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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Shannon - 05-27-2020

(05-26-2020, 08:44 PM)LionKing Wrote: A response I got internally to "logic keeps you just as safe" right now was that logic isn't always there, assuming by "logic" you mean the thinking done by the conscious mind. It's very limited in how many things it can be processing at the same time, so e.g. if it was processing a work-related problem and and then something "dangerous" would be detected in the environment subconsciously, then the subconscious would need to raise the alarm (feeling of fear) to get the conscious part to process the situation and ensure our safety. But it's likely there has already been so much fear that a learned response (habit) has been formed to "hold" that fear in place with muscular tension, building up mental tension.

This point does have merit.  However, what we see happening in many cases is that the fearful part of us, or the part reacting with fear, tends to do so disproportionately to what is best of us as a whole.  The goal is therefore to have the logical mind deal with it instead of triggering fear, and we can still use the subconscious to alert the conscious mind to any potential dangers present.

Quote:So If that's correct, then there already is this hand-off mechanism to let the conscious part deal with the situation, but (1) there's too much and (2) the fear signal doesn't turn off effectively. Not sure what the OK signal is back from the conscious mind to the subconscious that all is progressed... Maybe none, and the fear signal is present until the environmental triggers are removed, and its just expected that the conscious mind would decide on actions to leave or remove the threat. Again, we can't count of the conscious mind to not give it enough focus to process it fully and then forget or avoid to ever do that, so the reminder of fear is then necessary, like a post-it note.

The way it plays out, in most cases, is that the fearful part actually hijacks the conscious, logical part, and causes us to be beholden to it and it's assessments of not only threats, but how to deal with them, even at a conscious level.  This means that we have the problem we have:  fear holds us back, rules our lives and does so without logic and in ways that we until recently didn't even recognize.  It's basically handing the remote control for your life to a 2-3-4 year old and wondering why you can't sleep at night, or why you can't stop sabotaging yourself.    The fear system in some people simply fires too strongly.  And what we need is cooperation between both, but control should be on the logical side unless the situation demands response times that are too small for the conscious to handle successfully.  

The conscious mind can be manipulated by the subconscious mind, and relatively easily.  So having the conscious mind become aware of and focus sufficiently on whatever the subconscious perceives as a threat, without allowing the fear to override it, would solve the problem.

Quote:Of course danger/threat can be anything, e.g. the small of blood caused by a mentally-deranged tiger piling and hiding human bodies behind the car om the street that you're about to pass, to a cute babe/guy about to get the first impression of you, to perceiving to be behind or inadequate at work. So I suppose this classification would be another possible piece to try to mess with, in addition to the signaling discussed above.

Do tigers become mentally deranged?  Do they pile and hide bodies behind cars?  No.  Those are both imagined things resulting from the fearful irrational mind making things up and then responding to them with fear.  Tigers will typically only kill of they are being threatened, hungry or defending their babies.  They, like all wild animals, will seek to expend the least possible energy to do so, so as to have enough energy to find their next meal.  Meaning they're not going to be attacking multiple people just for fun, and then piling their bodies behind cars.  In fact tigers would tend to avoid places where there are cars, unless they had their territory encroached on, and had no way to move out of the way.  The logical mind comprehends this, not the illogical mind.

Quote:Do you still think the healing and clearing process works to reduce fear, if e.g. running E3 stand alone? Would that be through desensitizing oneself by examining the situation at length and, once the emotion is reduced, rationally to realize the fear is not justified, and thus allowing the subconscious to ignore those threat signals in the environment (also maybe mental environment)? I get that "execute when cleared" doesn't work because one doesn't ever consider himself cleared.

If I thought healing and clearing worked to remove fear, I would not have spent the last 2 years developing the FRM.  Execute when cleared doesn't work because the fear generating part of us fears executing, and uses as an easy excuse that it can simply continue fooling the conscious mind into "healing and clearing" forever as a sabotage/delay/prevention tactic.  The key isn't to heal and clear, because that approach turns out to be too high level; the key is to prevent the generation of fear in the first place.  I thought healing and clearing would do that, but the problem starts below that option, so we must in turn work below that option.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Shannon - 05-27-2020

(05-27-2020, 08:48 AM)ichigo Wrote: If we are running a different subliminal e.g. LTU5, how often do you recommend we can use Tranquilizer B for 1 loop to help us fall asleep per week without derailing the other subliminal?

I recommend using it 5 days out of 7 or less, and the specifics will depend on how it plays out for you.  In other words, start off with however many days you need to run it (at 1 loop) - UP TO 5 days a week - and see if that affects the other subliminal negatively.  If it does, lower your usage per week by 1 day and go another week.  Continue this until no detrimental effect is noted.  I believe you will be okay with 5 days a week if you only use it 1 loop per day to fall asleep.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - UniversalMan - 05-28-2020

@Shannon I don't know if anybody other than me still burns subliminals on a audio CD....

I have a question about that, since with newer generations you publish also FLAC files...

Can I decompress the FLAC file to WAV in order to burn it to an audio CD?

If not, I will continue to burn mp3s to a data cd (so I can listen to them on a HI-FI system)

Thank you for the reply


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Zubrowka - 05-28-2020

Could MHS help heal Glaucoma?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glaucoma


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Hanpan - 05-28-2020

(05-25-2020, 08:14 AM)Shannon Wrote:
(05-24-2020, 11:19 PM)Hanpan Wrote:
(05-24-2020, 07:03 PM)Shannon Wrote:
(05-24-2020, 09:17 AM)Hanpan Wrote:
(05-24-2020, 08:07 AM)Shannon Wrote: Returning to building BWE is something I have thought about recently, given my persistent difficulty with the models of late.  It still takes about a day to build a BWE program, upload it, get it linked and write the description.  I can do it faster and more easily than subs, but I still have to build subs.

Have you tried Tranquilizer A for what you want?  If so, and it didn't fit your needs, what does it need changed?  

I can certainly make a BWE program for "focused and alert but relaxed", but finding the right combination of frequencies may take a while.

Thanks for you reply. IMO it would be great to have some BWE in the catalogue as well, and I really believe that you wouldn’t have to make that many different products.
 
A few thoughts on this:
 
1)   It is my understanding that the difference between a sub and BWE is that a sub reprograms you, while BWE keeps you in a certain state of mind (though it might make it easier for you to access this state after long term use). I don’t know if this is correct, but I was looking for something that I could have playing more or less all day while working to keep me in a peak state.  
2)   It was my understanding from a previous post that Tranq A would be too much if I run LTU5 and also plan to run Tranq B when available.
3)   I understood that Tranq A would relax me but maybe take some away some of my motivation, which I then concluded also meant some of my focus and alertness.
4)   What I have done in very busy periods was to use ARA for 20-30 mins max in my lunch break or on my way to work. This has seemed to work pretty good and I don’t think that it has interfered with LTU. 
 
If my assumptions below are correct (which they may not be), wouldn’t you agree that a BWE product would be more suitable for this situation than Tranq A, if I continue to run LTU?
 
Thanks a lot in advance. 
 

I will address each one separately.

Quote:1)   It is my understanding that the difference between a sub and BWE is that a sub reprograms you, while BWE keeps you in a certain state of mind (though it might make it easier for you to access this state after long term use). I don’t know if this is correct, but I was looking for something that I could have playing more or less all day while working to keep me in a peak state.  

A subliminal introduces new ideas, beliefs and instructions to your subconscious mind, and if it is used and made properly, and you don't resist it, it can change your subconscious beliefs, choices, actions, etc.  Brainwave entrainment triggers a specific state of awareness to dominate your brain.  It is possible to do "all day" with both.  However, that may have consequences, as you can train your brain to stay in a specific state if you are inducing it too much.  I believe that this is a big part of why we are seeing so much ADD/ADHD when it didn't exist pre-computers.  People spend a lot of time each day now using computers, cell phones, games, movies, etc. and this tends to train their brains to stay in the wrong state while they are awake.  Probably the best way to do this would be with a subliminal to avoid that, using it for a specific amount of time in the morning and letting it wear out during the day.

Quote:2)   It was my understanding from a previous post that Tranq A would be too much if I run LTU5 and also plan to run Tranq B when available.

Tranquilizer A is good for staying awake while inducing a calm, tranquil state, but not necessarily very good for motivation.  

Quote:3)   I understood that Tranq A would relax me but maybe take some away some of my motivation, which I then concluded also meant some of my focus and alertness.

Tranquilizer A is designed to help you stay focused and alert, but also to be very relaxed and tranquil.  If you are familiar with Zen meditation, that should help you understand.  When I was testing it while I was emotionally calm to begin with, I achieved an eyes-open state I can only describe as tranquil meditative bliss which showed me why the statues of the Buddha have that smile on them.  I understand now.  However, I haven't used it for a while because it tends to counteract the motivational effects of UMS.

Quote:4)   What I have done in very busy periods was to use ARA for 20-30 mins max in my lunch break or on my way to work. This has seemed to work pretty good and I don’t think that it has interfered with LTU.
 

You may want to try using Tranquilizer A like that as well, if you have it.  It took about 45 minutes of exposure to calm me down from frustrated or angry.  20 to 45 minutes of exposure may be good for allowing you the best of both worlds.

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer this.

If I use Tranq A in the morning, will that state last throughout the working day?
 

I think a loop is usually good for 3-4 hours afterwards in most cases.

Quote:I've been very calm in my current job for a few months, so I haven't used ARA as described above. However, I'm still considering if I should move from LTU to ARA (using it fully as described) for a few weeks when I start my new job, just in order to get a smooth landing. If I stay on LTU, I'll definitely give Tranq A a try. However, I still believe that a BWE program as described above would be super helpful.

I decided to do a few weeks on ARA in connection with moving to a new job since I'm also at the end of a 3-month LTU run.

I just wanted to give you some credit. I've played ARA for two nights now and I feel so good - this is a really excellent sub.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Zubrowka - 05-28-2020

I've read some that we men divide our friendships and connections with men by instinct like we would be ready to go to war - by ordering things in status and hierarchies. But if the TAM disregard status as he is his own source of status - wouldn't that mean that it disrupts men's most intuitive way of working together? 

And even if it "only" make men see this man as the leader - it's maybe not always the best leader for the particular situation - where "natural" status selection would be better at picking the best leader.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Shannon - 05-28-2020

(05-28-2020, 12:48 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: @Shannon I don't know if anybody other than me still burns subliminals on a audio CD....

I have a question about that, since with newer generations you publish also FLAC files...

Can I decompress the FLAC file to WAV in order to burn it to an audio CD?

If not, I will continue to burn mp3s to a data cd (so I can listen to them on a HI-FI system)

Thank you for the reply

De-compressing an audio file cannot lead to damaging the result as long as you do not de-compress it to a compressed format.  In other words, transcoding it is not decompressing it, and is to be avoided.  Decompression is always to an uncompressed format, and does no damage.  .WAV is an uncompressed format, so you are free to decompress .FLAC and /MP3 files to .WAV to make your own CDs.  If you do this, always use .FLAC, which will give you the original .WAV I created.

The key is, never try to transcode or re-compress a subliminal.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Shannon - 05-28-2020

(05-28-2020, 01:06 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: Could MHS help heal Glaucoma?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glaucoma

Maybe.  You know anyone who has glaucoma who would like to buy it and test it and report back?  

I can't know what all MHS can do because I don't have people reporting.  MHS relies on what the human body can do, given the level of technology MHS is built in.  I don't know what the limits are.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Shannon - 05-28-2020

(05-28-2020, 03:50 AM)Hanpan Wrote:
(05-25-2020, 08:14 AM)Shannon Wrote:
(05-24-2020, 11:19 PM)Hanpan Wrote:
(05-24-2020, 07:03 PM)Shannon Wrote:
(05-24-2020, 09:17 AM)Hanpan Wrote: Thanks for you reply. IMO it would be great to have some BWE in the catalogue as well, and I really believe that you wouldn’t have to make that many different products.
 
A few thoughts on this:
 
1)   It is my understanding that the difference between a sub and BWE is that a sub reprograms you, while BWE keeps you in a certain state of mind (though it might make it easier for you to access this state after long term use). I don’t know if this is correct, but I was looking for something that I could have playing more or less all day while working to keep me in a peak state.  
2)   It was my understanding from a previous post that Tranq A would be too much if I run LTU5 and also plan to run Tranq B when available.
3)   I understood that Tranq A would relax me but maybe take some away some of my motivation, which I then concluded also meant some of my focus and alertness.
4)   What I have done in very busy periods was to use ARA for 20-30 mins max in my lunch break or on my way to work. This has seemed to work pretty good and I don’t think that it has interfered with LTU. 
 
If my assumptions below are correct (which they may not be), wouldn’t you agree that a BWE product would be more suitable for this situation than Tranq A, if I continue to run LTU?
 
Thanks a lot in advance. 
 

I will address each one separately.

Quote:1)   It is my understanding that the difference between a sub and BWE is that a sub reprograms you, while BWE keeps you in a certain state of mind (though it might make it easier for you to access this state after long term use). I don’t know if this is correct, but I was looking for something that I could have playing more or less all day while working to keep me in a peak state.  

A subliminal introduces new ideas, beliefs and instructions to your subconscious mind, and if it is used and made properly, and you don't resist it, it can change your subconscious beliefs, choices, actions, etc.  Brainwave entrainment triggers a specific state of awareness to dominate your brain.  It is possible to do "all day" with both.  However, that may have consequences, as you can train your brain to stay in a specific state if you are inducing it too much.  I believe that this is a big part of why we are seeing so much ADD/ADHD when it didn't exist pre-computers.  People spend a lot of time each day now using computers, cell phones, games, movies, etc. and this tends to train their brains to stay in the wrong state while they are awake.  Probably the best way to do this would be with a subliminal to avoid that, using it for a specific amount of time in the morning and letting it wear out during the day.

Quote:2)   It was my understanding from a previous post that Tranq A would be too much if I run LTU5 and also plan to run Tranq B when available.

Tranquilizer A is good for staying awake while inducing a calm, tranquil state, but not necessarily very good for motivation.  

Quote:3)   I understood that Tranq A would relax me but maybe take some away some of my motivation, which I then concluded also meant some of my focus and alertness.

Tranquilizer A is designed to help you stay focused and alert, but also to be very relaxed and tranquil.  If you are familiar with Zen meditation, that should help you understand.  When I was testing it while I was emotionally calm to begin with, I achieved an eyes-open state I can only describe as tranquil meditative bliss which showed me why the statues of the Buddha have that smile on them.  I understand now.  However, I haven't used it for a while because it tends to counteract the motivational effects of UMS.

Quote:4)   What I have done in very busy periods was to use ARA for 20-30 mins max in my lunch break or on my way to work. This has seemed to work pretty good and I don’t think that it has interfered with LTU.
 

You may want to try using Tranquilizer A like that as well, if you have it.  It took about 45 minutes of exposure to calm me down from frustrated or angry.  20 to 45 minutes of exposure may be good for allowing you the best of both worlds.

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer this.

If I use Tranq A in the morning, will that state last throughout the working day?
 

I think a loop is usually good for 3-4 hours afterwards in most cases.

Quote:I've been very calm in my current job for a few months, so I haven't used ARA as described above. However, I'm still considering if I should move from LTU to ARA (using it fully as described) for a few weeks when I start my new job, just in order to get a smooth landing. If I stay on LTU, I'll definitely give Tranq A a try. However, I still believe that a BWE program as described above would be super helpful.

I decided to do a few weeks on ARA in connection with moving to a new job since I'm also at the end of a 3-month LTU run.

I just wanted to give you some credit. I've played ARA for two nights now and I feel so good - this is a really excellent sub.

Thank you.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Shannon - 05-28-2020

(05-28-2020, 07:07 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: I've read some that we men divide our friendships and connections with men by instinct like we would be ready to go to war - by ordering things in status and hierarchies. But if the TAM disregard status as he is his own source of status - wouldn't that mean that it disrupts men's most intuitive way of working together?

A transcendent alpha can exist within and outside heirarchies simultaneously, and indeed, almost always does in one sense or another.  If he did not, then he would be unrestrained by basic societal laws and norms to such a degree that he would not recognize them as determining factors for how to reasonably limit his behavior, which ironically would require that he not be a transcendent alpha.  TA is mindful of what is good for himself, without disregarding what is good for others.  

Now that said, yes, TA does disrupt most normal male interactions if his TAM-ness is recognized.  Most guys won't know what to make of him.  They may threaten him, ignore him, think he is "weird" or decide they are intrigued, depending on the specifics.  But in every heirarchy-based social discourse, someone who simply does not recognize the heirarchy will not be understood, or appreciated.  In some cases, they are seen as a threat, thus the attack response.  This is usually tied into the identity of the individuals in the group - and especially the leader - as having a specific role and level of control.  Take that away and their whole world is thrown into chaos, and if it's bad enough, there will be a fear response that leads typically to being attacked.

Most TAMs avoid that by being more subtle or avoiding such groups and traps.

Quote:And even if it "only" make men see this man as the leader - it's maybe not always the best leader for the particular situation - where "natural" status selection would be better at picking the best leader.

TAMs don't care if they lead, in most cases.  They lead themselves, and that's enough for them.  They don't need power over others because they have the self mastery and maturity that makes it unnecessary.  In cases where a TAM is in a leadership position of others, such as head of household, co-head of household, manager, military, etc. they tend to lead more by example and try to do their thing and allow others to do their thing, only making changes when the result is not going to lead to the goal.  The tighter the goal specs, the more control they are forced to exert, but they're not power hungry, or power crazed individuals.  They can handle power without getting lost in it, or to it. They are fair and balanced in their execution of their leadership and power.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Zubrowka - 05-28-2020

(05-28-2020, 08:09 AM)Shannon Wrote:
(05-28-2020, 01:06 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: Could MHS help heal Glaucoma?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glaucoma

Maybe.  You know anyone who has glaucoma who would like to buy it and test it and report back?  

I can't know what all MHS can do because I don't have people reporting.  MHS relies on what the human body can do, given the level of technology MHS is built in.  I don't know what the limits are.

My mother has. I think she would try it and give it a shot. I'll let you know how we decide.

Btw. thanks for the elaboration about the TAM - sounds very reasonable but at the same time very cool and groundbreaking.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Shannon - 05-28-2020

(05-28-2020, 10:11 AM)Zubrowka Wrote:
(05-28-2020, 08:09 AM)Shannon Wrote:
(05-28-2020, 01:06 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: Could MHS help heal Glaucoma?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glaucoma

Maybe.  You know anyone who has glaucoma who would like to buy it and test it and report back?  

I can't know what all MHS can do because I don't have people reporting.  MHS relies on what the human body can do, given the level of technology MHS is built in.  I don't know what the limits are.

My mother has. I think she would try it and give it a shot. I'll let you know how we decide.

Btw. thanks for the elaboration about the TAM - sounds very reasonable but at the same time very cool and groundbreaking.

For something like glaucoma, you'd want to use it for 6 months.

I am going to eventually be building a subliminal for eye health and correction specifically, but I have no idea when.  Been trying to get that one in queue for at least the last 3 years, maybe longer.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Zubrowka - 05-28-2020

(05-28-2020, 11:19 AM)Shannon Wrote:
(05-28-2020, 10:11 AM)Zubrowka Wrote:
(05-28-2020, 08:09 AM)Shannon Wrote:
(05-28-2020, 01:06 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: Could MHS help heal Glaucoma?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glaucoma

Maybe.  You know anyone who has glaucoma who would like to buy it and test it and report back?  

I can't know what all MHS can do because I don't have people reporting.  MHS relies on what the human body can do, given the level of technology MHS is built in.  I don't know what the limits are.

My mother has. I think she would try it and give it a shot. I'll let you know how we decide.

Btw. thanks for the elaboration about the TAM - sounds very reasonable but at the same time very cool and groundbreaking.

For something like glaucoma, you'd want to use it for 6 months.

I am going to eventually be building a subliminal for eye health and correction specifically, but I have no idea when.  Been trying to get that one in queue for at least the last 3 years, maybe longer.

Yeah I told her about it and she was positive - "I believe in all of that stuff" she said so didn't need to do any persuasion. No problem - we will give it a try. If it works that's amazing as I know this is causing her a lot of anxiety. And who knows, it maybe will make her stop smoking as well.


RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Shannon - 05-28-2020

Smoking cessation is a whole different ball of wax. I wouldn't count on that. MHS may help repair the damage smoking does and detox her but it's not designed to stop smoking. And using it to heal and detox the damage smoking does while you smoke is like bailing out a sinking boat as fast as it sinks instead of repairing the hole.