(11-02-2020, 08:22 AM)LionKing Wrote: The thing that gets me with PE is that I think it should be combined with OED. Just train the soldier to stand up strong and stay at attention for as long as needed, deal with any GSF that's preventing this. Having just either one function seems lacking, and increasing both a bit would seem to directly add on top of each other. Maybe one deals with the other as well, but how to know which one to spend 8 months on? Running both is too much time invested into this one area, since there's other programs like LTU to run also.

Sure there could be other related titles, but IMO these two seems more like intertwined, and focus is a virtue.

(11-01-2020, 08:19 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: Shannon's quote": "In fact I have concluded that I cannot build UMS v2 as a multi-stage set because LTUv6 is taking so much time and work " -

Me:  What!!?? does that mean,are you saying " you can not build UMS v2,until you are finished with LTU v6 or at all as a 6 stage set?
I thought the flow was going to be: Finish building DMSI, and right afterwards, finish the next 4 stages of LTUv6 and then right on into UMS v2? is that not so? I hope you have a change of heart around this,before you get there( ready to up grade,build the new version of UMS v2!)

so were getting cheated out of  what could have been ,but LTUv6  isnt?

I'm slightly panicking right now....just a single stage ONLY? I thought you said it was too much to process as a single stage and therefore it brought up too much resistance and therefore has to be spread out,over 6 stages. that you wanted to be able to focus on one title at a time. please clarify and give some hope here. I've been waiting for this multi-stage set forever. thank you.
I Am truly afraid that it wont work as a single stage,like it did  the last time,like the out come was, last time!! (But that was before the new scripting,Platinum Lake Build,break thru's 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 & so on..... still concerned however. If you knew my circumstances you'd know why.

PS: after thought,how 'bout build,when the time comes, two stages of UMS v2,and then  release that at the same time,that way you will  have a full two months running start? No? its worth considering!!

Im trying  comfort & reassure  myself right now,with how well the new versions of the list below,that will work &  be included in UMS v2
specifically :
USLM upgrade - check
EHPRA upgrade - check
FRM upgrade - check
and DRS.as well..and how well these new upgraded version will really help to bring about,higher levels of income and opportunity as such.

Now, I feel like, how Catman felt when he thought yawl were gonna ditch DMSI!!  Argh!!
like I wasnt depressed enough before I read this,I was actually in the process of recovering from it,then I read this and now Im really depressed. damn. argh.
Getting into the Flow,in the Zone of Manifesting....getting quieter.... thats the work this day and week.....

(11-02-2020, 09:53 AM)fab10 Wrote:

(11-02-2020, 08:22 AM)LionKing Wrote: The thing that gets me with PE is that I think it should be combined with OED. Just train the soldier to stand up strong and stay at attention for as long as needed, deal with any GSF that's preventing this. Having just either one function seems lacking, and increasing both a bit would seem to directly add on top of each other. Maybe one deals with the other as well, but how to know which one to spend 8 months on? Running both is too much time invested into this one area, since there's other programs like LTU to run also.

Sure there could be other related titles, but IMO these two seems more like intertwined, and focus is a virtue.

Imo that only makes sense if the two issues tend to go together. While I have no desire to become the resident expert on penis size and stiffness, I don’t think that’s the case.

(11-02-2020, 01:23 PM)samba99 Wrote: sex stage sub

(11-02-2020, 01:27 PM)JamesM Wrote:

(11-02-2020, 01:23 PM)samba99 Wrote: sex stage sub

Didn't that just cu...uh...get released?

(11-02-2020, 11:14 AM)LionKing Wrote: We do need a resident expert on penis size and stiffness, though.

(11-02-2020, 02:25 PM)ThatOneGuy Wrote: Manual hand stretching is highly effective, followed by traction devices.
No gainz will be had unless you keep it passively stretched post 'workout'. Who has the time for that right? Talking here about 1 hr stretching minimum plus several hours passive.
This must be maintained for several months after any gainz are achieved otherwise your length will revert back to baseline.

(11-01-2020, 05:18 PM)fab10 Wrote:

Quote:You don't have to be in the top 5% of wealth makers to afford that.  Not even close.

Are you talking U.S. or worldwide? I am not an economist but in the country where I now live, only successful entrepreneurs and rich kids could afford those prices. Saving is not even an option for the almost totality of the population. And it’s not the poorest country in the world, by far. 

I can afford it, I am confronted every day with the reality of how privileged I am, but almost nobody here could afford your products, no matter how much they need it.

That said, the SJW in me will shut up, I’ll wait for Ben to approve the payment of OE 5.75.3G and I expect I will have a lot of fun tomorrow. 

Edit: I fully agree with Shannon’s point on value- I have used subliminal recordings from several companies, two of which very well known and respected. The price of those was in the order of magnitude of 30 bucks. I have had ZERO results from all of them (I’m talking about subliminals only, I did have good results from one brand of guided imagery + brainwaves.)

(11-01-2020, 05:44 PM)Rusty Wrote:

(11-01-2020, 04:45 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(11-01-2020, 01:44 PM)Rusty Wrote:

(11-01-2020, 08:40 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(10-31-2020, 06:15 PM)Rusty Wrote: Cool one. kinda odd that the price of it is 115$ where shannon said he has been working on it for only couple of days.
i think this should be much lower especially since it is not a life changing behavior subliminal..

I decided to re-write my reply here.

First let's discuss the price.  The price is set by the generation of technology, and we have done that as a standard for years.  5G was $89.95 per stage, 5.5G was $114.95 per stage and 5.75.x G is... well, it's still $114.95 per stage, but only because the pandemic has killed people's income.  I left the price where it was to help people be able to buy the programs still.  When the pandemic is over, this will no longer be the price.  It will go up, and probably a lot.

The price is what it is because these are the best, most advanced and most effective programs of their kind anywhere.  I'm the only subliminals producer in the world who can say they have been developing the methods, techniques, technology and skills necessary to make subliminals constantly since at least 1992.  That means I have been actively investing in not only the development of my subliminals, scripting methods, technologies, experiments, research, etc. for literally more than a decade and a half, but the results of that make my subliminals faster acting, more powerful and more effective than any other subliminals you will find.  That very likely makes me the leading expert in the world on how to do what I do, and that sort of expertise and experimentation does not come cheap - for me to acquire, or for you to benefit from.  

It may have taken me two days to develop the key script for OE 5.75.3G, but lets compare that to what other subliminals producers would be doing.  The vast majority of them doubtless would have spent 20 minutes or less.  In fact, most subliminals producers only spend an hour or two building a subliminal title, from concept to finished product, did you know that?  99.99% of all the subliminals on the market that are built by someone other than me, if they are even real subliminals, are the equivalent of my 1st, 2nd or 3rd Gen tech.  I stopped building in 3rd Gen back around 2005.  Think about that for a moment.  

It took me 2 days of working myself to exhaustion - I work 10+ hour days - to just create the Key Script for the Orgasm Enhancer.  That means that the main goal of the program took me about 20 hours to create.  That does not include the skeleton script.  That's just the script that points your subconscious to the main goal.

It "only" took me 20+ hours to make because I have predictive models to use to speed up the process.  To get the same level of script refinement without my predictive models, you would on average have to build the script, optimize it to the best of your ability, have it tested for months, analyze it for how and what to improve, refine it again, rebuild it and repeat the whole process again and again several times.  

Who else in the industry has those models?  Who else spends that kind of time writing and optimizing just a portion of the whole script?  Who else has a skeleton script that makes that Key Script work several orders of magnitude better than it would have otherwise?  Who else has decades of research, experimentation, analysis and development invested in learning how to make the best possible subliminals?  That is why it's priced the way it is.  Because it is the best of it's kind, anywhere, at any price.  If you disagree, well then you should probably be using someone else's programs.  

As for it not being life changing, there are several situations in which it can be and will be life changing.  I will explain.

First, most people have never had an orgasm even close to their full potential for what kind of pleasure their body is capable of.  That happens because of a variety of factors, including learned guilt, shame, fear, faulty beliefs, not understanding their body well enough, not getting the right kind of stimulation, or stimulated in the right way or the right place, not having a partner who is willing to put in the full effort, not having a partner who understands where, with what and/or how to stimulate them properly and other factors as well.

The difference between what most people think is a "great orgasm" and what they are actually capable of is usually night and day.  Let me tell you, that alone is life changing to experience.  But when you add in what happens when you give your lover an orgasm like that, you're going to potentially change not only their life, but your entire relationship with them. 

You think maybe a married couple would benefit from using Orgasm Enhancer?  Maybe make their sex life better, with better and more frequent and enthusiastic sex?  Maybe make their relationship stronger?  You think it couldn't work like that for a boyfriend/girlfriend type relationship as well?  How do you think a Tinder date would go if you hit them with an orgasm that blows their head off like nobody else can?  Think maybe you'll have them "coming" back for more?  Maybe give you a reputation among their friends that gets you swamped in naughty bits?  Think maybe you could get a reputation for being the best lover they ever had?  That could go places.  Trust me.

What about those people whose primary language of love is sex?  Those people experience sex as a display of love, intimacy, bonding and trust.  Orgasm, to them, is the ultimate in "I love you."  You think maybe this wouldn't make their sex lives and relationships better?  That is pretty life changing.  

Good orgasms can mean the success or failure of a relationship.  Given the right type of relationship, that is potentially life changing.

And did you know that having an orgasm has effects on your mind, body and emotions?  They can be very beneficial, too.  Stress relief is a big one.  The better the orgasm, the better those effects.  Now what do you suppose would happen if you were to turn up the pleasure knob (no pun intended) to 10 or 11?  That can definitely be life changing.

If you want the price to be lower, then you're going to have to wait until 6G comes out, when 5.75.xG is eligible to go on sale.  If I'm still selling it.  And then you're going to have to hope the sale price is lower than $114.95 a copy, because the current price is being held below the real price for 5.75.xG as a courtesy to my customers while the pandemic is disrupting people's ability to make money.  When the pandemic is over, 5.75.xG is not going to be $114.95 a copy anymore.  It will go up significantly.  

But wait, you haven't even tried to use it yet!  You have no idea what it can do, or what value that gives.  

I don't price things based on what people think of a program they've never tried, or how many days it took me to build.  If I did, LTUv6 would be somewhere between $5,000 and $7,500 for a full copy, and several 5.75G titles would be single stage programs that cost several thousand dollars.  There's a reason I set a price standard according to what technology generation we are working with, instead of things like, "How many days did I spend developing and optimizing the key script?".  Pricing by generation gives us a standard, predictable price that doesn't undervalue or overvalue the whole technology generation because one program took me a day to script and another required 2 months to script.

about the models- interesting i didnt know they actually save you monthes of time.

They allow me to run through dozens and even hundreds of different variants on a statement, and select only the best and most successful one, usually in a day or less.  That saves me a lot of time.

Quote:I understand better the process of your work now and understand the price value.
But what i dont get is why the price keep rising with the upgrade of generation? Yes it is stronger, yes it is 
better, but if it keeps going that way then what happens when we reach 6.5G ? the baseline will be 500$ a piece?
who are the target audience of your product? the top 5% of wealth makers? or the average population?

6G will be the end of the line for a long time.  Once we hit 6G, development will stop and I will begin building out my entire library in 6G.  The goal is for that to allow me to work less and spend some time in other directions, like having a family, while not having my products be threatened by the development of other companies while I do that.  

6G is likely to cost around $299.95 a copy per stage, although that was the result of a modeling run done years ago and may have changed by now.  I will re-run the models when I am ready to release 6G.  But basically, the price of the generation is what it is because that is what achieves the best balance of customer satisfaction and profits.  Where those two lines cross is where the buyer and seller agree that the value equals or exceeds the price, and both parties are happiest.  You don't have to be in the top 5% of wealth makers to afford that.  Not even close. 

Quote:If you aim toward high socioeconomic status people only, it would be reasonable to keep rising the price and keeping the price baseline at high amount.

but if its made for the general population then i don't think this strategy of raising the pricea would attract most people.

Nobody else has 26+ years into the development, research, experimentation, improvement and testing of their subliminal technology, and nobody else will be able to do some of the things I am going to do with it in the not too distant future.  These are the highest end subliminals money can buy.  If you want the best, you pay for it.  And if you can't pay for it, you save for it.  I learned a long time ago that no matter what my programs are capable of doing, no matter how much better they are than what other companies offer, the value of the program will never be what it should be if I don't ask for it.  

For example, we once had a bug in our system that for a short time made a $500 program "name your own price".  Effective,y you could pay whatever you wanted, from nothing at all, all the way up.  When we discovered it, we traced back the sales of the product under the bug and you know what we found?  About 33% paid $0.00 for it, about 33% paid $1-$2 for it, and about 32% paid $3 to $10 for it.  Only 1% paid more than $10 for that $500 program, and nobody paid more than $50.  Yet we have been selling that program at $500 a copy for many years, and it has sold many, many copies at that price.  Because we asked for it.  Nobody would have paid that if it wasn't worth it, and refunds have been very rare.  

In today's world, nothing is ever good enough because consumers are so spoiled for choice now, except in this market, there are three choices: Me, my closest competitor, and everyone else.  If you want the best, you come to me and you pay what I ask.  Nobody else knows how to do the majority of what I am doing.  Even our closest competitor only understands a fraction of it.  So value must be set by the producer, and if the consumer wants what is being sold, they will pay for it.  Unless they're dumb enough to try to steal it.  But I am closing that loophole more and more with each and every update.

In the end, this is what I'm willing to get for the work I put in, and even what I charge for 5.75.xG is really undervaluing my work.

Quote:i make enough to purchase them, and i am very appriciative of your work, it is amazing really!
i am planning to purchase the next AM7 as soon as it comes out(hopefully in 2021)
i am just a bit worried that if the prices will keep raising i may not be able to keep purchasing more future ones or tell my friends who are not so financially set to purchase from here.
hope you understand my point 

Sure.  On the other side of the coin, if I don't charge what they're really worth, nobody will respect my work, and I will not be making enough to keep funding the business.  Each time I update or upgrade the technology, it makes them more and more difficult and complex to build.  LTUv6 took a full month just to upgrade the script from v5 to v6.  Each stage takes me 3-4 days of work-till-I-drop hours to build.  There are 7 stages, and I also have to take at least one day off a week to keep from exhausting my mind.  So LTUv6 - at best - would require 30 days for the script to be upgraded, and then it required a few days to create the stage scripts from it.  Then let's say everything goes perfect and I build all 7 stages in 3 days each, that's another 21 days.  We are up to 54 days now, and if we add in minimal breaks, we have at least an additional 6 days.  So if everything goes right, it would take 60 days to build LTUv6, and that is bare minimum.  

In fact I have concluded that I cannot build UMS v2 as a multi-stage set because LTUv6 is taking so much time and work.  It's put me in a serious bind, trying to build it and keep making stuff to sell in the meantime.  And DMSI.

Then you have to consider what the program does for you.  How it will change your life.  What value does that have?  I have had people tell me for years that AM6 was better for them that thousands of dollars for bootcamps and seminars.  I have had people tell me that E2 (we are on E4 now) was more successful for them than 10's of thousands of dollars worth of professional psychotherapy.  And so forth.

When you consider all this, the prices I am charging are 10% or less of what they really should be for the value that you get.  Believe it or not, if I had a Ph.D or an M.D. behind my name, you would probably need insurance to afford what I could charge for this stuff.  

My job is to create value.  But the more value I create, the more I need to be paid to do it.  Not just to make it worth my time to do this job - which is a more and more time, effort and resource intensive royal PITA for the last several years now - but because of what it's allowing me to do.  Keep the shop open, pay bills, pay taxes, pay my assistant, and keep doing the R&D that advances all this and makes all this and eventually 6G possible.

If building a thousand 4Gs a year and laying on the beach would do it, I would love that.  But I'm not here to make programs that work "sometimes".  I'm here to make programs that almost always work.  And that's expensive in a lot of ways.

I love reading your replies and reasoning, it is very solid and i am glad you answer in such a thorough way.
I sure hope E4 will do what therapy for 3 years didnt do for me.. i am optimistic so far 

i have odd question without mentioning anyone, i think i know which competitor you mean
its weird that their so called supreme technology require only 1-2 hour daily listening max and yours require few hours the least ( talking about E4 or LTU6) but i am guessing it because it is not the power difference but there is another reason for the more listening time requiring in IML products