Everyone or many here has been helped by iml subliminals even if they dont give us all that the programs are intended to. It helps us healing, and being better, but achieving all the objectives of the programs is not the rule. We are in the way. We keep buying programs and supporting iml because its good for us and we believe in it,  and i think it helps a lot, but as i said, if we would be already at he end of the path, many of us would be rich or would be really happy or sleeping with any girl we want, etc...hope we will get there soon, or at least much more near, or almost there.

I like the simplicity of a single stage, and if the models say it is close or a slight edge to one over 4, then that seems like the best bet to me.

Based on the comments that have emerged since Shannon announced UMS v2 will be 1 or 3 + 1 stages, it shows that UMS is one of the most awaited Subs (besides DMSI, of course: D).

I agree that if UMS is sure to succeed in achieving its goals, even 10 stages will not be a problem. Even though I will choose 1 stage for me personally because of my financial condition.

After using UMS v1, which didn't really work for me, then using OF v1 with newer technology and the effect was more pronounced, I really hope that UMS v2 with much more advanced technology will succeed.

We already spoke about this a few months ago and most people were asking for a 1 stage sub.

Glad to see the models suggest a 1 stage sub could give optimal results. Let's hope a decision is made soon i'll be waiting to buy the 1 stager if it happens.

(04-10-2021, 01:18 PM)Shannon Wrote: All told, I would much prefer to make it a single stage program and get on with other things.  But, the multi-stage option gives is prevention of boredom, which some people have issues with on single stage programs, and it also helps work the user through somethings before exposing them to others.  A more "build the foundation first" approach, which is generally a better approach to things this complex and which trigger this much fear.

Some of the issue we had with v1 is that it's trying to do everything at once, and some of these things are better used in steps, instead of all at once.  One thing leads to the other better than doing both at a time.  Some of it was boredom.  Some of it was resistance.  I think we'll be doing much better with fear and resistance this time around, but I don't see any way out with the other two.  The only way to do them is a multi stage set.

Interesting that the models are showing such a close race between 1 and 3+1.  So far they are both strongly showing merit, and relatively balancing out.  I'll have to start modeling what happens for 1, 3+1 or if I release it for both.  It wouldn't be a lot of difference between a single stage and stage 4, although there would be differences.  Maybe both is the best option.  Will add that to the options I am running through the models.  In the end, we want what works best... because that is what's going to be most worth spending the money on.

I get the feeling the way this has been dragging on forever and it has been so difficult to get anything accomplished that someone or something does not want me to make this.

+1 for a one-stager UMS v2.

Wow this is really interesting, being able to decide the number of stages.

I think we need a little more info before we can weigh in properly.

We need to compare a few things between the 1 vs 4 stage options. Total Price for each option, difficulty and time for Shannon to build, and effectiveness of the subs overall.

I've used both single and multi stage subs in the past. On a multi stage it does build the foundation better and in a certain order, but with these new Gen subs its not just set and forget. You need to follow loops and days on and off as well which may complicate things and throw off the progression to the next stage. Also with multi stage subs the results are usually slower and more gradual, maybe less noticeable to the user.

With the single stage sub I think it's a little easier to stick to a routine and even if you miss a day, you're not delaying the start of another stage. And of course since the sub is going full force from the beginning there's always the chance it could work faster.

I do like the idea of a single stage, but I don't want to sell ourselves short and get a lesser version since this probably won't be updated again for quite some time

@Shannon

Regarding the UMS v2 - 1 stage or 3+1 stages question.

Here's a possibility that may not have been considered:

So all 5.75G subs have a secondary ASRB ratio (i.e use the sub X days on and Y days off).

It may be possible to get around the issue of boredom with a single stage UMS by adding a 3rd order ASRB ratio. For example - use the sub for 3 days on and 5 days off for 80 days - then take an additional 10 days off.

The 15 days off at the end could be enough time to get around the boredom, but not long enough to lose the momentum.

It's worth a shot looking at the models to see if a 3rd order ASRB ratio would increase the effectiveness of the sub - for all the users in general, and specifically for the sub-category of users which experience subconscious boredom.

One stage programs are indeed much easier to run. I just switched from LTU6 to IYE and I realized how much more convenient it is - just one download, very easy to plan the calendar and constant listening time.

That said, if the models were to show a significant difference in effectiveness (it’s still not very clear to me how final the models answer is), effectiveness should always go first, and the effectiveness itself would offset the price difference of course.

(04-11-2021, 10:22 AM)TheGreatAttractor Wrote: @Shannon

Regarding the UMS v2 - 1 stage or 3+1 stages question.

Here's a possibility that may not have been considered:

So all 5.75G subs have a secondary ASRB ratio (i.e use the sub X days on and Y days off).

It may be possible to get around the issue of boredom with a single stage UMS by adding a 3rd order ASRB ratio. For example - use the sub for 3 days on and 5 days off for 80 days - then take an additional 10 days off.

The 15 days off at the end could be enough time to get around the boredom, but not long enough to lose the momentum.

It's worth a shot looking at the models to see if a 3rd order ASRB ratio would increase the effectiveness of the sub - for all the users in general, and specifically for the sub-category of users which experience subconscious boredom.

I was also thinking that the boredom could mean ASRB3 for some time off to execute, get rid of boredom and start another bigger cycle. Shannon always talks about cycles, these are the good ones

And with the 3+1 or single stage: the single stage is cheaper, but (!) we don't want cheap, we want the best results. With the modelling it might be complicated (I don't know exactly how it works) but if you ask question the devil is in the detail:
So if you ask "which program makes more users a millionnaire?" If single stage is a lot cheaper and more people buy it, there is a higher chance that one more person will become a millionnaire. So it might be helpful to ask in percentage of users, not in absolute numbers (in my head the models will be like "you get the answers you asked for, so if you want that, I can also give you that" - yes, I know, the models do not participate in conversation, it was just in my head)

Anyway whichever it is - 3+1 or single -  I wish all of us a lot fun and success with it.

With the 3+1 I was also thinking of a program like the seasons: One is for preparing (clearing out beliefs, etc - baseline programming but starting of manifesting), the second stage is mostly manifesting and the third one is being ready for the harvest, openness to receive the money, but also manifesting.

I want whichever ums2 version is most effective, but it would be nice if it was a single stage. They're just a lot handier to use.

I already do things like those mentioned above to break through boredom or just to work through plateaus after I've done the 3 months. I'll listen an extra day or three and then go a week or two without listening to any subs before restarting them.

I do prefer multi stage.

Of all the multi-stage programs that I have done, the most enjoyable moment was starting a new stage.

Each time, it felt like starting a new program with new effects on its own. The changes provided by the new stage is felt pretty fast after 1-2 days of usage. Then as the 30 days period advance, this changing feeling attenuates as the change is normalized/internalized.

I don't have this progression feeling with single state programs...

No idea how much the feeling that I describe is real and how much of it is placebo but I like it very much...

Shannon could make a test... A multi stage program which is in fact a single stage audio copied x times just to find out the placebo effect vs the real benefits of a true multi-stage program...

Bottomline, I don't really care which is which. The described feeling of progression is what I like the most of multi-stage programs and this is where my vote goes for UMSv2.

(04-10-2021, 09:51 AM)samba99 Wrote: Shannon, I have been getting massive TDI from UMS2. I am currently using AOL.

I would prefer a single stage,not because it's more affordable no. Because I feel I want all of the script at one time. But you know better ofc

This makes no sense since it's not been released.

(04-12-2021, 09:32 AM)GreekGod22 Wrote:

(04-10-2021, 09:51 AM)samba99 Wrote: Shannon, I have been getting massive TDI from UMS2. I am currently using AOL.

I would prefer a single stage,not because it's more affordable no. Because I feel I want all of the script at one time. But you know better ofc

This makes no sense since it's not been released.

go read for TID, it makes very sense because of it is not released

Hey Shannon quick question. Sometime this year or the next, would you consider rebuilding Aura of Sexiness utilizing the same tech from AOL? It would potentially provide a way for people to get a bit of a taste of DMSI without running the full program. Also, it would (I assume) being using similar tech to what is currently available. The same could be done for other aura based programs that are 5G and older.