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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - lano1106 - 08-15-2020
Something that I wrote in my journal made me wonder the following:
What is the difference between Anxiety and Fear. Aren't they closely related?
If someone is suffering from anxiety and or fear (maybe both!), what program would be best for him? ARA or OF?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - fab10 - 08-15-2020
(08-15-2020, 10:13 AM)lano1106 Wrote: Something that I wrote in my journal made me wonder the following:
What is the difference between Anxiety and Fear. Aren't they closely related?
If someone is suffering from anxiety and or fear (maybe both!), what program would be best for him? ARA or OF?
OF. Broader approach but mainly brand new technology. You must have read the reports: it’s incredibly powerful.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - RTBoss - 08-15-2020
(08-15-2020, 10:16 AM)fab10 Wrote:(08-15-2020, 10:13 AM)lano1106 Wrote: Something that I wrote in my journal made me wonder the following:
What is the difference between Anxiety and Fear. Aren't they closely related?
If someone is suffering from anxiety and or fear (maybe both!), what program would be best for him? ARA or OF?
OF. Broader approach but mainly brand new technology. You must have read the reports: it’s incredibly powerful.
As a past, frequent sufferer from acute anxiety, I'd argue that while OF may be the best longterm approach, anxiety can be crippling in-the-moment. If it's that bad, I'd say ARA is the best fit until it's under control. The ARA program has FRM 4.8 to remove the fears behind the anxiety, and instructions to permanently outgrow and overcome the causes of the anxiety.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - fab10 - 08-15-2020
(08-15-2020, 05:49 PM)RTBoss Wrote:(08-15-2020, 10:16 AM)fab10 Wrote:(08-15-2020, 10:13 AM)lano1106 Wrote: Something that I wrote in my journal made me wonder the following:
What is the difference between Anxiety and Fear. Aren't they closely related?
If someone is suffering from anxiety and or fear (maybe both!), what program would be best for him? ARA or OF?
OF. Broader approach but mainly brand new technology. You must have read the reports: it’s incredibly powerful.
As a past, frequent sufferer from acute anxiety, I'd argue that while OF may be the best longterm approach, anxiety can be crippling in-the-moment. If it's that bad, I'd say ARA is the best fit until it's under control. The ARA program has FRM 4.8 to remove the fears behind the anxiety, and instructions to permanently outgrow and overcome the causes of the anxiety.
So FRM 4.8 worked better than 4.9 in your case?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - CatMan - 08-15-2020
Hi Shannon.
Hope the vacation is going good. I'm not sure if you're responding to forum stuff during it and just not working on subs.
I'm curious, I'm 141 days in on IYPS. Is it possible to be at that point, but yet see no growth, and still have growth be possible? I have a weird situation where erections are far from perfect still due to PIED. I have a lack of sexual options to test, due to covid and otherwise as you know. Even though I am a follower of nofap, the erection issue makes it hard to pin down real growth even if I wasn't. So, I've been going largely off of flaccid size, which can fluctuate. Over time, it has remained the same I think, give or take. It's SO hard to quantify with flaccid size, due to such fluctuations. I naturally can't tell if the erect size has measurably changed either. So, I'm kinda flying blind here. Like I said before, it's the same "feelings" of cell division like during PE I used to do, but it's harder now to tell if the growth is happening with the sub.
Just wondering if it's worth it to continue to 192 days, or if I should just switch to something else. Feels like DMSI is still a long ways out for some reason...so I want to make the next few months of listening worth it. I'd switch to OF if I was to come off this, to prepare for the eventual DMSI release.
Bonus question: You mentioned you introduced some modules etc. in OF I think. You said you'd introduce a few more modules in LTU, then a few more on top of that in DMSI. Is this still the plan and has this been occurring?
Thanks, Shannon. Enjoy your vacation.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Yous - 08-15-2020
Reading many journals of the forum, i have had an idea. Almost all the subliminals works in some level for everyone, for some of them they work really well and others they have work only a little (I'm talking about the mind and intern stuff, there are other more difficult to work). The difference that I see is that for the people that work better, you can see that they usually are more positive and in general they have more success in general in other things, I don't know if the reason is that they are positive or that they have a better program in their mind for the success or even if both are related. Any way, the idea is that maybe a program such OF with a programation for being being positive and successful, after using something like this, or just a program for being positive and successful idk...could make work better all the other programs...maybe even with the programa of attracting women and money.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - lano1106 - 08-15-2020
Yous,
If I speak for myself, I don't believe in magical solution. I take a personal responsibility for the outcome. That means that I'm not expecting the subs to do the work for me and I need to have an active role in my success. My mindset is that the subs will just make the challenges easier to deal with. They boost my confidence in succeeding.
Some progs are easier to figure out an active role such as BASE or SM... Some others are kinda abstract and are hard to figure out what actions could help... Such as OF... I don't even know exactly what are my fears...
I consider my will to be strong to achieve the results that I want for myself... I work for them everyday... The subs just happen to support my life journey... Maybe subs could be less effective if your vision for what you want to accomplish is less clear and you are more or less drifting by putting the responsibility to what happens to you to some outside causes... but idk for sure... that is an hypothesis...
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Yous - 08-16-2020
I agree...But sometimes when you try hard and you dont succeed the theory is that the programation on your subconscious mind is working against you. In this case the subliminals help. But they work better for some people and for others they don't work so well, I think they always help, even more than what we think or than our level of consciousness about it. But in some particular cases they don't work well. And normally for what I see in the journals of the people that work better they have that characteristics. If for this people work better for rest will work even better as well.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - lano1106 - 08-16-2020
Again, I agree 100% with you. I didn't get the magnitude of result that I did wish for with DMSI and SM and it is not because I didn't try.
My mindset makes me not be stuck in that failure. My framing of the result is that I'm confident that it will eventually happen but the timing isn't right. This is an opportunity to grow in something else in the meantime.
I have some sort of fluidity in how I navigate in life. I always keep moving.
In fact, what you suggest about using OF to unlock results for all of the other programs, is exactly what I am trying out right now...
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - NOMAD - 08-16-2020
(08-15-2020, 05:51 PM)fab10 Wrote:(08-15-2020, 05:49 PM)RTBoss Wrote:(08-15-2020, 10:16 AM)fab10 Wrote:(08-15-2020, 10:13 AM)lano1106 Wrote: Something that I wrote in my journal made me wonder the following:
What is the difference between Anxiety and Fear. Aren't they closely related?
If someone is suffering from anxiety and or fear (maybe both!), what program would be best for him? ARA or OF?
OF. Broader approach but mainly brand new technology. You must have read the reports: it’s incredibly powerful.
As a past, frequent sufferer from acute anxiety, I'd argue that while OF may be the best longterm approach, anxiety can be crippling in-the-moment. If it's that bad, I'd say ARA is the best fit until it's under control. The ARA program has FRM 4.8 to remove the fears behind the anxiety, and instructions to permanently outgrow and overcome the causes of the anxiety.
So FRM 4.8 worked better than 4.9 in your case?
I think he's saying that ARA might be more effective short term because it's directly targeting anxiety. And although FRM 4.9 isn't present, it does use FRM 4.8, which is the next best thing.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - RTBoss - 08-16-2020
(08-16-2020, 07:42 AM)NOMAD Wrote:(08-15-2020, 05:51 PM)fab10 Wrote:(08-15-2020, 05:49 PM)RTBoss Wrote:(08-15-2020, 10:16 AM)fab10 Wrote:(08-15-2020, 10:13 AM)lano1106 Wrote: Something that I wrote in my journal made me wonder the following:
What is the difference between Anxiety and Fear. Aren't they closely related?
If someone is suffering from anxiety and or fear (maybe both!), what program would be best for him? ARA or OF?
OF. Broader approach but mainly brand new technology. You must have read the reports: it’s incredibly powerful.
As a past, frequent sufferer from acute anxiety, I'd argue that while OF may be the best longterm approach, anxiety can be crippling in-the-moment. If it's that bad, I'd say ARA is the best fit until it's under control. The ARA program has FRM 4.8 to remove the fears behind the anxiety, and instructions to permanently outgrow and overcome the causes of the anxiety.
So FRM 4.8 worked better than 4.9 in your case?
I think he's saying that ARA might be more effective short term because it's directly targeting anxiety. And although FRM 4.9 isn't present, it does use FRM 4.8, which is the next best thing.
Exactly.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - lano1106 - 08-16-2020
I guess FRM 4.9 opens up an improvement possibility for ARA...
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Benjamin - 08-16-2020
(08-15-2020, 10:13 AM)lano1106 Wrote: Something that I wrote in my journal made me wonder the following:
What is the difference between Anxiety and Fear. Aren't they closely related?
If someone is suffering from anxiety and or fear (maybe both!), what program would be best for him? ARA or OF?
Shannon has mentioned that anxiety comes from fear. I think that OF would be the best solution in the end but might take longer as it's not just sorely focused on the anxiety in the way ARA is. But OF will go deeper in the end.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Benjamin - 08-16-2020
(08-15-2020, 09:54 PM)Yous Wrote: Reading many journals of the forum, i have had an idea. Almost all the subliminals works in some level for everyone, for some of them they work really well and others they have work only a little (I'm talking about the mind and intern stuff, there are other more difficult to work). The difference that I see is that for the people that work better, you can see that they usually are more positive and in general they have more success in general in other things, I don't know if the reason is that they are positive or that they have a better program in their mind for the success or even if both are related. Any way, the idea is that maybe a program such OF with a programation for being being positive and successful, after using something like this, or just a program for being positive and successful idk...could make work better all the other programs...maybe even with the programa of attracting women and money.
Positive thinking and success modules are in the skeleton script.