Well, thought I would talk about this since I've just seen some supposed leaked plot points for "The Las Jedi" movie. Obviously some of these might not be true or they might all be true. Only time will tell but I'm going to give my opinion on them honestly. I'm more likely to believe a couple of leaks these days because I'm starting to notice these days that for big Frachinses (Game of thrones for example, of which the leaks I have seen are turning out to be true) its getting harder and harder for companies to keep these under wraps. Anyway, From what I've seen so far:
- Rey is an incarnation of the first Force user: ugh, think this is just plain stupid and lazy honestly. If though I wouldn't have liked the whole "shes Luke's secret daughter" at least that would have added more drama, interest, and emotional conflicts. Just saying "oh shes op because shes an incarnation of the first force user" just seems like lazy writing to me.
- There will be appearances of Anakin and Yoda's force ghosts and it will be shown that these ghost can be killed: Also really stupid in my opinion.
- Snok will not be finished in this one. He has switched bodies before and is wealthy and well liked in the Galaxy. There will be a cliff hanger at the end of the Luke vs Snok fight: ugh, conflicted on this one though leaning toward this is kind of stupid. The switching bodies part has been done before which confirms they are just ripping off parts of the expanded universe which Disney "claimed" was not cannon. If anyone had read those books they would see that Disney essentially claimed the books weren't cannon anymore then in the movie just mixed in certain plot points from the books in with rehashed plot points from the original movies. Not very creative in my opinion. Many may not know but when Palpatine died in the Return of the Jedi in the books he actually transferred over to a clone body he had on stand by. So essentially if this is true they are once again just ripping off the books they claim that aren't cannon. As for the more detail on Snok, kind of doesn't sit well with me.Your going to have a villain who is well liked all around the galaxy which doesn't make sense to me. I mean palpatine was better in that he was wealthy and powerful but not well like which went better with the idea of a villain in my opinion. Not much to say on the cliffhanger but I swear if they kill off Luke Disney will just have burned the franchise.
- Lukes says that after the Sith are done with and balance is restored they will end the Jedi order: Honestly, this idea I find actually pretty interesting. Instead of continuing the order afterwards and eventually having someone fall to the dark side to start the cycle all over again. Luke would rather just end the whole cycle of both the Jedi and the Sith. I think this one is more than likely true given to some trailers I have seen.
- Luke says that She will become even more powerful than Yoda:... ummm no thanks. So we have her first be a reincarnation of the first force user then becoming even more powerful , with little training, than someone who lived well into his 900's.
- Luke has Rey fight a creature with hostile intent and very attuned with the force. Once she beats it it turns into the force ghost of Anakin: eh, honestly feels like they kind of just ripped off when Luke faced that apparition of Vader in the cave in the empire strikes back. At least that one had a little bit more significance in that you saw Lukes face underneath the helmet and you wondered why that happened. From this one who knows maybe there will be just enough difference so its not out right plagiarizing but I'm not having high hopes honestly.
As for the rest of the stuff it was not very interesting what I saw. It looks like this is just going to be a nostalgia fest/rip off the empire strikes back. Rey/Luke training (Yoda/Luke training), and Fin/Leia/Poe on the run from the first order (Leia/han/Chewie on the run from the empire). If this all turns out to be true I really have to wonder whats going on with Hollywood at this point. Its seems like all they can do is remakes/reboots of the previous franchises and just fill them with a bunch of nostalgia and call backs but nothing really original or creative. They wonder why a lot of these movies are starting to loose money.
The last Jedi is a movie about coming out of duality and going the path of the Dao which is the middle path. The Sith is the Left Hand Path of God while the Jedi are the Right hand. Balance is in taking the middle path.
Well, thought I would post this hear. Decided to look up some of the spoilers for "The Last Jedi" . Won't mention anything obviously but If what I have read is true, since some critics/others have watched early viewings of it, then I probably won't go to see this. You guys can probably find the spoilers on youtube if you want if you want to know what I'm talking about but all I can say is this is horrible, horrible writing. At this point I will not even go to see the 9th movie because from my perspective there is no way they can salvage this.
With that out of the way I will mention, with warning, one spoiler that pertains to Rey's parents because I think that was something people who enjoyed the character would always fall back on when people would accuse Rey of being a Mary Sue. From what I have read there is nothing in that area. Literally, you find out that her parents are nothing but Junk scavangers. In other words, theres no shes the secret daughter of look Skywalker or she use to be a trainee at the Jedi acadamy who got her mind wiped by look. She is a nobody with nobody parents. Only thing she has is that she is strong in the force which as I pointed out, and was pointed out in some of the movies, does not mean you can automatically go out without training and kick other peoples Asses. This was shown in the previous movies and in written characters (Revan, Bane, Kreia, other female force users, etc). So, the excuse of "well we don't know her background" doesn't hold any weight anymore. She is just an example of a badly written character.
Also, as a side note the actress who plays Rey after a year of the Mary Sue alegations actually responded and it was just plain bad:
"The Mary Sue thing in itself is Sexist because it's the name of a woman", Ridley said.
smh... if you want to see more about it you guys can watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN5ATlAnVXk
Anyway, "if" these spoilers based on reviews turn out to be true I am defintely not going to go watch this film or the next one. Looks like whoever at Disney is doing a horrible job with managing this franchise and even going against rules previous established in the other movies. I really hope this is all wrong (including all the other spoilers) but if not Star Wars is dead to me now.
Dude the movie drops in one day. Why spoil it for yourself?
(12-12-2017, 06:48 PM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ]Dude the movie drops in one day. Why spoil it for yourself?
Quite simple really, I didn't like the first movie therefore I wanted to see if they did anything that would make sense of any of the problems in the first movie. Since they didn't that saves me the time and money. Now I know I don't want to watch this movie therefore I don't have to spend money on it. Though I do realize now that if I want to critiqued since I have certain duties at the movie theater I work at I can easily see it for free if I want. I might just do that to burn time and confirm what I suspect.
Its like $15 and good entertainment. Just take a friend and enjoy. No need to critique anything
And no need to break our rules by advocating piracy in, post 33...
Saw The Last Jedi last night.
To sum it up... what happens when Disney meets Star Wars? Apparently, it's stupidity, feminist agenda, unnecessary inclusion of cutesy big-eyed creatures, randomly ignoring everything that makes sense according to what has gone before, and a general total destruction of the whole story line and canon.
I don't even want to complain about what they've done anymore. I'm done with Star Wars.
I was done with Star Wars after Rogue One. Say what you want about the Prequels, at least they introduced new ideas and cool new things. Lucas took Star Wars and tried to do something bold and original with it, same as he did with the originals. He failed miserably--but at least he tried.
I can't take anymore of these shitty Disney blockbuster flicks. The marvel films, the star wars films, they're all the ucking same. They all have the same shitty mediocre character archetypes and the same "wink-wink" kind of attitude, where like they know they're all in a retarded fantasy story and are just there to joke around and have a good time.
I love the ability for big blockbusters to both blow people away with sheer excitement but also have real impact on people's emotions and lives. Rogue One was so cringey I actually had to leave the theater halfway throguh, and Episode 7 was about as entertaining or interesting or exciting as a plastic spoon. I've no interest in seeing Episode 8 but assume I probably will have to at some point since it's sort of a huge part of my job to stay current with big movies, and this is kind of the biggest of big movies going around right now. I used to be such a diehard Star Wars fan, and now, sadly, all these big-budget blockbuster films are the damned same. With Disney's acquisition of Fox, we can expect to see only more and more dumbing down of great franchises and movies all across the board.
Disney forgets the reason why the first Star Wars trilogy changed the world was because it was so revolutionary as a film for its time that literally NOBODY wanted to buy it. George Lucas self-funded it entirely with a PRIVATE loan from some of his Fox buddies... and that's why he's the richest filmmaker of all time--because he owned the rights to EVERYTHING, including the merchandising. But he made a successful franchise by being bold and original. Same with Spielberg. When he made Jaws, nobody had made a movie that blended together that kind of visceral jaw-dropping seat-gripping entertainment with the same level of intellectual and philosophical prowess as old Shakesperean plays--all the iconic movies of the past, from Jaws to Star Wars to Blade Runner to The Matrix to the LOTR trilogy and the Dark Knight trilogy, Inception, and so on and so forth, have blended entertainment with art--but now, in blockbusters, becuase of the Disney monopoly, we *only* have the option of seeing "fun".
It makes me very mad and frustrated very easily, unfortunately, because as a screenwriter, and a huge nerd, it was my dream to make deeply powerful blockbuster movies in the vein of Nolan, Lucas and Spielberg--but Disney's current stranglehold on the market makes it almost impossible for those dreams to ever come to fruition, now.
(12-15-2017, 07:10 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Saw The Last Jedi last night.
To sum it up... what happens when Disney meets Star Wars? Apparently, it's stupidity, feminist agenda, unnecessary inclusion of cutesy big-eyed creatures, randomly ignoring everything that makes sense according to what has gone before, and a general total destruction of the whole story line and canon.
I don't even want to complain about what they've done anymore. I'm done with Star Wars.
Yeah, sorry for the break in the rules and I will change that post when I can. Though I am glad that my suspicious were not unfounded based on what early review spoilers were saying. Ugh, either way I think I'm done as well. I used to be a hardcore star wars fan to the point of even reading the books in the expanded universe. Granted when it got to a certain point in the book series I stopped reading because it took a unbelievable turn but even then I overall liked about 95% of the overall written cannon material. I would have given episode 8 a chance even though after 7 I really shouldn't have (for just blatantly ripping off concepts from the original and mixing it with the expanded universe that they said was not cannon anymore). After all this I just feel like this cinematic universe is dead.
Kalmah- Those are pretty much my thoughts as well. My thing towards the Marvel movies was slightly different. I watched a lot of the older Marvel films before the first avengers though a lot of those were already turning pretty bad (Iron man 2 and 3 come to mind). What started to stand out to me, especially after Avengers was that Disney was using a formula for there movies a lot after they had that major hit. I slowly I noticed this formula especially since it involved a lot of one liners and other things. By the time the 2nd avengers came out I was annoyed with this formula. The 2nd avengers movie to me wasn't a bad movie or a good movie overall. I think that was a problem because it just had more of the same from the first avengers movie. So I guess from a creative point it was bad. Even the last thor movie, which thankfully I also got to see for free since I work at a movie theater, it didn't even feel like Thor. Thor use to be the character that was more serious and had the at least amount of funny moment yet in the last one there were funny one liners left and right which made no sense to me. The only marvel movies that I accept from being too bad now are the captain America ones but I think thats because his movies constantly have this idea of "am I doing the right thing?" which necessitates that there be at least be some character growth to a certain degree. His are the only ones that have consistently gotten better than the last while the others have either gone downward (Iron man series) or just bleh (Thor series).
One last thing, don't know if you agree but one of the things that motivated me towards a cinema degree was that I was getting tired of all the sequels and remakes Hollywood is making. It really shows a lack of creativity and also that such film industries aren't taking any risks and just playing it safe by trying to revamp old series, usually with bad results because of implementing SJW type in the movies (Star Wars, Ghost Busters, etc).
Quote:To sum it up... what happens when Disney meets Star Wars? Apparently, it's stupidity, feminist agenda, unnecessary inclusion of cutesy big-eyed creatures, randomly ignoring everything that makes sense according to what has gone before, and a general total destruction of the whole story line and canon.
I don't even want to complain about what they've done anymore. I'm done with Star Wars.
That's exactly why I was about to comment "What's disney star wars?" because after reading that about it i've had very little interest watching any of the new ones.
From what I read it's kind of like..
Old star wars movies - Luke has to earn and work for his powers.
New ones - I'm a strong independent woman who because of that I magicallly instantly have these powers instantly without having to work for it. And I can effortlessly beat up full grown men, which isn't possible in reality despite the delusions of alot of women these days.
Farewell Star Wars. Though a watch of the old ones would be good, haven't seen them for a few years.
(12-15-2017, 03:12 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:To sum it up... what happens when Disney meets Star Wars? Apparently, it's stupidity, feminist agenda, unnecessary inclusion of cutesy big-eyed creatures, randomly ignoring everything that makes sense according to what has gone before, and a general total destruction of the whole story line and canon.
I don't even want to complain about what they've done anymore. I'm done with Star Wars.
That's exactly why I was about to comment "What's disney star wars?" because after reading that about it i've had very little interest watching any of the new ones.
From what I read it's kind of like..
Old star wars movies - Luke has to earn and work for his powers.
New ones - I'm a strong independent woman who because of that I magicallly instantly have these powers instantly without having to work for it. And I can effortlessly beat up full grown men, which isn't possible in reality despite the delusions of alot of women these days.
Farewell Star Wars. Though a watch of the old ones would be good, haven't seen them for a few years.
That was one of the things that really, really made me want to walk away from this. Its literally stated in the books and established in the old movies that you can be "strong" in the force but you need training to really utilize it and have it obey your will on command. Look what happened in the old series. Luke goes to face Vader before hes properly trained and looses a hand because it. In the prequels Anakin faced Dooku before he was ready and lost an arm. Despite all this Rey thought the force/Jedi were a myth then after a few hours of finding out its real is doing mind tricks and kicking the butt of someone who has had years of training. People try to say "oh, but he was wounded" but if you had read any of the books you've had people at Kylo's level get wounded for worst and they still beat opponents that were even more trained than Rey.
The only Thing they could fall back on after that was that we don't know her background and that maybe her parentage has something to do with that. Even though we have already established that despite that you still need training which the movies and books have kept on saying for a long time now. Now those people can't even fall on that because we found out that her parents were nobody scavengers with nothing special about them. In other words she is a Mary Sue. Shes strong simply because of if you try to have a woman who has weakness then works her way up to being strong all the feminist cry about how you are sexist despite the fact that Being a Mary sue destroys the chance for character development. Theres a reason why people staying away from making a character a Mary or Gary Sue off the bat because it ruins part of the story and destroys character development.
Just watched Last Jedi
So many things wrong with it. You can poke a hole in it every 5 minutes in terms of realism.
Was pretty entertaining none the less. They did well to include many of the things that Star Wars fans would have wondered about in the original trilogy.
In short, classic Disney movie. Gets points for being imaginative and entertaining. Loses them for lacking realism (even in a fantasy setting).
(12-16-2017, 03:20 AM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ]Just watched Last Jedi
So many things wrong with it. You can poke a hole in it every 5 minutes in terms of realism.
Was pretty entertaining none the less. They did well to include many of the things that Star Wars fans would have wondered about in the original trilogy.
In short, classic Disney movie. Gets points for being imaginative and entertaining. Loses them for lacking realism (even in a fantasy setting).
Yep, I watched the movie last night. I was on Floor duty at the the theater so i was able to just sit in the theater and watch like 95% of the movie. I am sorely disappointed and I can pretty much confirm I am done with Star Wars. Since I'm a cinema major (even if your not a Cinema major) The script was just horrible. Some of the side stories to the main plot were meaningless. Also still some feminist type stuff going on with the whole Mary Sue Rey thing. The way they tried to explain it was laughable and doesn't fit with what was already established in cannon. Also, another slight feminist thing I noticed as well thought I'm not too sure (not really a spoiler since its something you can only slightly noticed in movie seven but gets more pronounced in movie 8). I noticed that on the "good" side all the top leaders are female and on the "bad" side pretty much all the leaders are male. I didn't notice that until someone pointed that out to me.
Either way, the fact that Disney doesn't know how to handle this franchise, is more interested in money than good story telling, and all this Feminist/SJW stuff keeps on subtly making its ways into these films has pretty much ended this for me. Oh well, will probably just find some other franchise to fall in love with eventually.