Quote:Start looking to meet a woman with whom you could eventually have sex, and try to vet her for trustworthiness.

Quote:Sex can come later, if she passes the trustworthiness part of the equation

Quote:Start looking for a woman with whom you can have a relationship that could result in sex naturally, which would mean that she is trustworthy not only for sex but for sharing your heart with.

(05-28-2018, 05:02 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(05-28-2018, 02:05 PM)dweller94 Wrote: @Shannon

What Gen subs that you’ve produced DO NOT tell the subconscious how to go about getting the goal for example it tells the mind what it wants but not how to get it, been doing some self work and personally for me it doesn't like being told how to get the goal this is why I’ve had some success with older generation subs and none with the new generation subs, but wanted clarification from yourself on which gen are these subs?

All generations give the subconscious a set of instructions on what to do and achieve, which when executed, should result in the goal. They do not necessarily tell the subconscious how to achieve the end goal, though.

In 5G I invented the Optimus Engine, which acts as an abstraction layer for the subconscious mind, and gives the subconscious the goal, but leaves it completely up to the subconscious how to achieve it. The later versions have become more and more abstract, because more and more I realize that the subconscious has knowledge and abilities that the conscious mind does not, and therefore the conscious mind trying to direct it too specifically is like having a 3 year old drive a car...

So it would seem that the issue isn't what you think it is, since it's the newer gen subs that give the subconscious freedom to choose how to achieve the goal. I would be willing to bet that the issue is that your subconscious doesn't like the goal, and is acting to work against it because the subliminals in the newer generations are powerful enough to achieve it in a significant manner.

(05-28-2018, 10:56 PM)thor2014 Wrote: Last 2 days been listening to dmsi A at 7 loops a day
Getting dreams of naked women in swimming pools and blonde girls. Was not getting this on 2 loops.

(05-28-2018, 04:49 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(05-28-2018, 10:17 AM)Fluffy Wrote: @Shannon

I have started DMSI 3.2 A and I am wondering how would I go about using ARA 5.5G, would I need a break from using DMSI, or is it something I get to use and then come back to DMSI?

I have a similar problem that your girlfriend had job wise, mine is over most of my life (30 years) and me not working much and when I have it has mostly been for family and a few odd jobs here and there that I always quit. For a few years now I have found it a challenge to become more independent and self sufficient, and I have got to a place where my parents just give me money, without me having to work, I live at home with parents too.

The whole parents giving me "everything" throughout my life, has made it challenging to become self sufficient, independent money wise and I imagine getting a job my self and earning my "own" money would do wonders for my self esteem, self respect etc

When I read what you said about your girlfriends experience made me wonder if it would help me in this regard.

Every time I start using DMSI, I start feeling like it won't help me in this area, I don't know why, maybe because it is focused on sex, not money lol.

Any thoughts, appreciated.

It is entirely possible that DMSI is pushing you to get up and become self sufficient in order for it to achieve its goals. It is also possible that this is just an excuse to quit DMSI - since it already has SE in it.

DMSI will do whatever is necessary to get you to the goal. Lot if guys here started working on making money, or more money, when they started doing DMSI. But you can't get there if you stop using it.

Be sure you know it's not just clever resistance tactics before you switch. ARA isn't going to be the end all be all to getting a job and being self sufficient.

(05-28-2018, 07:32 PM)MasterEnki Wrote: @Shannon

Thanks for your advice,

I have re-read your answers to my AYP questions.

It seems that I have nothing serious to worry about. If she (AYP manifestation(s)) is definitely attracted to me sexually, to the point of genuinely wanting it and enthusiastically consenting - Then logically, I shouldn’t have any problems legally or otherwise (ghosting, flaking, endless shittests that lead nowhere, etc).

Quote:I thought of a few more questions / points about AYP that I would like clarified,

Quote:The 37yo woman I attracted who is legally ‘unable to consent’. Could she be a pre-manifestation of some sort?

Quote:Shannon, when you did your AYPs, did you have anyone who were likely pre-manifestations?

Quote:Me and her have lunch together regularly at the cafe we met at. We also have gone swimming, and she invited me to her house for dinner. While having dinner (me, her and her guardian / carer) she literally asked her guardian / carer “Is (my name) sleeping over tonight?”. Her guardian / carer said “no” and explained the brain damage situation and so on. After that the guardian / carer told me bluntly to not come back (unless ‘37yo woman’ gains full capacity to consent in the future). I’m still seeing her in public places as ‘just friends’.

She is the first woman to mention sleeping together with me. It gave me a bit of a confidence boost. I’m so used to women rejecting me, saying that I’m ‘not her type’, friend zoning me, considering me to be non-sexual / unarousing / unsexy, etc. Finally having a woman view me as a potential lover is a new milestone for me. It really sucks that we can’t have a sexual relationship together.

I read the script for AYP FWB, and it has stuff about ‘making myself ready’. I’m contemplating that ‘37yo woman’ is part of the ‘making myself ready’ process. It also fills me with excitement that I could be executing properly, despite fears that are coming up.

Quote:

Quote:Start looking to meet a woman with whom you could eventually have sex, and try to vet her for trustworthiness.

Quote:Sex can come later, if she passes the trustworthiness part of the equation

Should I filter every woman for trustworthiness. Even when using AYP?

Quote:If one starts filtering based on trustworthiness, would this change who the manifestation is (if she, the original manifestation target, is not trustworthy)?

Quote:Are all AYP manifestations (women manifestated due to AYP) trustworthy?

Quote:

Quote:Start looking for a woman with whom you can have a relationship that could result in sex naturally, which would mean that she is trustworthy not only for sex but for sharing your heart with.

I assume that Friend-with-Benefits relationships naturally result in sex, especially with AYP manifestations.

Could you please eloberate / expand upon the ‘sharing your heart with’ part.

Quote:I have read that FWB-type relationships are generally non-love / non-romantic relationships, just mostly sexual. What does ‘sharing your heart’ have to do with FWB-type relationships?

Do all AYP manifestations have a ‘share your heart’ element to them, including FWB and ‘sexual lover’?

Quote:Would a ‘heart chakra’ connection be likely (or guaranteed) with AYP manifestations, even the ones that focus exclusively on sex (i.e. ‘sexual lover’)?

If I manifest someone who just wants quick sex / booty-calls, etc. as my ‘perfect friend-with-benefits’ then I think I would be happy with that. On the other hand, if the ‘sharing heart with’ and/or romance is involved, I would also be happy with that.

Quote:One more thing I recently read about AYPs that I found fascinating was the concept of ‘echoes’ / secondary manifestation ‘targets’.

Got me thinking,
If one was to consciously filter based on criteria, and somehow filtered out their primary manifestation. Would they still manifest an ‘echo’ as their manifestation (assuming they use the program for longer / long enough)?

Quote:I am keeping my mind open to all kinds of possibilities - young women, older women, white, black, Asian, etc., petite, chubby, blonde, brunette, redhead, black hair, and so on. I’m trying to do as minimal filtering as possible.

Quote:Since FWBs tend to be polygamous / open relationship (according to what I read), I may try to manifest an ‘echo’ or two, once I’m comfortable with sex / had experience with my primary manifestation.

Quote:I’m already thinking ahead, that if this AYP goes well, I may run it again (or another one, such as ‘perfect sexual lover’) - this is likely to be in a couple of years time.

For now I’m focusing exclusively and only on AYP FWB.


Thanks

(05-28-2018, 09:53 PM)apollolux Wrote:

(05-28-2018, 05:02 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(05-28-2018, 02:05 PM)dweller94 Wrote: @Shannon

What Gen subs that you’ve produced DO NOT tell the subconscious how to go about getting the goal for example it tells the mind what it wants but not how to get it, been doing some self work and personally for me it doesn't like being told how to get the goal this is why I’ve had some success with older generation subs and none with the new generation subs, but wanted clarification from yourself on which gen are these subs?

All generations give the subconscious a set of instructions on what to do and achieve, which when executed, should result in the goal. They do not necessarily tell the subconscious how to achieve the end goal, though.

In 5G I invented the Optimus Engine, which acts as an abstraction layer for the subconscious mind, and gives the subconscious the goal, but leaves it completely up to the subconscious how to achieve it. The later versions have become more and more abstract, because more and more I realize that the subconscious has knowledge and abilities that the conscious mind does not, and therefore the conscious mind trying to direct it too specifically is like having a 3 year old drive a car...

So it would seem that the issue isn't what you think it is, since it's the newer gen subs that give the subconscious freedom to choose how to achieve the goal. I would be willing to bet that the issue is that your subconscious doesn't like the goal, and is acting to work against it because the subliminals in the newer generations are powerful enough to achieve it in a significant manner.

(emphasis mine)

I found that statement I boldfaced interesting, as when I was 3 years old my uncle let me drive (steer, really) his car and I was doing it just fine. Yes, it was only for a couple of blocks near home, but still.

(05-28-2018, 10:56 PM)thor2014 Wrote: Last 2 days been listening to dmsi A at 7 loops a day
Getting dreams of naked women in swimming pools and blonde girls. Was not getting this on 2 loops.

(05-29-2018, 01:22 AM)Fluffy Wrote:

(05-28-2018, 04:49 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(05-28-2018, 10:17 AM)Fluffy Wrote: @Shannon

I have started DMSI 3.2 A and I am wondering how would I go about using ARA 5.5G, would I need a break from using DMSI, or is it something I get to use and then come back to DMSI?

I have a similar problem that your girlfriend had job wise, mine is over most of my life (30 years) and me not working much and when I have it has mostly been for family and a few odd jobs here and there that I always quit. For a few years now I have found it a challenge to become more independent and self sufficient, and I have got to a place where my parents just give me money, without me having to work, I live at home with parents too.

The whole parents giving me "everything" throughout my life, has made it challenging to become self sufficient, independent money wise and I imagine getting a job my self and earning my "own" money would do wonders for my self esteem, self respect etc

When I read what you said about your girlfriends experience made me wonder if it would help me in this regard.

Every time I start using DMSI, I start feeling like it won't help me in this area, I don't know why, maybe because it is focused on sex, not money lol.

Any thoughts, appreciated.

It is entirely possible that DMSI is pushing you to get up and become self sufficient in order for it to achieve its goals. It is also possible that this is just an excuse to quit DMSI - since it already has SE in it.

DMSI will do whatever is necessary to get you to the goal. Lot if guys here started working on making money, or more money, when they started doing DMSI. But you can't get there if you stop using it.

Be sure you know it's not just clever resistance tactics before you switch. ARA isn't going to be the end all be all to getting a job and being self sufficient.

Yeah that is a very good point Shannon, I don't know why I could not see that.

Quote:Yesterday after only a few nights of doing 2 loops of A, I started having this kind of dizzy feeling upon waking, I brushed it off and just thought it is because of the extra processing from the 2 loops.

Anyway, I took a nap in the afternoon and I had this dream which involved me interacting with someone in this big caravan type thing, and it starting spinning and spinning with me inside and I was still stationary, but the spinning around me would not stop and I felt fear and felt like I had no control and I got scared and I actually woke up with my heart beating fast, feeling disorientated and thinking "wow that is enough sleep" and I got up.

Shortly after that I started changing my mind about my plans to go abroad and work for 1 year + to become self sufficient and independent, I felt like I started feeling fearful of leaving home and my parents.

I was kind of shocked at how this nap effected me, because I don't hardly ever feel fear, consciously at least. This was quite negatively trippy, reminded me of a certain type of mushroom I used to eat years ago.

So that night, last night, I switched back to 1 loop, because I thought that 2 was too much and I didn't want to lose my mind (Past experiences, Mushrooms + Ego Death)

Is there a guideline/rule for decreasing the loops vs increasing them?

If I felt this from 2 loops, I don't think I would be able to do 7 loops or 10. That would not only give me rapid ego death but would most likely give me Vertigo too.

I suppose this is a good thing though, at least I don't have to do a millions loops just to feel something.

(05-29-2018, 05:32 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(05-29-2018, 01:22 AM)Fluffy Wrote:

(05-28-2018, 04:49 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(05-28-2018, 10:17 AM)Fluffy Wrote: @Shannon

I have started DMSI 3.2 A and I am wondering how would I go about using ARA 5.5G, would I need a break from using DMSI, or is it something I get to use and then come back to DMSI?

I have a similar problem that your girlfriend had job wise, mine is over most of my life (30 years) and me not working much and when I have it has mostly been for family and a few odd jobs here and there that I always quit. For a few years now I have found it a challenge to become more independent and self sufficient, and I have got to a place where my parents just give me money, without me having to work, I live at home with parents too.

The whole parents giving me "everything" throughout my life, has made it challenging to become self sufficient, independent money wise and I imagine getting a job my self and earning my "own" money would do wonders for my self esteem, self respect etc

When I read what you said about your girlfriends experience made me wonder if it would help me in this regard.

Every time I start using DMSI, I start feeling like it won't help me in this area, I don't know why, maybe because it is focused on sex, not money lol.

Any thoughts, appreciated.

It is entirely possible that DMSI is pushing you to get up and become self sufficient in order for it to achieve its goals. It is also possible that this is just an excuse to quit DMSI - since it already has SE in it.

DMSI will do whatever is necessary to get you to the goal. Lot if guys here started working on making money, or more money, when they started doing DMSI. But you can't get there if you stop using it.

Be sure you know it's not just clever resistance tactics before you switch. ARA isn't going to be the end all be all to getting a job and being self sufficient.

Yeah that is a very good point Shannon, I don't know why I could not see that.

Likely because your subconscious was preventing your conscious from seeing it in an effort to escape.

Quote:Yesterday after only a few nights of doing 2 loops of A, I started having this kind of dizzy feeling upon waking, I brushed it off and just thought it is because of the extra processing from the 2 loops.

Anyway, I took a nap in the afternoon and I had this dream which involved me interacting with someone in this big caravan type thing, and it starting spinning and spinning with me inside and I was still stationary, but the spinning around me would not stop and I felt fear and felt like I had no control and I got scared and I actually woke up with my heart beating fast, feeling disorientated and thinking "wow that is enough sleep" and I got up.

Shortly after that I started changing my mind about my plans to go abroad and work for 1 year + to become self sufficient and independent, I felt like I started feeling fearful of leaving home and my parents.

I was kind of shocked at how this nap effected me, because I don't hardly ever feel fear, consciously at least. This was quite negatively trippy, reminded me of a certain type of mushroom I used to eat years ago.

So that night, last night, I switched back to 1 loop, because I thought that 2 was too much and I didn't want to lose my mind (Past experiences, Mushrooms + Ego Death)

Is there a guideline/rule for decreasing the loops vs increasing them?

If I felt this from 2 loops, I don't think I would be able to do 7 loops or 10. That would not only give me rapid ego death but would most likely give me Vertigo too.

I suppose this is a good thing though, at least I don't have to do a millions loops just to feel something.

So you start getting results, it scares you, and you back down to what wasn't being effective. That's how to get the results waste your time.

Hiding from what scares you perpetuates and enhances the fear.

You are seeing your subconscious do things to convince you to stop running DMSI. It's afraid. You should do one of the following two things:

1. Stop running DMSI and use something else entirely.
2. Face your fears and overcome them.

(05-29-2018, 06:23 AM)Fluffy Wrote:

(05-29-2018, 05:32 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(05-29-2018, 01:22 AM)Fluffy Wrote:

(05-28-2018, 04:49 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(05-28-2018, 10:17 AM)Fluffy Wrote: @Shannon

I have started DMSI 3.2 A and I am wondering how would I go about using ARA 5.5G, would I need a break from using DMSI, or is it something I get to use and then come back to DMSI?

I have a similar problem that your girlfriend had job wise, mine is over most of my life (30 years) and me not working much and when I have it has mostly been for family and a few odd jobs here and there that I always quit. For a few years now I have found it a challenge to become more independent and self sufficient, and I have got to a place where my parents just give me money, without me having to work, I live at home with parents too.

The whole parents giving me "everything" throughout my life, has made it challenging to become self sufficient, independent money wise and I imagine getting a job my self and earning my "own" money would do wonders for my self esteem, self respect etc

When I read what you said about your girlfriends experience made me wonder if it would help me in this regard.

Every time I start using DMSI, I start feeling like it won't help me in this area, I don't know why, maybe because it is focused on sex, not money lol.

Any thoughts, appreciated.

It is entirely possible that DMSI is pushing you to get up and become self sufficient in order for it to achieve its goals. It is also possible that this is just an excuse to quit DMSI - since it already has SE in it.

DMSI will do whatever is necessary to get you to the goal. Lot if guys here started working on making money, or more money, when they started doing DMSI. But you can't get there if you stop using it.

Be sure you know it's not just clever resistance tactics before you switch. ARA isn't going to be the end all be all to getting a job and being self sufficient.

Yeah that is a very good point Shannon, I don't know why I could not see that.

Likely because your subconscious was preventing your conscious from seeing it in an effort to escape.

Quote:Yesterday after only a few nights of doing 2 loops of A, I started having this kind of dizzy feeling upon waking, I brushed it off and just thought it is because of the extra processing from the 2 loops.

Anyway, I took a nap in the afternoon and I had this dream which involved me interacting with someone in this big caravan type thing, and it starting spinning and spinning with me inside and I was still stationary, but the spinning around me would not stop and I felt fear and felt like I had no control and I got scared and I actually woke up with my heart beating fast, feeling disorientated and thinking "wow that is enough sleep" and I got up.

Shortly after that I started changing my mind about my plans to go abroad and work for 1 year + to become self sufficient and independent, I felt like I started feeling fearful of leaving home and my parents.

I was kind of shocked at how this nap effected me, because I don't hardly ever feel fear, consciously at least. This was quite negatively trippy, reminded me of a certain type of mushroom I used to eat years ago.

So that night, last night, I switched back to 1 loop, because I thought that 2 was too much and I didn't want to lose my mind (Past experiences, Mushrooms + Ego Death)

Is there a guideline/rule for decreasing the loops vs increasing them?

If I felt this from 2 loops, I don't think I would be able to do 7 loops or 10. That would not only give me rapid ego death but would most likely give me Vertigo too.

I suppose this is a good thing though, at least I don't have to do a millions loops just to feel something.

So you start getting results, it scares you, and you back down to what wasn't being effective. That's how to get the results waste your time.

Hiding from what scares you perpetuates and enhances the fear.

You are seeing your subconscious do things to convince you to stop running DMSI. It's afraid. You should do one of the following two things:

1. Stop running DMSI and use something else entirely.
2. Face your fears and overcome them.

Ok, that makes sense. I am currently in a sling at the moment as I had shoulder surgery two weeks ago. Gotta be in this sling for 6 weeks.

I have been feeling ALOT of anger and frustration, as I am unable to do anything and/or get on with things until I am out of sling. I noticed I am being more easily triggered too, things that touch deep within my emotions, that I don't fully understand why.

I did have thoughts that this can only get worse right, if I am unable to fully act?

(05-28-2018, 04:55 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(05-28-2018, 12:43 PM)lano1106 Wrote: Why did it not kick in for me when it would have been useful to have it?

Because for some reason, your subconscious refused to execute it. I can think of only fear as being why, although I don't know what you would fear.

(05-29-2018, 06:52 AM)josh84 Wrote: Hi Shannon, im doing the 7 loops a day first time was last night this morning and will see how i go with it, normally i use headphones for 1-2 loops but to do 7 overnight using speakers from computer.

If i am laying on my side so one ear against the pillow will this lessen the effects of dmsi because only going in one side or it wont matter too much?

Thanks.