Shannon, how far back into the past does TID affect its user? I was getting some turbulence that seemed greater than normal this past several days. I think I'm just going to stop 3.2 for now

My subconscious pinpoints 3.2A as safe in contrast to version B, meaning, thinking about B gives me an escape in A. @Shannon, would you say, stick with A to weed out this fear, and thus, going into comfort, or would you say, run B, shake the subc up?

(08-30-2018, 03:50 AM)Kol Wrote: My subconscious pinpoints 3.2A as safe in contrast to version B, meaning, thinking about B gives me an escape in A. @Shannon, would you say, stick with A to weed out this fear, and thus, going into comfort, or would you say, run B, shake the subc up?

Heh, it's difficult to tell, actually.

On one hand, if you're resisting ver. A less, I'd say go with ver. A. On the other hand, if your subC is trying to use the healing aspect of ver. A to delay full execution, then I'd say white-knuckle it out with ver. B.

Thus, I'd recommend the switcharoo! Try cycling between the two versions and see what happens. Something's gotta give, sooner or later.

A and B version are night and day in difference to me. Cant remember my running of B from last time tbh. Not much resistance, just dulling out at times. It made me miss my business drive, and entrepreneur mindset.

Due this contrast in A and B, there is fear in what I accomplished on A. Also, fear is dug up around comfort. Its pretty Obvious to me now.

(08-29-2018, 05:50 PM)Broski Wrote:

(08-29-2018, 05:43 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-29-2018, 05:39 PM)Broski Wrote:

(08-29-2018, 03:44 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-29-2018, 11:19 AM)Zane Wrote: Shannon what do u think about (STMA+OPA) 5.5G sub? I know I am nagging about since past 365 days (Before ur cycle started).

If u ever decided to make it then 0lease make both A and B version.

It's a possibility, but not for right now. At the moment, I have to overcome what has these two programs bogged down, work on and build 3.3, finish, build and test B17, rebuild USLM-B (apparently), and build UMOP-A.

Why do you need to rebuild US/LM B? Just wondering cause I am currently running it

Technically, I don't. But there is an ASS/ART module that is turned off that some people will probably benefit from, so I'll be rebuilding it with that module active.

I see. I take it that module helps to deal with resistance? If so I def think I could personally benefit. Have been having some MAJOR fear and anxiety coming up over certain things. Not directly success related fears per se, but certain big fears and issues that ive struggled with in the past have sprouted up and magnified in intensity lately

It is an Anti-Self Sabotage/Anti-Resistance Module designed, among other things, to prevent escape by giving your conscious a "reason" (in this case, infection) to switch to another sub (in this case, MIR).

(08-29-2018, 06:08 PM)Broski Wrote: Also, I noticed in your US/LM journal that you said you are currently working on LTU 5.5. Sounds pretty dang sweet with everything thats included in it. I actually think for my own personal goals and issues I need to work on that sub will be the best match for me out of anything offered here currently. Would there be any problem with switching straight from US/LM to LTU when it comes out since US/LM is included in it?

Thanks for your time and effort!

Just to reiterate, I am not sure I can actually make it all work together. That's part of whats's stagnating it.

And as with any 5.5G sub (except E2), you will have to take a break between subs to prevent turbulence. The way the subs are built is different, because the LTU is attempting to prevent that turbulence.

(08-29-2018, 06:59 PM)K-Train Wrote: Hey Shannon, I'm not sure whether this is TID or whatever but I feel it might be useful as you're designing 3.3.

Yesterday (and this morning) I experienced an almost completely lack of fear. Prime example: bad storm yesterday and lightening loudly cracked through close by and I didn't even break stride while I was in the rain taking out trash. May not be a big deal to anyone else, but it was for me. I was closing at my job yesterday and I felt so peaceful due to the lack of fear that I sat down on the floor and just took it all in. Zero f*cks given. I wasn't even concerned about my throat which I believe got badly irritated by consuming real spicy shit and has had me slightly worried for the last few days.

Got on campus today, was still in zero % fear mode (aka Ultra Instinct) but I then started doing 2 things:

1. When I saw attractive chicks I thought "I'm in a relationship I shouldn't approach". I'm not in a relationship, I was THINKING of getting into one [a relationship] with one female I'd been conversing with but she explicitly told me it's ok if I see other women.

2. The actions/routines/thought patterns that I had been engaging with for years due to fear suddenly felt foreign. For example, I sometimes get anxiety over my health so things like my throat being badly irritated would sometimes worry me. Well, because I had no fear around the irritation I kept thinking "shouldn't I be afraid that I'm not worried about anything?" Basically a sizable portion of my life had been built around fear to the point to where once that fear was gone it was like part of "me" was gone. I had become so accustomed to having fear that the LACK of fear...was causing FEAR because I was thinking of what was going to happen when the fear came back.


Concerning example #1: I know way back in V3.1/V3.0 you warned everyone who was in a relationship and wanted to keep it that there would come a point in time where DMSI was going to make such a thing extremely difficult. I think now would be a good time to make this happen because "I'm in relationship" could be a useful escape tactic.

Concerning example #2: I know most if not all 5.5G tech has a naturalizer but perhaps a naturalizer directly linked to fear removal would be useful?

PS: Related to what @samba99 said, PLEASE take your time with V3.3. We've learned our lesson by now. Take the time you need to test B17 if it means us possibly getting better tech with V3.3. There's a good chance we may not get V3.4/final for quite some time afterwards and I'm sure everyone would be more than happy to have a V3.3 that's got a full squadron of the latest tech and has the greatest chance of setting up V3.4 to (hopefully) be the final version needed.

Interesting indeed. Thanks for the information, I've made a note of that.

And I am taking my time. I am working hard on finishing B17 up right now. My girlfriend is starting to complain because of the amount of time each day I am working, actually. It's not going as fast as I would like, but I am hoping to be done in a week or less. I want to build and test that, and then potentially use some of these modules I am developing in 3.3. There are some that look really interesting for what they might achieve for DMSI. That will add at least 2 weeks to the build time for 3.3. I think it will be worth it.

(08-29-2018, 08:24 PM)dissonance Wrote: Shannon, how far back into the past does TID affect its user? I was getting some turbulence that seemed greater than normal this past several days. I think I'm just going to stop 3.2 for now

The current P6 typically reaches back as far as 35 days, but depends on the resistance level. If the person resists the program completely, they may not experience it at all; if they resist, but not completely, depending on what they resist, it may be even longer.

It is also a possibility that something I add in the future may make TID harder to perceive.

(08-30-2018, 03:50 AM)Kol Wrote: My subconscious pinpoints 3.2A as safe in contrast to version B, meaning, thinking about B gives me an escape in A. @Shannon, would you say, stick with A to weed out this fear, and thus, going into comfort, or would you say, run B, shake the subc up?

I would say, switch off each week of use to get the best of both worlds. Star with B.

(08-30-2018, 05:54 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-29-2018, 06:59 PM)K-Train Wrote: Hey Shannon, I'm not sure whether this is TID or whatever but I feel it might be useful as you're designing 3.3.

Yesterday (and this morning) I experienced an almost completely lack of fear. Prime example: bad storm yesterday and lightening loudly cracked through close by and I didn't even break stride while I was in the rain taking out trash. May not be a big deal to anyone else, but it was for me. I was closing at my job yesterday and I felt so peaceful due to the lack of fear that I sat down on the floor and just took it all in. Zero f*cks given. I wasn't even concerned about my throat which I believe got badly irritated by consuming real spicy shit and has had me slightly worried for the last few days.

Got on campus today, was still in zero % fear mode (aka Ultra Instinct) but I then started doing 2 things:

1. When I saw attractive chicks I thought "I'm in a relationship I shouldn't approach". I'm not in a relationship, I was THINKING of getting into one [a relationship] with one female I'd been conversing with but she explicitly told me it's ok if I see other women.

2. The actions/routines/thought patterns that I had been engaging with for years due to fear suddenly felt foreign. For example, I sometimes get anxiety over my health so things like my throat being badly irritated would sometimes worry me. Well, because I had no fear around the irritation I kept thinking "shouldn't I be afraid that I'm not worried about anything?" Basically a sizable portion of my life had been built around fear to the point to where once that fear was gone it was like part of "me" was gone. I had become so accustomed to having fear that the LACK of fear...was causing FEAR because I was thinking of what was going to happen when the fear came back.


Concerning example #1: I know way back in V3.1/V3.0 you warned everyone who was in a relationship and wanted to keep it that there would come a point in time where DMSI was going to make such a thing extremely difficult. I think now would be a good time to make this happen because "I'm in relationship" could be a useful escape tactic.

Concerning example #2: I know most if not all 5.5G tech has a naturalizer but perhaps a naturalizer directly linked to fear removal would be useful?

PS: Related to what @samba99 said, PLEASE take your time with V3.3. We've learned our lesson by now. Take the time you need to test B17 if it means us possibly getting better tech with V3.3. There's a good chance we may not get V3.4/final for quite some time afterwards and I'm sure everyone would be more than happy to have a V3.3 that's got a full squadron of the latest tech and has the greatest chance of setting up V3.4 to (hopefully) be the final version needed.

Interesting indeed. Thanks for the information, I've made a note of that.

And I am taking my time. I am working hard on finishing B17 up right now. My girlfriend is starting to complain because of the amount of time each day I am working, actually. It's not going as fast as I would like, but I am hoping to be done in a week or less. I want to build and test that, and then potentially use some of these modules I am developing in 3.3. There are some that look really interesting for what they might achieve for DMSI. That will add at least 2 weeks to the build time for 3.3. I think it will be worth it.

Does B17 stand a good chance of being the final version of Beast?

(08-30-2018, 05:47 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-29-2018, 06:08 PM)Broski Wrote: Also, I noticed in your US/LM journal that you said you are currently working on LTU 5.5. Sounds pretty dang sweet with everything thats included in it. I actually think for my own personal goals and issues I need to work on that sub will be the best match for me out of anything offered here currently. Would there be any problem with switching straight from US/LM to LTU when it comes out since US/LM is included in it?

Thanks for your time and effort!

Just to reiterate, I am not sure I can actually make it all work together. That's part of whats's stagnating it.

And as with any 5.5G sub (except E2), you will have to take a break between subs to prevent turbulence. The way the subs are built is different, because the LTU is attempting to prevent that turbulence.

I see, well I wish you the best of LUCK(see what I did there) in figuring it out!

How long of a break does one need again between 5.5g subs?

(08-30-2018, 08:13 AM)Broski Wrote:

(08-30-2018, 05:47 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-29-2018, 06:08 PM)Broski Wrote: Also, I noticed in your US/LM journal that you said you are currently working on LTU 5.5. Sounds pretty dang sweet with everything thats included in it. I actually think for my own personal goals and issues I need to work on that sub will be the best match for me out of anything offered here currently. Would there be any problem with switching straight from US/LM to LTU when it comes out since US/LM is included in it?

Thanks for your time and effort!

Just to reiterate, I am not sure I can actually make it all work together. That's part of whats's stagnating it.

And as with any 5.5G sub (except E2), you will have to take a break between subs to prevent turbulence. The way the subs are built is different, because the LTU is attempting to prevent that turbulence.

I see, well I wish you the best of LUCK(see what I did there) in figuring it out!

How long of a break does one need again between 5.5g subs?

You will need 35 days for subs that have P6 in them. Subs released before 3.2 only need a 21 day break.

Hey Shannon, new as a commenter to the forum here (although not IML subs). Had a comment and a question on DMSI. As someone who didn't execute on DMSI 3.01-3.2, one thing I did notice was the role of fear in blocking progress. In 3.2 in particular, the fear actually manifested physically in what I can only describe as a stress overload response. For the first time in my life, I would get random surges of what I can only describe as swirling energy beginning around the stomach and moving up to the chest, lungs, and throat, creating what felt like internal pressure and making it hard to breathe. Initially began while listening to the sub but then would get it randomly throughout the day. My interpretation was this was the body seizing up due to intense fear/stress. Also experienced the weight gain that many others noted in 3.1 (roughly 25 pounds in my case, just now making progress on losing it while using US/LM). Hopefully this is helpful while you're working on 3.3.

On the question front, I remember you considering adding OED or IER while you were working on 3.2. Would you consider adding IER to 3.3? I'm someone who has had success with OED, but the results weren't permanent, so I'm hoping that when the rest of DMSI executes, there will also be a component to ensure we seal the deal so to speak. Thank you.

(08-30-2018, 10:22 AM)Vasil Wrote: Hey Shannon, new as a commenter to the forum here (although not IML subs). Had a comment and a question on DMSI. As someone who didn't execute on DMSI 3.01-3.2, one thing I did notice was the role of fear in blocking progress. In 3.2 in particular, the fear actually manifested physically in what I can only describe as a stress overload response. For the first time in my life, I would get random surges of what I can only describe as swirling energy beginning around the stomach and moving up to the chest, lungs, and throat, creating what felt like internal pressure and making it hard to breathe. Initially began while listening to the sub but then would get it randomly throughout the day. My interpretation was this was the body seizing up due to intense fear/stress. Also experienced the weight gain that many others noted in 3.1 (roughly 25 pounds in my case, just now making progress on losing it while using US/LM). Hopefully this is helpful while you're working on 3.3.

On the question front, I remember you considering adding OED or IER while you were working on 3.2. Would you consider adding IER to 3.3? I'm someone who has had success with OED, but the results weren't permanent, so I'm hoping that when the rest of DMSI executes, there will also be a component to ensure we seal the deal so to speak. Thank you.

I totally resonate with the bold part during my 3.2 run too.