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RE: DMSI v5.1 - Shannon - 10-22-2025
When you say "nothing to report", what specifically are you looking for to report?
RE: DMSI v5.1 - Tyler103Durden - 10-26-2025
Day 6 - ran loops
Day 7 - ran loops
Saturday - off day
Day 8 - ran loops
@Shannon idk overall mood in case working through FRM or seeing if any of the script goals are starting to execute. But I guess if I was to report anything it would infer I’m looking for something to happen, which maybe I shouldn’t be, however then I just wouldn’t know what the point is.
RE: DMSI v5.1 - Tyler103Durden - 01-11-2026
Experiencing more dreams while running DMSI v5.1. Many of them are sex related one most recent from last night based on my account and then pushing what I remember through AI w/ a Jungian perspective output. Not saying this is accurate interpretation just something to show the dream state I’ve been experiencing running this sub:
My prompt (recollection): Interpret this dream from a Jungian Perspective:
The dreamer walked into a diner with a friend. The dreamer noticed that a girl in the diner was walking by them and he noticed her from the past and interaction in the park walking her dog where she told him her real name. The dreamer attempts to strike up a conversation by guessing her name from before which is does not do correctly which due to that loses the small wager he made with the girl which was he coild take her out to dinner if he succeeded so she politely rejects him and takes a seat at the hostess standing indicating she works at the diner. The dreamer excuses himself to go the bathroom which in his head he so doing so to compose himself over the emotional shock of going outside his comfort zone (flirt/approach) and the rejection. Within minutes a man is reaching is hand in the stall he is in attempting to grab him aggressively. The Dreamer steps out and physical beats on the man and when they both explain they are pressing charges, the man mentioned his reasoning was due to the dreamer making the women feel uncomfortable (who was a former adult actress) and then using the diner bathroom to stimulate himself (masturbate). The dreamer denies this and initially thinks it’s his word vs the man so he is in trouble and how to prove he is innocent so he then decides to lean on not only testing the urine in the urinal for his DNA to prove usage but also the history timestamp and geolocation of his cell phone to prove he was not engaging in the activity in the stall. The dream then abruptly ends.
This dream is odd but what might it mean?
AI Prompt Output
From a Jungian perspective, this dream is not odd so much as highly structured. It stages a confrontation between Eros, shame, moral accusation, and the ego’s attempt to defend its integrity. I’ll interpret it symbolically, not literally, and keep it strictly analytical.
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1. The diner: a liminal social space
A diner is a public, everyday place — neither intimate nor private. In Jungian terms, it often represents the persona arena: where the ego interacts with others under social norms and expectations.
You enter with a friend (ego support), suggesting you begin the dream relatively grounded and socially resourced.
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2. The woman from the past: anima reactivation
The woman you recognize from the past is almost certainly an anima figure — an image of the inner feminine. That she is recognized but misnamed is crucial:
• You sense familiarity with this anima aspect
• But you cannot correctly “name” or consciously relate to it anymore
Misnaming in dreams often indicates misalignment between ego and unconscious — you are reaching for something real, but your current conscious framework doesn’t quite fit it.
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3. The wager and rejection: ego risk and anima refusal
The wager (“if I guess your name, I take you to dinner”) dramatizes ego initiative toward Eros — a confident but risky attempt to re-engage desire, connection, or vitality.
Her polite rejection is not hostile; it is measured. This suggests:
• The anima is not rejecting you, but
• She will not be engaged on these terms or in this way
Her taking a seat at the hostess stand (a role, a function) signals that this feminine energy is now institutionalized, professionalized, or bound by rules — no longer freely available as it once was.
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4. The bathroom: retreat into the private psyche
Bathrooms in Jungian dreamwork symbolize private psychic processing — a place to discharge emotion, reflect, or regulate instinct.
You explicitly identify the reason: to compose yourself after rejection and emotional exposure. This is psychologically healthy ego behavior.
At this point, the dream sharply pivots.
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5. The aggressive man: the shadow as moral enforcer
The man reaching into the stall is a classic shadow figure — intrusive, violent, accusatory.
Importantly:
• He does not accuse you of physical harm
• He accuses you of sexual impropriety and making women uncomfortable
This is the internalized moral shadow, not raw instinct. It represents:
• Shame
• Cultural judgment
• The policing of male desire
• Fear of being seen as predatory when expressing Eros
That he physically assaults you indicates the ego feels attacked by unconscious guilt or accusation, not by its own instincts.
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6. The accusation of masturbation
In Jungian symbolism, masturbation accusations are rarely about sex. They symbolize auto-eroticism, meaning psychic energy being turned inward rather than outward into relationship or creativity.
The accusation says:
“Your desire is illegitimate, self-serving, and harmful.”
This is not coming from the anima — it comes from the shadow moral complex.
The woman being labeled a “former adult actress” reinforces this: the dream is dramatizing projection and sexual stigma, not objective truth.
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7. Physical fight: ego boundary assertion
You physically fight back — this is significant. It means the ego does not collapse into shame. You assert boundaries against the shadow rather than submitting to it.
This is a sign of psychological strength.
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8. Evidence, DNA, timestamps: over-rational defense
Your impulse to prove innocence via DNA, geolocation, and timestamps shows the ego trying to use hyper-rationality to defend against unconscious accusation.
Jung would note this as:
• The ego trying to prove moral purity
• Rather than integrate instinct without shame
It reflects an internal conflict:
• You know instinctively you are innocent
• But you feel you must document that innocence to an inner judge
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9. Abrupt ending: unresolved tension
The dream ends before resolution, indicating the conflict is active but not yet integrated.
Specifically:
• Eros is reawakening (approach, risk, desire)
• The shadow is responding with accusation and fear
• The ego is caught between them, defending itself rather than reconciling them
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10. Overall Jungian meaning
A Jungian analyst might summarize it like this:
“The dream depicts an ego attempting to re-engage Eros and the anima after rejection, only to be violently confronted by a moralizing shadow that accuses instinctual life of being dangerous or shameful. The ego defends itself through rational proof rather than symbolic integration, indicating a conflict between desire and internalized judgment that remains unresolved.”
Not sure what these dreams mean if anything at all about DMSI. @Shannon is there going to be a release for those that paid in full for a version w/o FRM? Or can we move to v5.0?
RE: DMSI v5.1 - Shannon - 01-12-2026
(01-11-2026, 06:15 AM)Tyler103Durden Wrote: Experiencing more dreams while running DMSI v5.1. Many of them are sex related one most recent from last night based on my account and then pushing what I remember through AI w/ a Jungian perspective output. Not saying this is accurate interpretation just something to show the dream state I’ve been experiencing running this sub:
My prompt (recollection): Interpret this dream from a Jungian Perspective:
The dreamer walked into a diner with a friend. The dreamer noticed that a girl in the diner was walking by them and he noticed her from the past and interaction in the park walking her dog where she told him her real name. The dreamer attempts to strike up a conversation by guessing her name from before which is does not do correctly which due to that loses the small wager he made with the girl which was he coild take her out to dinner if he succeeded so she politely rejects him and takes a seat at the hostess standing indicating she works at the diner. The dreamer excuses himself to go the bathroom which in his head he so doing so to compose himself over the emotional shock of going outside his comfort zone (flirt/approach) and the rejection. Within minutes a man is reaching is hand in the stall he is in attempting to grab him aggressively. The Dreamer steps out and physical beats on the man and when they both explain they are pressing charges, the man mentioned his reasoning was due to the dreamer making the women feel uncomfortable (who was a former adult actress) and then using the diner bathroom to stimulate himself (masturbate). The dreamer denies this and initially thinks it’s his word vs the man so he is in trouble and how to prove he is innocent so he then decides to lean on not only testing the urine in the urinal for his DNA to prove usage but also the history timestamp and geolocation of his cell phone to prove he was not engaging in the activity in the stall. The dream then abruptly ends.
This dream is odd but what might it mean?
AI Prompt Output
From a Jungian perspective, this dream is not odd so much as highly structured. It stages a confrontation between Eros, shame, moral accusation, and the ego’s attempt to defend its integrity. I’ll interpret it symbolically, not literally, and keep it strictly analytical.
⸻
1. The diner: a liminal social space
A diner is a public, everyday place — neither intimate nor private. In Jungian terms, it often represents the persona arena: where the ego interacts with others under social norms and expectations.
You enter with a friend (ego support), suggesting you begin the dream relatively grounded and socially resourced.
⸻
2. The woman from the past: anima reactivation
The woman you recognize from the past is almost certainly an anima figure — an image of the inner feminine. That she is recognized but misnamed is crucial:
• You sense familiarity with this anima aspect
• But you cannot correctly “name” or consciously relate to it anymore
Misnaming in dreams often indicates misalignment between ego and unconscious — you are reaching for something real, but your current conscious framework doesn’t quite fit it.
⸻
3. The wager and rejection: ego risk and anima refusal
The wager (“if I guess your name, I take you to dinner”) dramatizes ego initiative toward Eros — a confident but risky attempt to re-engage desire, connection, or vitality.
Her polite rejection is not hostile; it is measured. This suggests:
• The anima is not rejecting you, but
• She will not be engaged on these terms or in this way
Her taking a seat at the hostess stand (a role, a function) signals that this feminine energy is now institutionalized, professionalized, or bound by rules — no longer freely available as it once was.
⸻
4. The bathroom: retreat into the private psyche
Bathrooms in Jungian dreamwork symbolize private psychic processing — a place to discharge emotion, reflect, or regulate instinct.
You explicitly identify the reason: to compose yourself after rejection and emotional exposure. This is psychologically healthy ego behavior.
At this point, the dream sharply pivots.
⸻
5. The aggressive man: the shadow as moral enforcer
The man reaching into the stall is a classic shadow figure — intrusive, violent, accusatory.
Importantly:
• He does not accuse you of physical harm
• He accuses you of sexual impropriety and making women uncomfortable
This is the internalized moral shadow, not raw instinct. It represents:
• Shame
• Cultural judgment
• The policing of male desire
• Fear of being seen as predatory when expressing Eros
That he physically assaults you indicates the ego feels attacked by unconscious guilt or accusation, not by its own instincts.
⸻
6. The accusation of masturbation
In Jungian symbolism, masturbation accusations are rarely about sex. They symbolize auto-eroticism, meaning psychic energy being turned inward rather than outward into relationship or creativity.
The accusation says:
“Your desire is illegitimate, self-serving, and harmful.”
This is not coming from the anima — it comes from the shadow moral complex.
The woman being labeled a “former adult actress” reinforces this: the dream is dramatizing projection and sexual stigma, not objective truth.
⸻
7. Physical fight: ego boundary assertion
You physically fight back — this is significant. It means the ego does not collapse into shame. You assert boundaries against the shadow rather than submitting to it.
This is a sign of psychological strength.
⸻
8. Evidence, DNA, timestamps: over-rational defense
Your impulse to prove innocence via DNA, geolocation, and timestamps shows the ego trying to use hyper-rationality to defend against unconscious accusation.
Jung would note this as:
• The ego trying to prove moral purity
• Rather than integrate instinct without shame
It reflects an internal conflict:
• You know instinctively you are innocent
• But you feel you must document that innocence to an inner judge
⸻
9. Abrupt ending: unresolved tension
The dream ends before resolution, indicating the conflict is active but not yet integrated.
Specifically:
• Eros is reawakening (approach, risk, desire)
• The shadow is responding with accusation and fear
• The ego is caught between them, defending itself rather than reconciling them
⸻
10. Overall Jungian meaning
A Jungian analyst might summarize it like this:
“The dream depicts an ego attempting to re-engage Eros and the anima after rejection, only to be violently confronted by a moralizing shadow that accuses instinctual life of being dangerous or shameful. The ego defends itself through rational proof rather than symbolic integration, indicating a conflict between desire and internalized judgment that remains unresolved.”
Not sure what these dreams mean if anything at all about DMSI. @Shannon is there going to be a release for those that paid in full for a version w/o FRM? Or can we move to v5.0?
Effectively your dream means there is an attempt to execute the script being thwarted by a part of you that holds beliefs that prevent you from moving forward without having something you subconsciously accepted as true and or concluded in your earlier upbringing change.
The version of DMSI without FRM would not be free; it would be a different version, which would need to be paid for as a different title. I cannot work on that until AM7 is finished, at least a couple months.
Moving to v5.0 will only remove the auric shield. That will mean more energy to put towards the auric projection that DMSI uses to attract others, but it will not lessen your need to work through what you're dealing with.
RE: DMSI v5.1 - Tyler103Durden - 01-21-2026
@Shannon ok I should keep plowing through with the sub using ultrasonic or should I use a different format to see if that helps with script execution?
Would the pheromone optimzation make me smell more intensely? I’m keeping proper hygiene and even moderate activity is brining out body odor that smells the same every time and is palpable enough where I can smell myself. It’s making me self conscious enough to wonder if others smell it too? No one has said anything, but I literally shower sometimes twice daily properly and it still is there.
RE: DMSI v5.1 - Shannon - 01-22-2026
(01-21-2026, 09:19 PM)Tyler103Durden Wrote: @Shannon ok I should keep plowing through with the sub using ultrasonic or should I use a different format to see if that helps with script execution?
Would the pheromone optimzation make me smell more intensely? I’m keeping proper hygiene and even moderate activity is brining out body odor that smells the same every time and is palpable enough where I can smell myself. It’s making me self conscious enough to wonder if others smell it too? No one has said anything, but I literally shower sometimes twice daily properly and it still is there.
I suggest you try switching to Masked format, but keep everything else the same for a month. And if thaat's not working, then try Hybrid for a month.
The pheromone optimization is indeed making you produce more pheromones and making (not caking, lol) them more intense. I suggest that you will be much better able to smell it than most others if nobody's saying anything, because by nature one will dislike their own pheromone signature. What it's trying to communicate is genetic status and if the signature is too similar to your own, that is unpleasant. Thus, literally your own scent is unpalatable to you.
I suggest you try using a fragrance to cover it. But don't wear a crappy one, and don't go overboard. Showering twice a day is definitely not necessary, if you want the pheromones to work.
RE: DMSI v5.1 - Benjamin - 01-23-2026
(01-21-2026, 09:19 PM)Tyler103Durden Wrote: @Shannon ok I should keep plowing through with the sub using ultrasonic or should I use a different format to see if that helps with script execution?
Would the pheromone optimzation make me smell more intensely? I’m keeping proper hygiene and even moderate activity is brining out body odor that smells the same every time and is palpable enough where I can smell myself. It’s making me self conscious enough to wonder if others smell it too? No one has said anything, but I literally shower sometimes twice daily properly and it still is there.
It's weird and I don't know how it works past what Shannon said, but I can confirm on an old version of DMSI I thought I smelt strongly, but the girl I was seeing at the time said she loved my smell and that I kind of smelled like honey.
It definately didn't smell like honey to me.
RE: DMSI v5.1 - Shannon - 01-23-2026
(01-23-2026, 03:21 AM)Benjamin Wrote:(01-21-2026, 09:19 PM)Tyler103Durden Wrote: @Shannon ok I should keep plowing through with the sub using ultrasonic or should I use a different format to see if that helps with script execution?
Would the pheromone optimzation make me smell more intensely? I’m keeping proper hygiene and even moderate activity is brining out body odor that smells the same every time and is palpable enough where I can smell myself. It’s making me self conscious enough to wonder if others smell it too? No one has said anything, but I literally shower sometimes twice daily properly and it still is there.
It's weird and I don't know how it works past what Shannon said, but I can confirm on an old version of DMSI I thought I smelt strongly, but the girl I was seeing at the time said she loved my smell and that I kind of smelled like honey.
It definately didn't smell like honey to me.
Pheromones definitely smell different to different people according to their genetics. I have seen cases where two different guys who slept with the same woman told me that her kitty smelled like wildly different things to each of them. One said it smelled like rancid month-old BO, and the other insisted she smelled lightly of jasmine flowers all the time.
RE: DMSI v5.1 - Tyler103Durden - 02-10-2026
I tried switching to a masked version of v5.1 and 11 clicks felt like the sub was screaming at me. I went back to ultrasonic to continue the loops. Is it wise to adjust the clicks downward to help with the volume agitation at 11 clicks.
Trying to remain positive but no signs of script execution. May possibly move on the full refund as weird dreams and smelling bad is not worth -$650 paid in full. There is a slight desire to run v5.2 w/o FRM and just barrel through it.
RE: DMSI v5.1 - Shannon - 02-11-2026
(02-10-2026, 07:10 PM)Tyler103Durden Wrote: I tried switching to a masked version of v5.1 and 11 clicks felt like the sub was screaming at me. I went back to ultrasonic to continue the loops. Is it wise to adjust the clicks downward to help with the volume agitation at 11 clicks.
Trying to remain positive but no signs of script execution. May possibly move on the full refund as weird dreams and smelling bad is not worth -$650 paid in full. There is a slight desire to run v5.2 w/o FRM and just barrel through it.
You're going to want to use the Masked at the same volume you're instructed to use it at. If you're getting no execution, we can either refund youwhat you paid, or give you a copy of 5.2 for your refund if you go that route. But, before you do that, see what your response is to the hybrid track at the instructed volume.
RE: DMSI v5.1 - Tyler103Durden - 03-01-2026
Finished off the month 5 on 1 off at 11 clicks with masked. I didn’t see any difference.
@Shannon I’d like to switch over to 5.2 and see if I can execute the script. I’m hoping I can start tonight. Should I be waiting any time before starting 5.2?
RE: DMSI v5.1 - Shannon - 03-01-2026
(03-01-2026, 07:22 AM)Tyler103Durden Wrote: Finished off the month 5 on 1 off at 11 clicks with masked. I didn’t see any difference.
@Shannon I’d like to switch over to 5.2 and see if I can execute the script. I’m hoping I can start tonight. Should I be waiting any time before starting 5.2?
I suggest you take at least a few days off, and a week is better.
RE: DMSI v5.1 - Tyler103Durden - 03-05-2026
(03-01-2026, 04:17 PM)Shannon Wrote:(03-01-2026, 07:22 AM)Tyler103Durden Wrote: Finished off the month 5 on 1 off at 11 clicks with masked. I didn’t see any difference.
@Shannon I’d like to switch over to 5.2 and see if I can execute the script. I’m hoping I can start tonight. Should I be waiting any time before starting 5.2?
I suggest you take at least a few days off, and a week is better.
I have taken 6 days off. I’d like to start v5.2.
RE: DMSI v5.1 - RTBoss - 03-05-2026
(03-05-2026, 08:55 AM)Tyler103Durden Wrote:(03-01-2026, 04:17 PM)Shannon Wrote: I suggest you take at least a few days off, and a week is better.
I have taken 6 days off. I’d like to start v5.2.
6 is more that "a few" and just shy of a week. I'd say you're GTG man.