(03-18-2018, 10:36 PM)Light Wrote: [ -> ]Seriously guys now the problem is the sub doesn’t give you the choice to mastubate?!!
Dont you read the journals and see that how many users who decide to masturbate will do so anyways?and many will do it exactly 3times in one day (including myself when I was resisting) as a form of resisting.
So why are you writing in your journal that you got rid of porn and fapping with this sub while telling me the opposite?
(03-18-2018, 10:36 PM)Light Wrote: [ -> ]What will be the alternative? keep masturbating and watch porn as a form of escapism?
How this is an escape when listening to the sub makes me want to fap more not the other way?
(03-18-2018, 10:36 PM)Light Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t really get it!
Looks like that.
Anyway, today in a social settings I noticed again that I simply don't have a clue how to be social. I tried to start to talk to people but it was more awkward than anything else. I don't really wonder anymore that women loose interest in me as far I start talking to them. I also started asking myself if I started to resist the ART modules more than the goal of this sub at all.
(03-20-2018, 01:47 PM)Mr. Anderson Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2018, 10:36 PM)Light Wrote: [ -> ]Seriously guys now the problem is the sub doesn’t give you the choice to mastubate?!!
Dont you read the journals and see that how many users who decide to masturbate will do so anyways?and many will do it exactly 3times in one day (including myself when I was resisting) as a form of resisting.
So why are you writing in your journal that you got rid of porn and fapping with this sub while telling me the opposite?
(03-18-2018, 10:36 PM)Light Wrote: [ -> ]What will be the alternative? keep masturbating and watch porn as a form of escapism?
How this is an escape when listening to the sub makes me want to fap more not the other way?
(03-18-2018, 10:36 PM)Light Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t really get it!
Looks like that.
Anyway, today in a social settings I noticed again that I simply don't have a clue how to be social. I tried to start to talk to people but it was more awkward than anything else. I don't really wonder anymore that women loose interest in me as far I start talking to them. I also started asking myself if I started to resist the ART modules more than the goal of this sub at all.
To your first question, subliminals are a set of affirmations that you can accept or reject. Nobody is taking your choice from you. Many users of DMSI are still fapping.
I wrote in my journal that I do not fap or watch porn because the sub helps me in staying solid and not fapping. It doesn’t strip me of my freedom to fap or not to fap.
To your second question, I am not Shannon to answer the question why the sub gives you the urge to fap. One logical answer would be still that you are resisting the sub, which explains excessive fapping all of a sudden. Interesting enough when I was resisting 3.1 i was fapping 3times a day just like you did. And then I was feeling drained and had no willingness to do anything with regards to women. But that is just me. Everyone of us ticks differently!
To your third comment, I don’t want to engage in any negativity. If you felt offended. I apologise. I didn’t mean it negatively.
(03-20-2018, 03:08 PM)Light Wrote: [ -> ]To your first question, subliminals are a set of affirmations that you can accept or reject. Nobody is taking your choice from you. Many users of DMSI are still fapping.
I wrote in my journal that I do not fap or watch porn because the sub helps me in staying solid and not fapping. It doesn’t strip me of my freedom to fap or not to fap.
To your second question, I am not Shannon to answer the question why the sub gives you the urge to fap. One logical answer would be still that you are resisting the sub, which explains excessive fapping all of a sudden. Interesting enough when I was resisting 3.1 i was fapping 3times a day just like you did. And then I was feeling drained and had no willingness to do anything with regards to women. But that is just me. Everyone of us ticks differently!
To your third comment, I don’t want to engage in any negativity. If you felt offended. I apologise. I didn’t mean it negatively.
First at all I think I indeed felt somehow offended but I realized that my answer was a bit aggressive, too. So I apologize if it came across this way as it isn't my intention to start a war with other members. I think it is simply the frustration speaking out of me.
When it comes to the other stuff so I didn't have such reactions to the other versions - and I did all of them. So that's why I think it is this module which is causing such resistance. I think it is not only the conscious disliking but I probably feel somehow offended by such a restriction. And it reminds me of rule 4 stuff which forbid all the nice things in life.
Anyway, I think I stop posting for now as most stuff is negative anyway.
By the way, good results with 3.2!
I didn't want to update due to the negativity but I decided to write an update just in case Shannon can pull something useful out of this. After almost a week without subs I started to feel really good and decided to run 3.2 B again. After few days listening again sleeplessness came back, I felt tired all the time and become so negative that I think I literally turned PTPA into NTNA. I wasn't that concerned about the masturbation thing anymore but I also wasn't concerned about anything at all. Like it doesn't matter anyway.
With Version A something changed and I didn't notice the negativity anymore but it's not like I got results. I feel good in a certain way, somehow....cozy.... and I feel like I could stay all the day long in bed and dream. Not really interested in anything. I feel more like "Develop a Zen Attidude" than anything else and this is not why I started this sub. Had two dreams I remember, the first one was about a toilet full of shit. I read that it could mean financial prosperity on a material level as well as getting rid of shit on psychological level (this was on B). The second one was about a family member having a brain tumor which made me instantly cry after waking up (on A).
I am thinking a lot about running AM again as I am really missing the strength I got from (I encountered several situations where I felt helpless, like a baby, so I think there is a part of me which got stuck in early childhood) but I am somehow feeling guilty because Shannon put so much work into this sub and build so many versions and I still can't get to the goal, not even close to. I also notice that there is an instance in me which want to get the permission to run AM instead of DMSI even if I know I don't need a permission from anyone to run another sub.
Here some thoughts I have had:
- Insomnia: This is something that can bring me to stop any sub if it is lasting for longer. Partially it seemed to be caused due to high energy when the girlfriend of my neighbour were at his place (sniper?). I don't know if this is something that can be fixed but I wanted to mention
- Gender neutrality: I don't think this is causing issues at all but it also prevents from optimizing the sub for men. So I would suggest to make this sub for men only (the future version for couples may not need that much optimizing so it could stay universal) and adding some kind of "core-masculinity-module" which would strenghts the basic masculinity in every man and add some dominance for these who like submissive women.
So far for now.
I continued listening to A and yesterday during the day I saw some IOI's again and felt not bad at all. Then later I listened to DMSI and afterwards felt like I am burning out. Today was very similar. Don't know if this is resistance or maybe some detoxing symptoms but if this is resistance then it is the strongest resistance I ever experienced (as far I remember). I can only hope that it gets better soon, really not much energy left to continue this forever with all the tiredness. Tomorrow is my sub-free day.
Had some IOI's again, two women were talking to me and it seemed like they wanted to talk more but I didn't know what to say. But the tiredness reached an insane level, almost feeling like a zombie.
Yesterday night at the salsa class I have had a girl telling me that I am her favourite dance partner. She already said it last week and I have the impression that she is somehow interested, but cannot tell for sure (by the way she is seriously overweight and I am not really interested). Had todays IOI's again, especially foot points. One woman has taken off her shoe and displayed her foot sole in my direction. The thing is that I have the impression that this version is capable of giving me a lot of progress but I seem to have an insane amount of resistance. For example yesterday after the dance class I had an huge amount of anger, especially because of the nofap module (I am still hoping there will be a better solution in 3.3) and last night I only slept for about 3 hours so I really need more sleep. Today I decided to take a extra day off and now I feel much more positive. Regardless, tomorrow I will do a loop again.
Another thing I noticed, the Sleeping Aid sub works usually very good for me but at days like yesterday it is like it made anything worse. I assume that the calculated listening time is too much for me and therefore I am overwhelmed, like my brain can't take additional input. So autoconfig for listening time and track would be great in the next version. So far.
Quote:The third thing came in my mind which I was already aware of was the "I-don't-know-what-to-do"-factor. My bad social skills and lack of experience makes all the game very unpredictable. But I guess only experience and time will make this point better.
Quote: After few minutes standing there I noticed IOI's from her and then noticed that she came closer and closer in my direction....and then....simply bumped into me. Later she increased the distance again. This make me think that she wanted to approach me but had no clue what to do. So I guess the communication part between affected and user is the weakest point of the sub. The sub probably required to tell her more detailed what to do and how (and make the user able to respond), instead bumping into the user, lol.
Quote:Had some IOI's again, two women were talking to me and it seemed like they wanted to talk more but I didn't know what to say
Hi Mr Anderson. This seems like to be a real issue. Not knowing what to do and handle a social one-on-one meeting in a seductive manner.
I have had that issue my whole life too and at one point I realized that even if a miracle occurs and I get a clear chance with a girl, nothing would happen at the end of the day because of "not-knowing-what-to-do".
The other day I sort of got forced into a date and yup I noticed how much it is an hindrance. Not that I was expecting anything, anyway.
I've seen this issue on CatMan's journal too. That's tricky because that kinda put DMSI to waste.
How about finding a workaround ?
(04-08-2018, 07:59 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ] (04-08-2018, 07:02 AM)Mr. Anderson Wrote: [ -> ] (04-08-2018, 06:24 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, Shannon.
The proof is in the pudding.
It's certainly not a "magic bullet". You can't tell me that quitting porn will magically make me attract a ton of women, because we both know that's not true.
Exactly. I mean here are people who masturbate before the date and still get laid and there are a lot of nofap people who don't get laid.
What about momentum? Of course someone which has already planned a date while get laid as per usual for him, regardless of if he fapped or not. The ball was already sent down the hill.
The body works in a cyclical manner. It's only after the next tick that you know how disastrous or advantageous retaining or spilling the semen is. You may fap every day for a week right now, and have a great time many weeks after that. Because you already had a momentum and jerking off didn't stop it. But eventually down the road you will reap the consequences.
As I have said and found out, these sort of stuff take effects as they build up. Both beneficial and unwanted effects.
The last time I jerked off I still kept a high mental clarify for days. I was actually tempted to think that releasing DID make things better. Until I went with 2-3 weeks of very poor mental power many, many days after. Even though I was still retaining during those times!!
I am not saying "no porn/fap = getting pussy", as Sarge said it's not a magic bullet, there's no such thing in this world. However I just wanted to react on what I highlighted in bold. It seems real changes don't happen with magic bullets but through a row of small steps. Avoiding porn may be one of those steps.
However, I am curious to know what's Shannon basis for being so much against porn/masturbation. There may be something we are unaware of.
Momentum can improve or worse everything. Again, if someone wants nofap/noporn and is satisfied with then I am fine with. But for me it is still natural, even apes masturbate, lol. Just overdoing things is always a problem and this is something that could be covered by the script, but not fap/porn in general.
(04-08-2018, 08:42 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:The third thing came in my mind which I was already aware of was the "I-don't-know-what-to-do"-factor. My bad social skills and lack of experience makes all the game very unpredictable. But I guess only experience and time will make this point better.
Quote: After few minutes standing there I noticed IOI's from her and then noticed that she came closer and closer in my direction....and then....simply bumped into me. Later she increased the distance again. This make me think that she wanted to approach me but had no clue what to do. So I guess the communication part between affected and user is the weakest point of the sub. The sub probably required to tell her more detailed what to do and how (and make the user able to respond), instead bumping into the user, lol.
Quote:Had some IOI's again, two women were talking to me and it seemed like they wanted to talk more but I didn't know what to say
Hi Mr Anderson. This seems like to be a real issue. Not knowing what to do and handle a social one-on-one meeting in a seductive manner.
I have had that issue my whole life too and at one point I realized that even if a miracle occurs and I get a clear chance with a girl, nothing would happen at the end of the day because of "not-knowing-what-to-do".
The other day I sort of got forced into a date and yup I noticed how much it is an hindrance. Not that I was expecting anything, anyway.
I've seen this issue on CatMan's journal too. That's tricky because that kinda put DMSI to waste.
How about finding a workaround ?
That
IS an issue. I have tried to memorize things to be able to say something but when I enter the situation I somehow still "forget" what to say in most cases. And in the minority of cases where I know what to say I simply don't say anything, some sort of self sabotage I guess. So looks like the "amnesia" could be fear related but that doesn't change the fact that my social skills are still mess.
(04-08-2018, 10:37 PM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ] (04-08-2018, 09:25 AM)Mr. Anderson Wrote: [ -> ] (04-08-2018, 08:23 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not against porn and masturbation. I am very much against intentionally using them to derail DMSI as an escape route, consciously or subconsciously. Which is why we have them targeted in The Wall. There is a huge difference between "some guys get laid while masturbating to porn" and "some guys use porn and masturbation to avoid getting to the goals of DMSI". Sadly, the logic of that is not readily apparent to everyone.
If you want to achieve the goals of DMSI, you don't fight for your right to masturbate to porn. You use that energy to motivate achieving the goals of DMSI instead. Just sayin.
I don't necessarily see a contradiction in wanting to reach DMSI goals and still wanting to masturbate. But I think one of the reasons I am against this module is the fact that until now masturbation was the only reliable way to experience sexual satisfaction in my life (escorts are too expensive for regular use) and now you want to take even this away with the script. And there is still no guarantee (and probably will never be) that I will execute one day fully and have an abundance of women in my life and therefore don't need to masturbate anymore.
What would you do if DMSI didn't exist?
Well, before the idea of AOSI/DMSI was invented I was running E2 and had plans to do my second AM run after that (these were plans for Fall 2016). And then come DMSI and it was interesting enough to stay... So to answer your question if DMSI never came out I would have already done my second AM run and either SM, WM or my third AM run after that. And if it didn't help then I would have run MYP after that, because I have run it two times (first the 4G version, second time 5G) and both times I ended up almost having sex with (the same!) girl but both times I managed to sabotage the situation in an absolute ridiculous way (second time even worse than the first time). So I guess this would be my best bet for me reaching my goal. I think this would be also good as I could not only gain sex experience but also socializing/communicate with someone on an intimate level. Well, I also had on SM once a bulletproof chance to have sex but I wasn't attracted to this girl so I didn't. Would I had reach my goal with this strategy? I don't know and I guess we won't find out, unless Shannon invents a sub to communicate with someone from a parallel universe, lol.
So today after only two days of listening I again start to feel like burning out and again slept only for about 3,5 hours and feel completely exhausted. The resistance seem too strong to be handled in long term. There also some good things, like the girl in the train stating that it got really hot suddendly and started to take off some clothes after I entered the train while the guy she was with didn't notice any heat (and the other people also stayed full clothed). Or the teenie on my way back in the bus where I definitely noticed the aura and also IOI's from her. Or the people who were greeting me without knowing me. So, again, something seem to happen but the price is extremely high at this time and I am pretty much running on emergency power.
This makes me think again about running AM and trying DMSI in Fall again, where 3.4 should be most likely out there which should also handle resistance more efficient. The positive thing about AM is that I would be running a sub which definitely worked for me and provided only a degree of resistance which I could handle and I also don't know for how long I can handle DMSI anyway.
The negative thing would be that I could miss some growth due to the advanced technology in DMSI as well as opportunities for sex. I mean AM gave me a lot of attraction on my first run but I didn't have sex on my run. Would it change with another run? I don't know, and I really don't know what the right thing to do at this time.
One thing more worth to mention is that it seems like my fear isn't only related to women but to people in general. Women are just the intensification of the problem. So far for now.
(04-09-2018, 09:26 AM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ]What is your goal?
Short answer: Sex. Longer answer: Having sex regulary, gain experience and extend my options in long term. Another long term goal is being able to create the opportunities by myself as I don't plan to run DMSI until the end of my life, there are other interesting things I want to run at some point like MLS or maybe even BASE.