(09-19-2018, 07:53 AM)CatMan Wrote: It should probably be a focus to get DMSI to work so we actually CAN have all these phantom negative scenarios (ie. like the controversy over the fear of female relatives trying to bang you, lmao classic!) FIRST. Rather than trying to shut down and limit the program, before it even does these things in reality. I too have suspected the AS has been warped in my case to limit the program's effectiveness by labeling women as "pain" etc. It's a possibility for resistance many may have suffered.

With all the problems we've had getting the program to work as it is, cutting down on the ways it can be derailed, will be a good thing.

It'll be a high quality problem if the program can ever work well enough for the crushing majority to do all of that, regardless. I admit I'm not sure that will happen, but we'll see.

It's possible the anti sniper is easier to blame compared to fears and other things that actually block execution.

(09-19-2018, 05:10 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-18-2018, 10:11 PM)Greenduck Wrote: Just curious: is there a script in DMSI that prevent for exemple a friends girlfriend to make a move (If in find her attractive that will say)? That would otherwise be a great way to avoid awkward situations...

No. Not even the anti-sniper will currently do that. Although I could set up the AS to do that. But first, do we really want the anti-sniper or not? Those who don't want it are convinced it is responsible for reducing the program effectiveness. The rest are convinced it saves them from all sorts of nasty situations.

The guys who blame it sounds like guys who blame stuff.

(09-19-2018, 11:07 AM)Greenduck Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 05:10 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-18-2018, 10:11 PM)Greenduck Wrote: Just curious: is there a script in DMSI that prevent for exemple a friends girlfriend to make a move (If in find her attractive that will say)? That would otherwise be a great way to avoid awkward situations...

No. Not even the anti-sniper will currently do that. Although I could set up the AS to do that. But first, do we really want the anti-sniper or not? Those who don't want it are convinced it is responsible for reducing the program effectiveness. The rest are convinced it saves them from all sorts of nasty situations.

The guys who blame it sounds like guys who blame stuff.

On the other hand the guys who want it sound like they are too fearful.

(09-19-2018, 06:21 AM)Roy Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 05:58 AM)Kol Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 05:43 AM)Have at ye Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 05:10 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-18-2018, 10:11 PM)Greenduck Wrote: Just curious: is there a script in DMSI that prevent for exemple a friends girlfriend to make a move (If in find her attractive that will say)? That would otherwise be a great way to avoid awkward situations...

No. Not even the anti-sniper will currently do that. Although I could set up the AS to do that. But first, do we really want the anti-sniper or not? Those who don't want it are convinced it is responsible for reducing the program effectiveness. The rest are convinced it saves them from all sorts of nasty situations.

I used to be a proponent of the anti-sniper, because I could see it work on ver. 3.1, but now I'm no longer - and it's not due to the fact that it would decrease the program's efficiency (it didn't).

I simply believe it to be unnecessary, given all the other safeties in place.

Also, when a person would have been affected by the AS heavily enough - and it's not turned on - they're only going to get the baseline anyway - and in case of any unwanted attention, I can deal with that on my own well enough (and so does anybody else, for that matter), I think.

Pretty much this. It makes life more exciting and "forces" you to be responsible yourself. Like now im feeling everyone being attracted to me. Also, the gf of a friend of mine is showing increasing IOIs, starstruck trance moments. I just dont do anything with her, because idgaf if something happens or not.

It might be also one of the reasons I feel DMSI 3.2 is stronger.

Getting STDs and rape charges doesn't make life exciting.Dealing with insane women doesn't make life better.Anti sniper is for extreme cases.

^^This. I have been for a while with a girl on chat who said she separated from her bf. But two days ago she sounded like there have been somehow together (again?). And somehow she said he has been very jealous and stuff and wanted my contact details and she gave him. Well, I didn't hear from that guy (maybe USLM saved me, lol) and I don't know what will happen but THAT is some of the situations I would like an anti-sniper for. Only for extreme cases, not this unhappiness stuff which was well meant but too vague and would probably lead to everyone inexperienced to some degrading results.

(09-19-2018, 11:42 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 11:07 AM)Greenduck Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 05:10 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-18-2018, 10:11 PM)Greenduck Wrote: Just curious: is there a script in DMSI that prevent for exemple a friends girlfriend to make a move (If in find her attractive that will say)? That would otherwise be a great way to avoid awkward situations...

No. Not even the anti-sniper will currently do that. Although I could set up the AS to do that. But first, do we really want the anti-sniper or not? Those who don't want it are convinced it is responsible for reducing the program effectiveness. The rest are convinced it saves them from all sorts of nasty situations.

The guys who blame it sounds like guys who blame stuff.

On the other hand the guys who want it sound like they are too fearful.

Nope. Just comfortable enough to not want to deal with unnecessary drama.

(09-19-2018, 12:00 PM)Greenduck Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 11:42 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 11:07 AM)Greenduck Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 05:10 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-18-2018, 10:11 PM)Greenduck Wrote: Just curious: is there a script in DMSI that prevent for exemple a friends girlfriend to make a move (If in find her attractive that will say)? That would otherwise be a great way to avoid awkward situations...

No. Not even the anti-sniper will currently do that. Although I could set up the AS to do that. But first, do we really want the anti-sniper or not? Those who don't want it are convinced it is responsible for reducing the program effectiveness. The rest are convinced it saves them from all sorts of nasty situations.

The guys who blame it sounds like guys who blame stuff.

On the other hand the guys who want it sound like they are too fearful.

Nope. Just comfortable enough to not want to deal with unnecessary drama.

Right. I’ll take my chances.

Like I said, AS for dangerous stuff is well and good, “unnecessary drama” is too easily misinterpreted. “This girl is acting illogical! Unnecessary drama!” Like that.

(09-19-2018, 12:27 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 12:00 PM)Greenduck Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 11:42 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 11:07 AM)Greenduck Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 05:10 AM)Shannon Wrote: No. Not even the anti-sniper will currently do that. Although I could set up the AS to do that. But first, do we really want the anti-sniper or not? Those who don't want it are convinced it is responsible for reducing the program effectiveness. The rest are convinced it saves them from all sorts of nasty situations.

The guys who blame it sounds like guys who blame stuff.

On the other hand the guys who want it sound like they are too fearful.

Nope. Just comfortable enough to not want to deal with unnecessary drama.

Right. I’ll take my chances.

Like I said, AS for dangerous stuff is well and good, “unnecessary drama” is too easily misinterpreted. “This girl is acting illogical! Unnecessary drama!” Like that.

I’m pretty sure Shannon would use some more refine scripting, perhaps based on some different scenarios, rather than putting “unnecessary drama” right in there.

(09-19-2018, 11:42 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 11:07 AM)Greenduck Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 05:10 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-18-2018, 10:11 PM)Greenduck Wrote: Just curious: is there a script in DMSI that prevent for exemple a friends girlfriend to make a move (If in find her attractive that will say)? That would otherwise be a great way to avoid awkward situations...

No. Not even the anti-sniper will currently do that. Although I could set up the AS to do that. But first, do we really want the anti-sniper or not? Those who don't want it are convinced it is responsible for reducing the program effectiveness. The rest are convinced it saves them from all sorts of nasty situations.

The guys who blame it sounds like guys who blame stuff.

On the other hand the guys who want it sound like they are too fearful.

I have to agree here with Sarge, though I will be careful in the way I say this. This isn't meant as a flame (which obviously would break the rules) and I hope it isn't taken that way. I'm just going to point out a few things:

(1) I remember when it was announced that the AS wouldn't be in 3.2 and it seemed like some of the forums were upset saying this would be a bad decision. Well, 3.2 came out without the AS and nothing bad happened that I have recalled to the people who actually executed (I would include myself there when I went on my trip). If a woman started acting uppity I know for myself I would just break contact with her and move on to the next woman. Its not that hard to do. When you have the power in the relationship, higher value, and know you have an abundance of options its not that hard to leave someone really. As for STDs/HIV I think some here will remember that I gave a complete chard on the chances of condom breaking (Which you should be wearing one anyway) and you sleeping with someone who has STDs/HIV is very stupidly low and is the chance of them having a sexual disease is highly depended on how many sexual partners they have had in the past.

(2) My rational is in align with Catman's pretty much. Lets worry about actually having everyone execute first before we waste power on something we aren't even sure we even need. If Crazy women start becoming a problem (which I don't know why you can't deal with that in the first place) then we can consider using some power for that. As someone else mentioned I rather have the power spent on trying to get these other men not to get in physical fights with me and persuade them to become co-operative instead. That seems to be a bigger problem (which has been said in journals for quite a while now) then having to deal with crazy women and the low chances of encountering someone with a sexual disease. Did you know that the Prevalence rate of HIV/AIDs in the US, for example, is only .30% of the population. So chances of a condom breaking ( seen anywhere from 10-15%) and you having sex with a person from that group (only .30% of the population) is stupidly low. For Europe its mostly even lower.

(3) If It comes to a point where it becomes a problem I would like to add a nice suggestion , similar to what I suggested the last time this subject came up, why not have some kind of "Spider sense" as it were. Where the subconscious notices that there is something wrong with this woman and then communicates to your conscious that there is something wrong with this particular person. It could just be an intuitive feeling that something is wrong with the person for example. At that point the user has the option to proceed or reject the person at their leisure. Problem is solved without stepping on people's toes. Granted, I could see a issue with that suggest as well. What if the subconscious resists by giving false positives? Though that could be said of the AS being used by resistance (haven't experienced it myself but Catman could have it right on this point).

Agree with DarkXedonias.

I even remember people harping on me for getting sexual with that herpes girl and yet I'm STD free. Not condoning my actions, rather pointing out that if you're careful you will be fine.


As for the fear of "drama". Come on guys, who here is an alpha male? If you consider yourself one then grow a spine and deal with the women as an alpha would. Alphas don't need anti-snipers.

It makes sense that UM and LM might not work together. UM could be interpreted as "If I don't do it nothing/No one will" and I'M could be interpreted as " the situation will conveniently work out somehow". Two conflicting veiwpoints. That's very crude, or outright wrong, but it helped me make sense of the possibility of issues.

(09-19-2018, 04:59 AM)Shannon Wrote: With each step, we find and correct more issues. Right now there is the issue of understanding what the fear removal modules are doing and making them work quickly enough for me to achieve design spec.

But so far, overall, B17 is performing beautifully - if perhaps working a little too well on the naturalizer aspect.

Hey @Shannon can you expand on that point. I kind of scratched my head when I read that part. Didn't know that you acting like you've always been that way could be taken too far.

Also, I wanted to ask since I'm curious, since you are working on 3.3 at the same time as testing out beast will you be putting in the 2nd/3rd part of the Magnus engine relatively soon? I remember you said that part will probably be the most time consuming part to transport to the skeleton script. Also, You have explained the concept behind reality bending but I don't remember any place where you mentioned the concept behind what the Magnus Engine does. Could you could give a little detail about it or the benefits of having it in a sub? I will understand if you can't give much info though because of trade secrets and all that.

(09-19-2018, 10:27 AM)Greenduck Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 08:37 AM)Broski Wrote:

(09-19-2018, 04:57 AM)Shannon Wrote: So basically you have a fear based feedback loop that you have focused on yourself, for infinite replay-ability. Congrats, you're afraid of yourself.

How many loops a day are you using USLM for?

I don't think there is a need to make fun of me/the situation. I am trying to be honest and open with you here and don't really appreciate that. It's not like I intentionally tried to create the situation and it hasn't exactly been pleasant. I have been doing 1 loop a day.

Dude he didn't make fun of you, he just assessed the situation, stated a fact and made it on a humorous note. It's on you that you take it as offensive.

The "Congratulations" part comes off in sort of monkish way, and despite the facts of the matter the situation is not very humorous to me considering the suffering it has caused me. Even if he didn't mean it that way I feel like it could have been better worded. It is whatever now though, I'm not going to hold it against him.

I've had (random) women grinding me on the public-transport which I didn't mind because I was attracted to them. But having an unpleasant interaction with a woman/girl who is underaged or who you simply aren't attracted to but she won't "back off". Or in the case where an acquaintance's GF won't stop looking at you to the point where he (the acquaintance/BF) looks at you with anger and looks at you like he's going to kill you. That makes you more of an advocate for avoiding those interactions.

Given these experiences and more as well I'm very much advocating for an anti-sniper module in every possible way.

If the next version is supposed to overcome most/all resistance I believe it to be necessary to have the anti-sniper in it.

As far I know the statement is based on how much the woman's situation(s) and behaviors would be affecting your happiness, and in that case, I'm happy with that statement.

I see the AS as preemptive. Imagine there's a girl who's manipulative, wants to string you along or just generally give you a hard time. Would you really rather go through all that then realize she sucks vs just not even having to deal with it? I get it, if you're alpha you can deal with it, but why would you? Unless you're willing to go through all that crap just to have sex. What if the end result was always a crappy time regardless of what you did?

But I generally agree with leaving it out until everyone is executing fully. We've seen the creative liberties the subconscious has made in the past. But I think as a concept the AS is good. Some people are really good at hiding their intentions no matter how perceptive you think you are and it only becomes apparent once you're sucked into their crap.