the volume of 4/15 on an Android cell phone through it's speakers, or 5/16 on an iPhone through it's speakers, or 8/30 on a Google phone with 30 clicks of volume, through it's speakers, is also very useful for SARM v2.1-B.

What situations would you recommend this particular volume for? Thanks!

(11-12-2024, 09:22 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote:

(11-12-2024, 05:26 PM)Benjamin Wrote: Thanks for the awesome feedback on Primal Masculinity, do you guys mind if I use those in the testimonial section?

Really I love the feedback the most for myself as it will be my next program, but i'm sure others are looking for feedback on it too.


Could it be a difference between the focus on women and sex which I know as well as anyone can throw us off, distract us and make us very frustrated at times as opposed to the focus on yourself and your core with Primal Masculinity?

Like if you wanted to have a 'foundation' for meeting women (such as with AM6 and SM/WM) the stuff you guys are reporting would be a great foundation for it.

The difficulty can be (maybe not for everyone, but for me) is to stop being continually drawn in and drawn back to just wanting to meet women as opposed to working on other things and the focus on the self.

I miss the old discussions around Masculinity and such we used to have here, with guys who actually were experienced and know what they are talking about which then was sadly replaced with literal virgins writing novels of nonsense 'advice' on how to meet women (ridiculous) and now just not much at all.

I feel like that's what DMSI is doing to me and I'm not even getting laid off it yet. It's because of how the focus is on sex (like you pointed out) and now the disconnect between my already strong desires that have only gotten wayy stronger lately and the way things are, mixed with the internal conflict between my deep dark sexual desires and my at least equally deep romantic and wholesome ones is all making me feel pretty exhausted from my own internal issues. 


I think that's affecting my results. Other things are too, like using substances during my vacation recently that negatively affect the energy flooding process and masturbating, but I realize the occasional masturbation is partially due to the deep internal conflict and the frustration of these issues. I'm sure the process of using DMSI is working on all those issues on some level in order to help execute the program, but I realize there's been some self sabotage lately. 

I'm done with my vacay and done with consuming things that negatively affect my energy buildup and auric sniping with the program, but while I have greatly reduced masturbation since using this program (and completely stopped watching porn) I still have these internal issues I need to work through before the program majorly executes. Damn I do want to FEEL THOUGH the way executing the program successfully WOULD make me feel, but I got a lot of internal blockages I need to clear to do that. It's gonna take a bit, I think. 

Is DMSI working? Or did I make a mistake buying it without enough ground work done on myself?

(11-12-2024, 03:17 PM)papagani24 Wrote:

(11-11-2024, 06:30 PM)NOMAD Wrote: The first thing I noticed about the sub is that it felt really mellow to me, kind of like Maverick did. That stands in stark contrast to US which had a stimulating effect. My stress levels dropped immediately. The next thing I noticed is that I felt a kinship with other men. Then I began to notice deference from other men. Then I began to notice hints of intimidation from other men. Then I noticed that I was walking more upright, shoulders back, chin up. Then I began to notice that I was taking up more space. At some point within the last 2 weeks, I began to want other men to challenge me so I could beat them at whatever I was being challenged on.

Other notables are that I started getting acne on my face and back within a week or two of beginning. Also, my scent changed. I began to stink more, especially my feet and armpits. One morning, I woke up with an 8 out of 10 morning wood which is something that hasn't happened in a while. I've been working out regularly mainly because I want my physical conditioning to match my mindset. In one of my offline journal entries, I noted that I want to forge myself into something "weapon-like" on a mental, physical, and emotional level. I don't mean that in the sense of violence. I mean it in the sense of Spartan-like discipline. I also noted that it's "stoking my inner badass". It feels good. Really good.

Here's a quote from my offline journal which really sums it up: "Part of me is wondering if I'll even WANT to run AM7."

First of all, I don't have Maverick experience, I can't comment on this part. Also, I haven't used this sub as regularly and as long as you have. I used PM regularly for about 3 weeks. It reduces stress levels significantly, I would describe it as 'peace of mind'. I agree 100% about getting respect from other men, there is definitely something like that. I also agree with the other things you said, I had these effects too, even though I only used it regularly for 2 and a half to 3 weeks. And then when I went back and listened to it from time to time, the effects would come back immediately.
As an example of what PM does, I was recently on DMSI and DMSI had made my life a chaos. But when I ran PM, I could clearly feel it picking up my life or encouraging me to pick it up and be better. I don't know if it's because it's 5.11g, although the programs and goals are different, but PM is really much more powerful than DMSI in terms of achieving its goals. Maybe it has something to do with the complexity of the programs, I don't know, but even PM's recommended 1 hour of listening gives serious results. I'm not trying to compare two different programs, I'm just giving an example because these are the sub's I've tried recently.

In general, PM is a very successful program in my opinion, although not many people post about it in the forum.

(11-12-2024, 09:38 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(11-12-2024, 09:22 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: I feel like that's what DMSI is doing to me and I'm not even getting laid off it yet. It's because of how the focus is on sex (like you pointed out) and now the disconnect between my already strong desires that have only gotten wayy stronger lately and the way things are, mixed with the internal conflict between my deep dark sexual desires and my at least equally deep romantic and wholesome ones is all making me feel pretty exhausted from my own internal issues. 


I think that's affecting my results. Other things are too, like using substances during my vacation recently that negatively affect the energy flooding process and masturbating, but I realize the occasional masturbation is partially due to the deep internal conflict and the frustration of these issues. I'm sure the process of using DMSI is working on all those issues on some level in order to help execute the program, but I realize there's been some self sabotage lately. 

I'm done with my vacay and done with consuming things that negatively affect my energy buildup and auric sniping with the program, but while I have greatly reduced masturbation since using this program (and completely stopped watching porn) I still have these internal issues I need to work through before the program majorly executes. Damn I do want to FEEL THOUGH the way executing the program successfully WOULD make me feel, but I got a lot of internal blockages I need to clear to do that. It's gonna take a bit, I think. 

Is DMSI working? Or did I make a mistake buying it without enough ground work done on myself?

If it wasn't working, would there be any noticeable thing happening in response to using it?  Of course it's working.  The issue is that you are getting the famous DMSI resistance. 

Some guys find they work through it over the course of a few months or so, and some get stuck. 

If you get stuck, then when you're done with your run-through, take some time to work on yourself.  EHPRA, OGSF, etc. are good choices.  And you might find that PM is interesting as well.

(11-12-2024, 05:26 PM)Benjamin Wrote:

(11-12-2024, 03:17 PM)papagani24 Wrote: First of all, I don't have Maverick experience, I can't comment on this part. Also, I haven't used this sub as regularly and as long as you have. I used PM regularly for about 3 weeks. It reduces stress levels significantly, I would describe it as 'peace of mind'. I agree 100% about getting respect from other men, there is definitely something like that. I also agree with the other things you said, I had these effects too, even though I only used it regularly for 2 and a half to 3 weeks. And then when I went back and listened to it from time to time, the effects would come back immediately.
As an example of what PM does, I was recently on DMSI and DMSI had made my life a chaos. But when I ran PM, I could clearly feel it picking up my life or encouraging me to pick it up and be better. I don't know if it's because it's 5.11g, although the programs and goals are different, but PM is really much more powerful than DMSI in terms of achieving its goals. Maybe it has something to do with the complexity of the programs, I don't know, but even PM's recommended 1 hour of listening gives serious results. I'm not trying to compare two different programs, I'm just giving an example because these are the sub's I've tried recently.

In general, PM is a very successful program in my opinion, although not many people post about it in the forum.

Thanks for the awesome feedback on Primal Masculinity, do you guys mind if I use those in the testimonial section?

Really I love the feedback the most for myself as it will be my next program, but i'm sure others are looking for feedback on it too.

Quote:As an example of what PM does, I was recently on DMSI and DMSI had made my life a chaos. But when I ran PM, I could clearly feel it picking up my life or encouraging me to pick it up and be better. I don't know if it's because it's 5.11g, although the programs and goals are different, but PM is really much more powerful than DMSI in terms of achieving its goals. Maybe it has something to do with the complexity of the programs, I don't know, but even PM's recommended 1 hour of listening gives serious results. I'm not trying to compare two different programs, I'm just giving an example because these are the sub's I've tried recently.

Could it be a difference between the focus on women and sex which I know as well as anyone can throw us off, distract us and make us very frustrated at times as opposed to the focus on yourself and your core with Primal Masculinity?

Like if you wanted to have a 'foundation' for meeting women (such as with AM6 and SM/WM) the stuff you guys are reporting would be a great foundation for it.

The difficulty can be (maybe not for everyone, but for me) is to stop being continually drawn in and drawn back to just wanting to meet women as opposed to working on other things and the focus on the self.

I miss the old discussions around Masculinity and such we used to have here, with guys who actually were experienced and know what they are talking about which then was sadly replaced with literal virgins writing novels of nonsense 'advice' on how to meet women (ridiculous) and now just not much at all.

(11-12-2024, 05:26 PM)Benjamin Wrote: ... do you guys mind if I use those in the testimonial section?

(11-13-2024, 03:06 PM)papagani24 Wrote:

(11-12-2024, 05:26 PM)Benjamin Wrote: Thanks for the awesome feedback on Primal Masculinity, do you guys mind if I use those in the testimonial section?

Really I love the feedback the most for myself as it will be my next program, but i'm sure others are looking for feedback on it too.


Could it be a difference between the focus on women and sex which I know as well as anyone can throw us off, distract us and make us very frustrated at times as opposed to the focus on yourself and your core with Primal Masculinity?

Like if you wanted to have a 'foundation' for meeting women (such as with AM6 and SM/WM) the stuff you guys are reporting would be a great foundation for it.

The difficulty can be (maybe not for everyone, but for me) is to stop being continually drawn in and drawn back to just wanting to meet women as opposed to working on other things and the focus on the self.

I miss the old discussions around Masculinity and such we used to have here, with guys who actually were experienced and know what they are talking about which then was sadly replaced with literal virgins writing novels of nonsense 'advice' on how to meet women (ridiculous) and now just not much at all.

First of all, you can share my feedback, this is exactly what I got from PM even though I used it for a short time. Now that I'm impressed with the 5.11g technology, I wanted to give the X4A-1511 a chance, because I know I can go back to PM whenever I want and I'm sure it will work.

On the other hand, if the goal is really 'focusing yourself' first, I think PM is very good for that. For example, I had a small amount of debt and I was actually in a position to pay it off, but I kept putting it off, but after using PM, especially when the program got a little bit stronger, the urge to save a little bit and pay it off became stronger. Of course, I can't say that PM did everything that happened in my life, but I think there is a trait (or mentality) that the program gave me, such as 'getting your priorities right'. NOMAD may have a better idea about this since he used it for longer.

Finally, I have never used AM6. I found the long listening times to be a deterrent - especially after seeing such an effect with 5.11g even with 1 hour of listening - but I am sure it is a good program. I have said something similar before, I think that a program like DMSI requires some self-knowledge and experience. Despite my limited experience, I would not be wrong if I said that PM will have a different and interesting self-knowledge journey with long term use (as much time as recommended).


@Shannon 
As I said, I'm listening to X4A-1511 right now. Honestly, even 1 hour of listening as suggested has started to have a serious effect on me, even though I've only been listening for 2 days. I don't know the technology part of it as much as you do, but the effect of PM and X4A on me in just 1 hour of listening is as effective as the effect of DMSI in 5-6 loops, or even more effective, and the process runs much smoother and most importantly I can feel it. Of course, there may be many factors here, such as the difference between the programs, maybe my resistance to certain programs and so on. I think that the new generation of technology will make DMSI work quite successfully even in people who are resistant to it, just based on the feeling and real life differences. However, my opinion may be wrong, I am still new and I have less experience with sub's than others. I'm just giving my honest feedback. Also, if you are interested, I can give you a feedback on the X4A-1511 after a period of regular use.

(11-12-2024, 10:35 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote:

(11-12-2024, 09:38 PM)Shannon Wrote: If it wasn't working, would there be any noticeable thing happening in response to using it?  Of course it's working.  The issue is that you are getting the famous DMSI resistance. 

Some guys find they work through it over the course of a few months or so, and some get stuck. 

If you get stuck, then when you're done with your run-through, take some time to work on yourself.  EHPRA, OGSF, etc. are good choices.  And you might find that PM is interesting as well.

Well thanks. I guess that's what I meant. I'm wondering if I will get over the resistance or if I hadn't done enough work on myself yet, then I secretly wonder if that thought in and of itself is just more resistance the go cleverly devised to make me quit the program. I'ma stick with it. If I started it on October 8th and it tends to take most men a few months to get past the resistance, I guess we'll see where I am with the program by January 8th.

What will some of the signs be that I'm making good enough progress with it to stay on? You know, outside of the obvious signs, like sniping a hot girl so hard I get laid cuz of it?

Like, what are some of the more internal signs I'm breaking through the resistance?

(11-14-2024, 04:21 PM)Sky Wrote: @Shannon Will running primal masculinity right after AM6 be an issue? I'm on Stage 6 of AM6. Or should I wait two weeks for the bloom?