(09-19-2018, 11:42 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 11:07 AM)Greenduck Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 05:10 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-18-2018, 10:11 PM)Greenduck Wrote: Just curious: is there a script in DMSI that prevent for exemple a friends girlfriend to make a move (If in find her attractive that will say)? That would otherwise be a great way to avoid awkward situations...

No. Not even the anti-sniper will currently do that. Although I could set up the AS to do that. But first, do we really want the anti-sniper or not? Those who don't want it are convinced it is responsible for reducing the program effectiveness. The rest are convinced it saves them from all sorts of nasty situations.

The guys who blame it sounds like guys who blame stuff.

On the other hand the guys who want it sound like they are too fearful.

(09-19-2018, 11:51 AM)Mr. Anderson Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 06:21 AM)Roy Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 05:58 AM)Kol Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 05:43 AM)Have at ye Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 05:10 AM)Shannon Wrote: No. Not even the anti-sniper will currently do that. Although I could set up the AS to do that. But first, do we really want the anti-sniper or not? Those who don't want it are convinced it is responsible for reducing the program effectiveness. The rest are convinced it saves them from all sorts of nasty situations.

I used to be a proponent of the anti-sniper, because I could see it work on ver. 3.1, but now I'm no longer - and it's not due to the fact that it would decrease the program's efficiency (it didn't).

I simply believe it to be unnecessary, given all the other safeties in place.

Also, when a person would have been affected by the AS heavily enough - and it's not turned on - they're only going to get the baseline anyway - and in case of any unwanted attention, I can deal with that on my own well enough (and so does anybody else, for that matter), I think.

Pretty much this. It makes life more exciting and "forces" you to be responsible yourself. Like now im feeling everyone being attracted to me. Also, the gf of a friend of mine is showing increasing IOIs, starstruck trance moments. I just dont do anything with her, because idgaf if something happens or not.

It might be also one of the reasons I feel DMSI 3.2 is stronger.

Getting STDs and rape charges doesn't make life exciting.Dealing with insane women doesn't make life better.Anti sniper is for extreme cases.

^^This. I have been for a while with a girl on chat who said she separated from her bf. But two days ago she sounded like there have been somehow together (again?). And somehow she said he has been very jealous and stuff and wanted my contact details and she gave him. Well, I didn't hear from that guy (maybe USLM saved me, lol) and I don't know what will happen but THAT is some of the situations I would like an anti-sniper for. Only for extreme cases, not this unhappiness stuff which was well meant but too vague and would probably lead to everyone inexperienced to some degrading results.

(09-19-2018, 02:30 PM)mat422 Wrote: I see the AS as preemptive. Imagine there's a girl who's manipulative, wants to string you along or just generally give you a hard time. Would you really rather go through all that then realize she sucks vs just not even having to deal with it? I get it, if you're alpha you can deal with it, but why would you? Unless you're willing to go through all that crap just to have sex. What if the end result was always a crappy time regardless of what you did?

But I generally agree with leaving it out until everyone is executing fully. We've seen the creative liberties the subconscious has made in the past. But I think as a concept the AS is good. Some people are really good at hiding their intentions no matter how perceptive you think you are and it only becomes apparent once you're sucked into their crap.

(09-19-2018, 05:43 AM)Have at ye Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 05:10 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-18-2018, 10:11 PM)Greenduck Wrote: Just curious: is there a script in DMSI that prevent for exemple a friends girlfriend to make a move (If in find her attractive that will say)? That would otherwise be a great way to avoid awkward situations...

No. Not even the anti-sniper will currently do that. Although I could set up the AS to do that. But first, do we really want the anti-sniper or not? Those who don't want it are convinced it is responsible for reducing the program effectiveness. The rest are convinced it saves them from all sorts of nasty situations.

I used to be a proponent of the anti-sniper, because I could see it work on ver. 3.1, but now I'm no longer - and it's not due to the fact that it would decrease the program's efficiency (it didn't).

I simply believe it to be unnecessary, given all the other safeties in place.

Also, when a person would have been affected by the AS heavily enough - and it's not turned on - they're only going to get the baseline anyway - and in case of any unwanted attention, I can deal with that on my own well enough (and so does anybody else, for that matter), I think.

(09-19-2018, 10:29 AM)Roy Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 07:53 AM)CatMan Wrote: It should probably be a focus to get DMSI to work so we actually CAN have all these phantom negative scenarios (ie. like the controversy over the fear of female relatives trying to bang you, lmao classic!) FIRST. Rather than trying to shut down and limit the program, before it even does these things in reality. I too have suspected the AS has been warped in my case to limit the program's effectiveness by labeling women as "pain" etc. It's a possibility for resistance many may have suffered.

With all the problems we've had getting the program to work as it is, cutting down on the ways it can be derailed, will be a good thing.

It'll be a high quality problem if the program can ever work well enough for the crushing majority to do all of that, regardless. I admit I'm not sure that will happen, but we'll see.

It's possible the anti sniper is easier to blame compared to fears and other things that actually block execution.

(09-19-2018, 06:19 PM)K-Train Wrote:
Dealing with "drama" when it comes to women is almost always inevitable and something you'll have to deal with accordingly especially if you're talking about dealing with multiple women which is what I assume most guys. Is it something that would be cool NOT to have to deal with and have supportive women around you akin to what @mat422 said? Absolutely. No doubt...after DMSI has proven it can accomplish it's goals first.

(09-18-2018, 11:45 PM)Have at ye Wrote: If she liked her boyfriend so much, she wouldn't make the move regardless of DMSI or anything else.

(09-19-2018, 12:53 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: I rather have the power spent on trying to get these other men not to get in physical fights with me and persuade them to become co-operative instead.

(09-19-2018, 07:20 PM)lano1106 Wrote: I can relate to that. It seems like 1 woman requires already so much attention. I have a hard imagining myself juggling with 3-4 simultaneously. It seems like a full-time job or I have poor time management skills...

(09-20-2018, 12:37 AM)CatMan Wrote: I recall Shannon actually saying it's possible the AS was possibly being warped, in my case and others, in order to resist the program. Hence why *I* said it. It wasn't something I ever thought of until then, Roy.

I've also been in situations with psycho women...like the one that ruined my rep for 7-8 years and got my arm broken. I'm also able to see those are extreme cases and can more readily see signs to steer clear now. And don't want to run the risk of giving yet another avenue of escape before this thing actually works for the majority. Make it actually work, THEN dial it back. Seems obvious.

I agree with Nox on this. Same issue and talking points again...bit of a shame as that just shows the program hasn't gone further in actual results since...maybe the next one will though. We'll see.