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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Darwin - 02-12-2021 Hey Shannon, I've taken a USLM break and started using SE because, whilst I know USLM is making root level changes related to fear, something told me I need to work on not being motivated by an intrinsic lack of self-worth. Having no intrinsic self worth results in me avoiding positive events and feedback meaning I block results - since they pump me up and then I crash soon after. After a few days of SE, I broke down crying. I was able to face numerous uncomfortable facts about reality and that I was avoiding them because i fundamentally believed they remove any right to feeling good about myself. After this I had some major successes and breakthroughs which were clearly stored up from USLM. I was blocking them because (1) the motivation for wanting them was that it would impress other people/feel self worth because of their approval which I know is going to only result in pain, the approval will fade and it will hurt when it does; and (2) I'll be getting success and approval because of a sub, not because I fundamentally deserve it so when the sub is gone, any good is gone. Being on SE, i can really face everything i don't like with an engaged spirit, take responsibility, be very engaged with reality and have much more trust in myself; this allows me to allow subs to work because i can trust myself to handle the benefits well and i can trust that i'm ok with or without those benefits. I would really LOVE to use the new MLS, you may not remember it but i've been a big proponent of it on this forum. I'd like to request though that helps to identify and be faithful to the most appropriate means of maintaining internal self worth and self acceptance and disconnect from self worth from positive or negative external feedback. For me this means being faithful to some values, such as being conscious, taking responsibility and being purposeful; and those mattering to me more than what any person thinks and not being dependent on the outcome of the sub for my self-worth, but it may be different for others. When I did SE for the first time, my whole life turned and became so much healthier and more successful, then using after MLS the results i got were phenomenal. After a while the results were sabotaged when I was depending on getting praise for my cleverness and seeing my intelligence in action to feel good about myself - and I lost my way. Then I went back to SE again and after that did USLM - again my results were great but started to go south when i was just looking for interesting and fun successes to give me self worth. I've been on this rollercoaster for a while so hope you can take this request seriously/see why it's quite serious to me. My intrinsic level of self worth is so limited it gets in the way even of mental function at time because ironically i don't want to deal with the pain of doing well, feeling good about myself because of it and then losing that again. It's a hard and very personal thing to admit. Just another thing, MLS seems to spike reward centres in my brain - literally I get excited and have dopamine highs which result in me binge eating - if there's something related to really enjoying the process of delayed gratification I think that would help with longer term sticking to learning/mental tasks and help to stay on course with health goals as well. Thanks RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Shannon - 02-12-2021 (02-12-2021, 10:11 AM)Darwin Wrote: Hey Shannon, On Self Esteem: Your issue is that you are dealing with faulty thinking resulting from faulty beliefs. Seeking approval and reward from others is always going to result in failure. You need to seek those things from within yourself. On binge eating: The dopamine highs are actually not triggering the binge eating. They are most likely the result of the program execution causing you to enjoy the learning process, and the binge eating is a result of the fear experienced by a different part of your subconscious in response to executing the script that it cannot stop or sabotage, but still fears the process and/or outcome of. This will be dealt with in a couple of different ways in the new version. RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Darwin - 02-12-2021 (02-12-2021, 10:52 AM)Shannon Wrote: On Self Esteem: I am saying exactly that, Shannon. Seeking approval and reward from others always HAS resulted in failure, I know that very well - and I know no sustainably successful/happy person who ever didn't have an internal self validation, their own value system they judged themselves by and internal locus of control. And I WANT to seek those things from within myself. As I said, SE really supports me in nurturing my 'self' and addressing my faulty beliefs as it were. I also proactively judge myself by my own standards. All I'm saying is that I keep needing to go back to SE because this is a core issue for me that leaves me (probably) sabotaging results. I had a violent childhood where i was consistently told in one way or another i didn't deserve to exist - so whilst i recognise the faulty thinking and beliefs i find it difficult to address those without the support of subliminals and SE seems to be great at that - it was the first taste of true self esteem I ever had. So if there is something in MLS that can support the practices i start to implement when I'm on SE that seem to massively improve my life across the board and reap the bonusses that subliminals yield, something to help maintain an internal locus of control then i think that would be really helpful. Your prerogative of course. RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - ChangeMaker - 02-12-2021 @Shannon I am not sure if this is appropriate to ask. Apologies if not. I wanted to ask you if there is anything related to black magic/occult stuffs or something similar you use in any of your subliminal or any products? I am asking this because I don't want to involve in any magickal stuffs because of my personal preference. Another reason this question comes to my mind is because several friends of mine reported that they are using subliminals from a certain company and that the company uses occultish stuffs in their subliminals, and they are very open about it. I mean they publicly say they do. That info brings doubt into my mind that if all the subliminals are made that way. Although I am not very religious, I don't want to involve into anything that has little bits of magickal rituals or similar thing. That's why clearing that doubt is very important for me. BTW, I took a long break from subliminals and lots have happened in the meantime. The number of subliminal creators has increased drastically (on YouTube and as online company). I doubt their quality though. When I discovered IML in 2016 there were several companies. Anyway, life didn't change much for me. I think I am inside of a bubble which is bringing me the similar scenarios again and again. Let me elaborate a bit. I posted about my condition here like 2 years ago. And I am guilty of not following your advice. ![]() Back in 2018, I became suicidal. I became so depressed that I wanted to suicide. Why? 1. For some reason, all the women I like friend zone me. I confessed to some women I like and all rejected me and they said "they thought we were just friends" ![]() 2. I believe I have kept so many emotions suppressed inside me, and tried to hide all that now they wanna come out. how do I know? Many imaginary scenes automatically play inside my head with sudden outburst of emotion. Let me give an example. My mother is very very strict. She is like alpha in my family, she even dominates my father. My father is honestly weak, beta kind. So since childhood, my mom restricted me from many things. She told me seduction and sex are very very bad, terrible sin. She kept me home while other boys socialized and played outside. She still wants me to be in complete control of her. and many other things. So, after joining PUA, I realized that she programmed me to fail today with women. I probably have deep shame, guilt towards seduction and sex, so I avoid them subconsciously. Now I have huge anger towards her. I mentally imagine fighting with her and even killing her. Huge emotion comes up too, as if its happening in reality. Maybe my emotions want to come up and get released, but I am stuck. 3. Although my mom restricted me in many ways, I secretly developed terrible porn and masturbation addiction. I can't live without masturbating 5-15 times to porn per week. I am now 25 btw. I feel really guilty after doing it. every single time. I feel very low mentally. physically it's not that of an issue. I recover within 1-2 days. But something inside me is telling that the addiction is ruining my life. Shannon told last time that I might be a very high testosterone guy like him. I can't get rid of the guilt though. And I have developed premature ejaculation. I am still virgin though. but now, it takes me 5-10 seconds to blow my load. It used to be lot longer when I was younger. 4. Last time I told my academic performance was ruining too. However, I suddenly gained confidence in my academic life and right now I am not only doing well, I am the best guy in my university. So that's one good news. I will graduate at the beginning of 2022. I am very perfectionist type. For some reason I couldn't follow anything from any place. I didn't go full in with PUA stuffs, neither did I go full in with Shannon's advice (which was to either use free Emotional healing, or AM6 if I can afford it). I don't know what is still blocking me. I am also surprised that my academic life dramatically improved even if I did nothing. I just wanted to improve my grades so I don't fall into probation in university. I am guilty of using several other subliminal, Quantum healing, hypnosis, NLP, PSTEC, Tapping, meditation, visualization etc etc. everything. I never mixed anything with Shannon's subliminal though. Shannon prohibited it and I recalled, stayed away. I am no longer suicidal though. I want to live, enjoy life and do something for humanity. I am not even too concerned about my love life. My parents will marry me off with a girl within next few years. But I am not internally satisfied. why? Because I know I am still a boy inside. I am very immature, don't know how to socialize with people, connect with women and still not taking any real world responsibilities (I still live with parents). I fear the world, I fear to go outside even. I am really enjoying Corona lockdown because I am staying home and taking classes from online. But for how long? and the woman my parents will marry me with, will she be totally satisfied with me? I doubt she will always see me as beta and take advantage of me, or cheat on me. Let's forget about women, what about business? my parents won't be there for me all my life. I have been studying Architecture, I will have lots of responsibilities and will have to run Design studio, lead engineers. Will I be able to do it? or I will remain someone's puppet forever? or If I do something else, will I be able to socialize and make a living? Although right now I am a bit confident with my skillsets, academic performance (I am far from suicidal thoughts and have something to focus on), but these questions really bother me. I don't know what's wrong with me. is it because of my suppressed emotions that many "new age" spiritual gurus of today talks about? or is it my mother who permanently shaped me to be that way? Why am I not moving? what's the block? Why can't I even do a simple work like downloading free emotional healing mp3 and listen to it as I sleep for 30-90 days? I tried, but I quit every time after 5-10 days. Strange! I don't know why? Do I expect too early result subconsciously? or is it my perfectionism? Although I said I am far from suicidal thoughts now, I am really concerned that these kinds of cycles will make me head towards that low point of my life again. My current goals are - 1. finishing my university well (which I am doing well at the moment) and moving to a different place, because I really think I should be away from my mom for some time so I can grow freely, she still decides everything in my life right now and I am also comfortable with that 2. getting really good with women (no PUA stuffs helped me so far, I implemented little too ![]() 3. become more social ( I am not that bad though, I can easily stand in front of 50-100 people and present something, I am a designer, so I do it often, but I do it because I have to do it, not for fun), 4. solving my premature ejaculation issue and becoming skilled in bed too, 5. start earning money, 6. clearing my mental issues, 7. becoming health and fit (I am skinny), and stylish 8. becoming a MAN, alpha powerful man I want to use subliminal again and I wanna do it with your stuffs. I don't know for how long will I stick to, but I will have to start first. In today's world, we have too many options and we implement nothing! I am very guilty of that. RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - ncbeareatingman - 02-12-2021 Shannon.... are you now working on DMSI idea you had to make it work better,implimenting that now....and #2) are you round robin-'ning DMSI,UMSv2 and the secrety thing-a-ma-thing,you'd talked about over a week ago now,as well??? IN short have you broken ground on such, undertakings & tasks? Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Z-Man - 02-12-2021 Shannon, does NSFM still work if you fear rejection. Suppose you see somebody you are attracted to will you be afraid to talk to them or does the program overwrite that? RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - KingDavid93 - 02-13-2021 Hi @Shannon I would like include the sleep induction aid and the awakener in my daily usage in order to more efficiently optimize my schedule What would be the best way to include them without derailing the progress of LTU too much (I am currently on stage 4) RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Shannon - 02-13-2021 (02-12-2021, 01:35 PM)Darwin Wrote:(02-12-2021, 10:52 AM)Shannon Wrote: On Self Esteem: The skeleton script has self esteem programming in it. So it's in there. It won't be the primary focus of the program, of course, outside of Self Esteem itself. RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Shannon - 02-13-2021 ChangeMaker said... Quote:I wanted to ask you if there is anything related to black magic/occult stuffs or something similar you use in any of your subliminal or any products? I am asking this because I don't want to involve in any magickal stuffs because of my personal preference. Another reason this question comes to my mind is because several friends of mine reported that they are using subliminals from a certain company and that the company uses occultish stuffs in their subliminals, and they are very open about it. I mean they publicly say they do. That info brings doubt into my mind that if all the subliminals are made that way. We don't allow people to discuss magick and the like here on the forum because it's not appropriate, and I don't put "black magick" into any of my subliminals. "The occult" is a broad subject because "occult" doesn't mean what you think it means. It comes from Latin, and means simply "hidden". It refers to knowledge that was kept hidden from those who were not wise enough to use it safely or wisely. These days, most of that knowledge has been foolishly published for anyone to see, and there are still very few who understand it or use it wisely. What I use in my subliminals is your natural subconscious abilities. Nothing more. Remember that our creed is, "Safe, effective, useful." While you can use "magick" to do things like erect a directional reflection shield, really what you're doing is communicating to your subconscious that you want to use your natural energy field in a defensive protective way. Which is what I am doing in the script. Is it really "magick" or is "magick" just the use of your natural subconscious abilities that you did not consciously know you had? "Black magick", any apprentice of any school of the Art worth a damn will know, does not exist. Magick is a tool, and as such, it is what it is, just as a hammer, a saw and a screwdriver are. Nobody ever asked, "Is this hammer evil?" because someone used it to murder someone else. A tool is a tool. It is how it is used that matters, and that depends on the user, not the tool. Those who do harm to themselves and others using "magick" are either not understanding, or not believing, certain Universal Laws. You cannot act without repercussions, and you will always have your actions balanced out. If you act to harm, you will experience harm. There is no escaping that Law. For that reason, anyone who intentionally harms themselves or another using "magick" is, in my opinion, an idiot. And they will probably be a short lived idiot as well. Unintentionally harming yourself or others with "magick" is no excuse either; it still invokes the Law. This is why this knowledge was kept hidden for so long: too many humans are just itching to win the Darwin Award. Keeping it hidden was a way of keeping the idiots out there from hurting themselves. It takes a thorough understanding of the Laws of the Universe before manipulating that universe can be a safe act. This is sadly something that has been forgotten and ignored for too long. My subliminals make full use of your natural abilities, consciously and subconsciously. There is nothing "evil" or "supernatural" going on. That is why my subliminals are safe to use. I'm not stupid, and I'm not going to take liberties with your mind, your free will or your safety. Quote:1. For some reason, all the women I like friend zone me. I confessed to some women I like and all rejected me and they said "they thought we were just friends" Pickup training doesn't work for guys like you because guys like you need to make changes at the deep subconscious level, and do it in ways that Pickup does not address or account for in dealing with the person trying to do it. Guys like you will not be able to "fake it". Women will see through your act and treat you exactly as they have treated you. In fact, for guys like you, "fake it till you make it" always fails to "make it" because women respond very poorly if they detect you "faking it", which leaves you unable to ever "make it". Quote:2. I believe I have kept so many emotions suppressed inside me, and tried to hide all that now they wanna come out. how do I know? Many imaginary scenes automatically play inside my head with sudden outburst of emotion. Let me give an example. My mother is very very strict. She is like alpha in my family, she even dominates my father. My father is honestly weak, beta kind. So since childhood, my mom restricted me from many things. She told me seduction and sex are very very bad, terrible sin. She kept me home while other boys socialized and played outside. She still wants me to be in complete control of her. and many other things. So, after joining PUA, I realized that she programmed me to fail today with women. I probably have deep shame, guilt towards seduction and sex, so I avoid them subconsciously. Now I have huge anger towards her. I mentally imagine fighting with her and even killing her. Huge emotion comes up too, as if its happening in reality. Maybe my emotions want to come up and get released, but I am stuck. The dominant, insecure, manipulative and controlling mother paired with the weak father. How predictable that you should have these issues as a result. Quote:3. Although my mom restricted me in many ways, I secretly developed terrible porn and masturbation addiction. I can't live without masturbating 5-15 times to porn per week. I am now 25 btw. I feel really guilty after doing it. every single time. I feel very low mentally. physically it's not that of an issue. I recover within 1-2 days. But something inside me is telling that the addiction is ruining my life. Shannon told last time that I might be a very high testosterone guy like him. I can't get rid of the guilt though. And I have developed premature ejaculation. I am still virgin though. but now, it takes me 5-10 seconds to blow my load. It used to be lot longer when I was younger. You could be strapped to a table unable to reach your penis for as long as you had air, water and food, and you would live. Let's not get overly dramatic here. The problem isn't that you can't live without it, the problem is that the part of you that seeks masturbation as a method of dealing with your fears is currently dominant. It is probably the only way you know how to cope with your situation. All you need to do is develop a new, better coping mechanism. You hold beliefs that cause you to self punish with guilt, shame and fear, and then to deal with that you seek some source of escape, comfort, pleasure, relief, something. The issue you almost certainly have is that you also hold beliefs that your coping mechanisms are bad, which makes your situation a vicious circle: feel bad, punish self, seek relief, feel bad, punish self... and it seems very likely that the more fearful you get, the faster you achieve orgasm, because for some reason your subconscious sees orgasm as some sort of relief. Maybe it is the only pleasure you have? But this also triggers negative responses and fear. Your first issue is going to be to stop the vicious cycle. You will need to deal with and neutralize your guilt, shame, fear and faulty beliefs to do that. Quote:4. Last time I told my academic performance was ruining too. However, I suddenly gained confidence in my academic life and right now I am not only doing well, I am the best guy in my university. So that's one good news. I will graduate at the beginning of 2022. Congratulations. At least not everything is bad! Quote:I am very perfectionist type. For some reason I couldn't follow anything from any place. I didn't go full in with PUA stuffs, neither did I go full in with Shannon's advice (which was to either use free Emotional healing, or AM6 if I can afford it). I don't know what is still blocking me. I am also surprised that my academic life dramatically improved even if I did nothing. I just wanted to improve my grades so I don't fall into probation in university. I am guilty of using several other subliminal, Quantum healing, hypnosis, NLP, PSTEC, Tapping, meditation, visualization etc etc. everything. I never mixed anything with Shannon's subliminal though. Shannon prohibited it and I recalled, stayed away. Perfectionism is the result of fear of criticism and the inability to handle it. You tried using all of that other stuff, but you didn't try the simple, free option you had from me, probably because you're afraid what I offer will actually work. Quote:My current goals are - If you want my advice, forget about women and PUA. You have a lot of work to do on yourself before women will matter. Finish college and do the best you can. You would be surprised how well a man can do simply by being successful financially, which is what a good job resulting from college degree will do for you. In my opinion, you need to move away from your family and start building yourself up. You want to do this when it makes the most financial sense, unless it's a desperate "now or never" scenario. When you do certain specific things, you will find that all of your issues fall like dominoes, one after another. The key, as I said before, is to break the vicious cycle you're in. You need to get away from the toxic people in your life who induce, enforce and reinforce toxic thinking and beliefs that result in guilt, shame and fear. You need to interrupt the thinking and beliefs that result in guilt, shame and fear. You need to stop worrying about things that don't matter. Stop turning everything into a reason to beat yourself up, berate yourself, put yourself down, punish yourself. If you want to try using my subliminals, then you need to commit to doing it right. If you can't afford to buy something, then use EHPRA free, and use it for at least 6 months. If you can afford to buy something, then you're going to be most helped by LTUv6, OFv2 or EHPRA v4 in that order. AM6 is a useful program for what it is, but it's very old technology at this point, does not have the ability to handle the fear levels you have, and will not be the best choice anymore. Women will come as a natural part of you healing and fixing yourself and achieving your true inner potential. Focus on that. If you want to use something else, then pick one thing and stick with it. Your fears will try to get you to switch back and forth so that part of you does not have to deal with actually making progress by keeping your conscious self chasing it's tail. Whatever you do... stick with it, follow the instructions and FINISH WHAT YOU START. RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Shannon - 02-13-2021 (02-12-2021, 02:58 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: Shannon.... are you now working on DMSI idea you had to make it work better,implimenting that now....and #2) are you round robin-'ning DMSI,UMSv2 and the secrety thing-a-ma-thing,you'd talked about over a week ago now,as well??? Right now I'm working on MLS. RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Shannon - 02-13-2021 (02-12-2021, 05:24 PM)Z-Man Wrote: Shannon, does NSFM still work if you fear rejection. Suppose you see somebody you are attracted to will you be afraid to talk to them or does the program overwrite that? NSFM includes FRM 4.9 for a reason. RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Shannon - 02-13-2021 (02-13-2021, 06:03 AM)KingDavid93 Wrote: Hi @Shannon Use 1 loop of each only. That will give the minimal disruption. If that doesn't give you enough exposure (SIA), then 2 loops. But if you notice the effects degrading LTU, you have to back off. Basically, minimize use. RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Frosted - 02-13-2021 Hey Shannon does the motivation module in LTU have a countermeasure for false motivation or inspiration? Its the kind of motivation that is temporary and feels good, but in the end it's just lying to yourself to feel like you're going to do something or are doing something when really you're just procrastinating and trying to feel good while doing it. RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Shannon - 02-13-2021 (02-13-2021, 12:47 PM)Frosted Wrote: Hey Shannon does the motivation module in LTU have a countermeasure for false motivation or inspiration? Its the kind of motivation that is temporary and feels good, but in the end it's just lying to yourself to feel like you're going to do something or are doing something when really you're just procrastinating and trying to feel good while doing it. LTU deals with that. |