The story wasn't too bad.
I do applaud them for their character development, each main character has their own arc with their own lessons to learn (just as in SW 7) but much more apparent in this one. In the original trilogy this was only Luke with Han to a lesser degree and in the prequel this was only Anakin (whose character development was atrocious). So they did well in that department.
Entertainment wise it's pretty solid. I' d re-watch it on this alone.
Imagination was also top notch. Can't add anything in without it being spoilers but very creative in their delivery.
My major gripe was realism.
MINOR SPOLIER alert
as an example, Kylo's shitting on Hux all movie,(even physically abusing him) just to coerce him into co-operating and then when Hux gets an opportunity to annihilate Kylo the movie forgets he even exists.
Little things like that which the movies full of.
(12-22-2017, 02:19 AM)Travis Wrote: [ -> ]
Wow.. Mark Hamill has been openly shitting on this movie every chance he gets LOL. You can tell he hates what they did to his character.
Hilarious 
life imitates art lol (you'll know if you've seen the movie)
I LOVED the movie. Seriously, it was AWESOME! :o
I also LOVED Luke. He was such a badass.
TLJ is the number one seller of ANY DVD in 2018. SW isn't going anywhere. As one article stated, "Ummm, I guess people are buying it just to make SURE they hated it!?"
If you're more concerned about your politics and hangups than your inner nerd, you weren't able to pay any attention to what's actually important in the movie - and there's a LOT of stuff going on.
If you caught all the themes, callbacks, symbolism, etc. - and can name it all - and then come up with a coherent argument instead of fallacy-ridden bullshit, I'll take a listen to what you have to say. If you haven't watched the movie more than 5 times - preferably at least 10 - I won't even take the time to listen to your gripes. I just watched it for the 10th+ time, and it just gets better. Can anyone tell me where the Kamino theme from Attack of the Clones appears in TLJ? No? Didn't think so. But it's there, and I'll bet my right nut it'll be significant in Ep. IX. Not that haters dig deep enough to care...
Explain to me what Yoda meant by "We are what they grow beyond." Give me a character study of Rose Tico. Tell me about the foreshadowing of the Supremacy (and if you don't know what that is, GTFO). Explain the importance (or lack thereof) of Artoo replaying Leia's hologram pleading to Ben Kenobi and why that spurred Luke into action. Speak to Luke's actions regarding Ben Solo at the training temple, and then explain the entire scene (as Luke told it). Tell me why Luke appeared the way he did on Crait. Tell me why (or why not) Luke's actions on Crait were or were not COMPLETELY in line with what he learned facing his father in front of the Emperor in ROTJ, and therefore true to who Luke is and has always been...
If you've watched the movie less than 10 times, you haven't been able to notice any of the eccentricities, themes, symbolism, or anything else that makes Star Wars STAR WARS. If you just watched the movie once, and then watched endless anti-SJW YouTube videos cherry-picking BS to support your politics/lady-fears, IMHO you're missing out and I'll discard your opinion with the rest of it. Literally no hater has made me "think" about TLJ being bad in any way. Not even one good point I've heard yet.
And...I probably won't, as the people with issues seem to have watched the movie(s) once, or have a chip on their shoulder something fierce, and come up with subjective drivel without support. Sorry (not sorry) that people with much more imagination and understanding of story arcs, themes, and symbolism were in charge writing the movie. Saying it's hollow, shallow, <whatever> doesn't make it so. I'll go toe-to-toe with whoever wants to. Just be prepared to back your shit up.
Omg... I'm no nerd, and didn't notice any callbacks or any of that (I don't really care TBH), I just liked the movie.
Star Wars is one of the most accurate representation of generation IMO.
Episode 4, 5 & 6 = Gen X vibe
Episode 1, 2 & 3 = Gen Y vibe
Episode 7 & 8 = Gen Z vibe
Episode 9 will very likely have a similar vibe to 7 and 8.
(09-08-2018, 12:48 AM)MasterEnki Wrote: [ -> ]Star Wars is one of the most accurate representation of generation IMO.
Episode 4, 5 & 6 = Gen X vibe
Episode 1, 2 & 3 = Gen Y vibe
Episode 7 & 8 = Gen Z vibe
Episode 9 will very likely have a similar vibe to 7 and 8.
I think 7 and 8 had very different vibes myself. I couldn't stand 7.
Episode 7 seemed quite symbolic / metaphorical. The main message being that the masculine / musculinity is being killed / dead.
Kylo Ren (the feminine) kills Han Solo (the masculine).
Also, Han Solo (Clint Eastwood / John Wayne / masculine type movies) are now dead, killed by Kylo Ren (political correctness / politically correct movies).
Yeah, I know Kylo Ren is a dude, but man is he campy / effeminate.
hahaha never saw this thread until now....so may as well jump in while I charge my mobile phone lol
starwars originals.... set a precedent that cannot be emulated or beaten.
So lets move on to the prequels...... we all watched it to see how the genius that is george lucas would weave a tale to fulfil the originals.
hes an amazing story teller and writer, but he should have stopped there and allowed Spielberg or someone else direct. He messed up but he did bring digital effects to the world.
So force awakens: entertaining drivel. Entertaining because it was well paced and was a homage to the originals. Drivel because nothing new was done. Nothing inspirational. Star wars original brought us something new from the effects to the music to the story (in a way) and the prequels brought us new digital effects. This brought us nothing however it did leave many plot points that the next movie could then delve into.... such as reys parentage.
I did like Lukes reveal at the end though.
I cant wait to see LUKE use his powers in the next movie.....oh wow cant wait at all!
Last jedi: AWFUL!
thanks for reading lol
Things I wanted to see in Starwars:
1) Attack of the Clones: I wanted to see the power of Yoda! I wanted him to jump into that gladiator arena to save the cast by lifting 10+ sabers with his mind, spread out around him and the others in a circle defending them.
All we saw was an old man jump to life like Dick Van Dyke hahahahaha
2) Attack of the Clones & Revenge of the Sith: The reason for Anakin being the most powerful jedi ever - we saw nothing.
3) Last jedi: Wanted to see why Luke was the greatest and most Powerful Jedi ever - we didnt!
Reyes parents - nothing.
Reys training - awful
For me the best actor in force awakens was without any doubt Finn / John Boyega and they ruined him in the last jedi.
I didnt watch solo at the cinema, I wont be watching the final movie in this new triliogy at the cinema either. I think JJ is Over rated. Hes made some entertaining movies such as star trek or mission impossible etc. But give a director or anyone the money and support and backing that he and spielberg both got in the start of their career and then get the media to speak highly of them and boom they will seem to have that midas touch.
ok done, rant over back to living now! lol
(09-08-2018, 03:45 PM)MasterEnki Wrote: [ -> ]Episode 7 seemed quite symbolic / metaphorical. The main message being that the masculine / musculinity is being killed / dead.
Kylo Ren (the feminine) kills Han Solo (the masculine).
Also, Han Solo (Clint Eastwood / John Wayne / masculine type movies) are now dead, killed by Kylo Ren (political correctness / politically correct movies).
Yeah, I know Kylo Ren is a dude, but man is he campy / effeminate.
I never saw this! That's amazing!
I've probably said it in this thread already (I've forgotten if I have), but my primary issue with episodes 7 & 8 is that they try too hard to be like eps 4 & 5 without understanding why SW fans enjoyed 4 & 5.
(09-10-2018, 04:58 PM)apollolux Wrote: [ -> ]I've probably said it in this thread already (I've forgotten if I have), but my primary issue with episodes 7 & 8 is that they try too hard to be like eps 4 & 5 without understanding why SW fans enjoyed 4 & 5.
How can you even say that about Episode 8?? It was a refreshing change to have a somewhat original story in star wars for once.
(09-08-2018, 03:45 PM)MasterEnki Wrote: [ -> ]Episode 7 seemed quite symbolic / metaphorical. The main message being that the masculine / musculinity is being killed / dead.
Kylo Ren (the feminine) kills Han Solo (the masculine).
Also, Han Solo (Clint Eastwood / John Wayne / masculine type movies) are now dead, killed by Kylo Ren (political correctness / politically correct movies).
Yeah, I know Kylo Ren is a dude, but man is he campy / effeminate.
So Kylo is effeminate because he's emotional? Let's go back to the prequels and look at Anakin. Kylo is much more like Anakin (was he not whiny as hell?), than Han. If we pay attention, it seems clear that Han was an absentee father, and Kylo had no one but his mother (also likely more involved with government than raising her son). If Kylo's character had just been some carbon-copy of Han, that would have lazy writing indeed. Kylo is a villain with some depth, for a change. I love the original trilogy, but if I'm honest with myself, talk about one-dimensional characters.
I like the symbolism you've come up with, but I'm not sure JJ and Kasdan mapped that out as they wrote the script. It reminds me of Lost, when people had all sorts of theories that read into or went way beyond the author's intent.