Subliminal Talk

(09-25-2016, 02:20 PM)Sickologist Wrote: [ -> ]Sleeping wth more women than the next guy makes you more attractive than the next guy. This is a sociatal norm. You can delude yourself into thinking different, but think about it. Dzemoo is not this maniac you guys make him out to be. It takes serious confidence and self worth to be able to seduce women the aggressive way.

Ultimately, we're tired of hearing all this stuff about "happiness", being zen" etc. We want results, we want to level up, we're going paces. Why is that so hard to understand?

I'm not knocking people who want to live in mediocrity, but I also don't appriciate those who question my lifestyle. Dzemoos has also touched on this, this is our main issue with some of you guys. you'd had to walk a few miles to understand where we're coming from. The environment I grew up in is dark, ain't all roses and sunshine and I made my choices to secure a level of success based on the shitty hand I was dealth.

I'm my own biggest critic, so I usually disregard opinions, unless they come from someone who actually knows what they're talking about.

Me and Dzemoo have our reasons for being the wa we are. We didn't come from priviliged backgrounds, but we're very ambitious people.

Real talk --

I don't have any hostility towards you or Dzemoo -- in fact, it's exactly the opposite. Each of you embodies a part of the "dream," that ideal that a lot of men want to reach. I was very much shocked to see Dzemoo even suggest that. What, just because we disagree on what's really a minor topic means that I suddenly hate ya'll?

But again, my issue is the idea that seeking happiness and zen is suddenly a "mediocre" goal. I'm thinking you're just a little irritated and you feel like you're being attacked, and that's why you're not seeing the hypocrisy in calling people out for judging your lifestyle (which, indeed is irritating), only to turn around and claim that your lifestyle is somehow "superior."

Because if that's the case, you're also calling me mediocre and inferior. And someone that's dealt with this my entire life (I also came from a VERY DARK place -- we're metaphoric blood brothers), I take great offense to that and will spring to action. I'm not inferior to anyone. Not inferior because of my race. Not inferior because of my gender (as the feminists want to say) and I'm definitely not inferior because I'm channeling my edge into my business and myself instead of women.

That's my ONLY gripe with what you and Dzemoo are saying. You're not the only person that's going places. My business has "leveled up" multiple times in the last few months. I just had a kickass Skype call with a rising star that wants to do joint ventures with me for the next six months. Together, we can probably easily clear 10k/month. And part of that success IS from the zen state of mind that AM6 and DMSI has given me. So, I don't see that as any less successful than what you're doing -- banging bitches and moving to Burma to train Muay Thai. Both are admirable goals in their own right. Why does one have to be better than the other?

To respond to Dzemoo specifically though: Yes, six months ago I was talking differently. Then, it dawned on me. To get to where I want to be, I had to change the way I thought, changed the way I acted, change who I am. Instead of channeling my edge into going off on people on Subliminal-Talk, or spending all my free time hate fucking women (NOT that this is a bad thing, if that's what you want to do), I channeled my energy into boxing and business. And what I've found is that I'm healthier in all senses of the word. However, that doesn't mean I suddenly think you and Sickologist are maniacs or I don't respect you two. Because like I said, I think we all came from the same place. Also doesn't mean that I'm suddenly a bitch. Trust me, I haven't forgotten the shit that women did to me. I haven't forgotten what they're capable of. I haven't forgotten what attracts them. I have a female "friend" that was just whining to me about how her last three boyfriends were so abusive to her. My response? "You must fucking like being abused, if you ended up with three of them in a row." Her response: "I really hate you sometimes."

Which we all know really means: "I love how you don't put up with my shit."

I also acknowledge what Sick said in my journal, that those experiences are an intrinsic part of me -- they MADE me. All I'm saying is: I'm still a man of intense focus and action. I just changed the focus.

So no hostility toward you two here, man. I'm just a straightforward kinda guy. No beating around the bush. You know where I stand. And where I stand is this: Be who you are. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. But on the flipside, let others be who they are.

We're all on the same team here, fighting against a society that wants to own and destroy our masculinity. We don't need to do it to each other.

(09-25-2016, 05:49 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]I'm channeling my edge into my business and myself instead of women.

That's my ONLY gripe with what you and Dzemoo are saying. You're not the only person that's going places. My business has "leveled up" multiple times in the last few months. I just had a kickass Skype call with a rising star that wants to do joint ventures with me for the next six months. Together, we can probably easily clear 10k/month. And part of that success IS from the zen state of mind that AM6 and DMSI has given me. So, I don't see that as any less successful than what you're doing -- banging bitches and moving to Burma to train Muay Thai. Both are admirable goals in their own right. Why does one have to be better than the other?

@chaos it wasnt the disagree it was the judging (are you fullfilled, my friend gonna kill himself, if you just want to bang hos) and the statement you wont let us shame poeple who are not like us, totally unnessecary statement you dont have to protect anyone from us, me and him were just joking about puas and not the users here i am aware the users have different problems. Its fine that you channel your enegy into buisness but why critizing me saying i wont get happy when i channel my energy towards partying enjoying life and women. Your lifestyle isnt superior either. By the way i find it very disrespectful. That you call. Sickos. Girls bitches (banging bitches) when he says. They are quality women, you are calling his gf a bitch indirectly this way.

(09-25-2016, 11:31 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]Dzemoo -- You mentioned to Shannon that you've seen more pussy than more of the guys on the board. Okay, probably true. Now, what's the trade off? Do you feel fulfilled in life because you're banging chicks every night?

I had a lot of friends that were huge in the San Diego PUA scene. I went to this one guy's 300 party -- dude had banged 300 women. You know what he told me? That he was going to get to 600 and then he was going to kill himself. That was his life. Going to a crummy job and then going out to bang two or three women a night.

If that's the path you guys want to take, then by all means, do that. I won't judge. But, that's not the path I'm going to take, nor can I sit around and watch others be shamed because their goals don't align with yours.

And why do you compare me with this guy? I have an important job and work for the governoument and a lot of poeples lifes depend on me. So this is really a bad example to make your point

And by the way you dont notice this but saying banging a lot of bitches is useless or bad you are doing excactly the same thing society does, its the same as if i would say to money wont make you happy its an empty statement which only sounds good but nothing more

(09-25-2016, 05:49 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]But again, my issue is the idea that seeking happiness and zen is suddenly a "mediocre" goal. I'm thinking you're just a little irritated and you feel like you're being attacked, and that's why you're not seeing the hypocrisy in calling people out for judging your lifestyle (which, indeed is irritating), only to turn around and claim that your lifestyle is somehow "superior."

And it doenst make any sense to me why you run an attraction sub when you want to focus on your buisness, why didnr you stay on base? Banging hos isnt that unimportant isnt it?

do you see the hypocrisy and irritation here?



The one wants healing runs an attraction sub
The second one wants to be a man runs attrarction sub
And the third one wants to be succesful in buisness runs an attraction sub

Now this is what i call cognitive dissonance and being irritated

Please lets all be honest here we are no kids if we all are running the same sub and craving for newer versions of it like dogs for meat we all want the same thing while some admit it and some dont



@ben i dont think i overreacted at all i am just sick of having to justify myself constantly for 3 years now to random poeple who never post anything encouraging in my journal only criticism i didnt make this journal to get judged for my lifestyle and i dont need a therapy either i am not doing it to other so why are they doing it to me i must for sure have some value in their eyes then if they feel the desire to comment in this way

I dont have to let anyone tell me what i am lacking and what not and how i am making a fool out of myself wtf? Lmao the one calling me Immigrant (by the way still no statement from you or shanon to this) the other one comparing me to a women.

A community is based on common interest, shared concerns and judge free communication, if i have to accept these things i rather chose to leave like i did the first time only with the difference that i wont come back this time, it seems i have done my part here and am no longer welcomed and the majority if the users here are going a different direction honestly the only useful journal here was sickos for everything else was a waste of my time

I dont have a lot of time anyway so if i am no longer welcomed here or my behavior is considered inappropriate
I can go no problem you can ban me ben, i am not ryan i wont come back and create accounts to insult you or other users.

Honestly it is even better for me not to be here because i dont get distracted with all kinds of wrong and weirde ideas.

Anyone who ran am6 here thinks he is a master of game and life philosphy a lot of ignorance going on, evryone thinks he has the only truth while i only say what works for me the others are telling poeple what is universally true.

I also noticed that a lot of subtil mocking is accepted here but speaking openly when something is wrong is prohibited.

Shanon speaks openly to me to but he does it in a respectful non mocking way and he could be my father and he knows when enough is enough but thats not the case with the comments lately, i am aware when i go over the edge but its not the case this time.

So like i said i dont see anything wrong or over the edge in my posts and if you think it was inappropriate deactivate my account its fine i have exchanged private contacts with the most important users for me here anyway.

Poeple think i want to have a special status here while i dont give a fuck about this i am not here to teach or lesson anyone so please dont teach and lesson me

What you and sick was right and you were saying for people to be practical and realistic. Nothing you said was wrong.

And that comment risingson made is still there that was by far the most disrespectful in the discussion

(09-25-2016, 08:48 PM)Dzemoo Wrote: [ -> ]And it doenst make any sense to me why you run an attraction sub when you want to focus on your buisness, why didnr you stay on base? Banging hos isnt that unimportant isnt it?

do you see the hypocrisy and irritation here?


The one wants healing runs an attraction sub
The second one wants to be a man runs attrarction sub
And the third one wants to be succesful in buisness runs an attraction sub

Now this is what i call cognitive dissonance and being irritated

You forgot the 4th type, the one who use subs meant to become a man but then complain when he is becoming a man because he doesn't care as much about women now.

I don't understand why having different goals is being hypocrite dzeemo. Yes I love girls, yes I want more of them in my life but it doesn't mean it's the priority in my life.

(09-25-2016, 08:48 PM)Dzemoo Wrote: [ -> ]Please lets all be honest here we are no kids if we all are running the same sub and craving for newer versions of it like dogs for meat we all want the same thing while some admit it and some dont

You want us to admit that we want the same thing as you want and that we are as craving girls as you are. Maybe we are maybe there are also different peoples on this forum you know. People who genuinely are not as interested in girls like you. Not everyone here is as outspoken as you, has the same capability to say things that outwardly like you. It doesn't mean they are kids. Why not try some diplomacy? We won't go anywhere if we don't use it a little bit from time to time.

(09-25-2016, 08:48 PM)Dzemoo Wrote: [ -> ]Shanon speaks openly to me to but he does it in a respectful non mocking way and he could be my father and he knows when enough is enough but thats not the case with the comments lately, i am aware when i go over the edge but its not the case this time.

So like i said i dont see anything wrong or over the edge in my posts and if you think it was inappropriate deactivate my account its fine i have exchanged private contacts with the most important users for me here anyway.

Poeple think i want to have a special status here while i dont give a **** about this i am not here to teach or lesson anyone so please dont teach and lesson me

I shouldn't have compared you to a woman. My intent wasn't to disrespect you. But aren't you a bit exaggerating here, like everyone is against you. There are a lot of people on this forum, so from to time people will go over the edge, it's human nature, it's expected. People will sometimes use subtle language that appear to you as mocking, maybe the guy didn't even noticed it because he live a different life. Some will feel disrespected, it's normal. Why all the fuss?
Also Ben or Shannon is not God, he won't see everything you know. Sometimes he missed stuff on my thread, I didn't threatened to leave this forum because he missed some stuff on my thread or discussion . I don't think he did it on purpose or that he can be all the time fair about the argument, trying to please everyone ego fairly.

I'm not saying i'm going to ban you or anything, it's similar you took a simple post from me and took it to mean i'm trying to ban you or something when i'm not. You're right about the comment at the end of Risingsons post, I didn't take that part in before. I edited it and put a warning for him.

Most of the posts were fine but there is parts where it goes a bit overboard.

this all seems like senseless fighting, everyone is different and everyone wants different things at different parts in their life and for different reasons. The dating goals and experiences of a 40 year old guy are going to be different than those of a 20 year old guy. Not only are the subliminal users demographics, goals, and experiences different but so are the the demographics/goals/experiences of the women.

I myself dont connect with a lot of the past issues some of you guys have with women because the moment I caught any of that nonsense I cut them off 100% from any romantic involvement, but just because I can't connect with it doesnt mean I dont understand how much lies/manipulation goes around. Hell right now my roommate and her friend have a $20 bet going on over who can make their boyfriend to have an emotional breakdown first and these are college educated women in their mid 20s..... If dzemoo and sickologist were to pump and dump them who could blame them?

My point is there are so many different opinions and desires on this board, and not one of them is the "right" choice for anyone but ourself.

Yes, that's a good point. Mainly what i'm trying to prevent is the conflict and attacking each other. Other than that nothing wrong with some discussion and different viewpoints.

The reason I retaliate harshly is because I'm very perceptive to people's underlying communications. You have people here who have read Dzemoo's or my posts before, get emotionally upset, hold grudges and then later explode after being passive-aggressive for some time.

Well, guess what? We're not one of them. We're just blunt, aggressive guys who said it the way it is. I'll never apologize for my views.

Also, and I've talked about this before ,the restraint thing, trying to give a mature alpha impression, aka another form of psuedo alpha. Not me, I'm just gonna say it the way it is, no sugar coating.

In the future I'll break down some of the most ridiculous posts here so you'll see what I'm talking about.

Ben, I don't react or overreact emotionally, I'm not even wired that way. Lots of shaming, preaching and pretentiousness from certain members here....and not once have I come at them like that. that's the difference. I try to help guys here, some guys here show classic crab behavior, it's all there in the posts.

I love the crab comparison , I say that because I studied crab behavior for some specific reasons

Feel free to break down some of my post. I may learn something interesting, it's not ironic.

(09-25-2016, 08:48 PM)Dzemoo Wrote: [ -> ]@chaos it wasnt the disagree it was the judging (are you fullfilled, my friend gonna kill himself, if you just want to bang hos) and the statement you wont let us shame poeple who are not like us, totally unnessecary statement you dont have to protect anyone from us, me and him were just joking about puas and not the users here i am aware the users have different problems. Its fine that you channel your enegy into buisness but why critizing me saying i wont get happy when i channel my energy towards partying enjoying life and women. Your lifestyle isnt superior either. By the way i find it very disrespectful. That you call. Sickos. Girls bitches (banging bitches) when he says. They are quality women, you are calling his gf a bitch indirectly this way.

Dude, I think you've gone a little off the rails. And in a few days, I believe you're going to look back and realize that you're going through resistance, because you're not acting like yourself at all.

I'm not "judging" you. I never said my lifestyle is superior. I think I said that it wasn't like three times.

You're glossing over the facts to build an argument. I'm only asking you questions that'll challenge your beliefs. You say you don't want anyone to try and teach you a lesson, and yet that's exactly what you're doing to others, claiming that they're living mediocre lives and lying to themselves, etc. etc. But, when I ask if partying and sex gives you a sense of fulfillment, suddenly, I'm doing something wrong? And I'm not "protecting" anyone -- I don't even know what you mean about that, and I'm not really the type of person to defend myself from accusations that don't make sense or have any base outside of the accusers mind.

If you were to be critically injured today and found yourself on the edge of death, when you look back at your life, would you be happy or say you were fulfilled?

If the answer is YES -- then rock on. Engage in as much partying, sex and debauchery as you want, no judgment here.

If the answer is NO -- then why are you so angry? Because for me, the answer is a RESOUNDING NO. I haven't done shit. I ain't shit -- YET. And I know that if I kept engaging in partying and sex, I'd look back at my life as if I completely wasted it. So, I'm actively choosing to limit the amount of time I spend pursuing these entitled, fickle, energy sucking American women. When I look around, I see tons of women overvaluing themselves, bringing nothing to the table other than vagina and yet demanding so much of potential suitors. And I'm saying, fuck this, got other things in my life to do.

There's nothing wrong with either path.

(09-25-2016, 08:48 PM)Dzemoo Wrote: [ -> ]And it doenst make any sense to me why you run an attraction sub when you want to focus on your buisness, why didnr you stay on base? Banging hos isnt that unimportant isnt it?

do you see the hypocrisy and irritation here?

I've already answered this in my journal multiple times. I ran DMSI originally out of pure curiosity. For the science. v1 worked amazingly well in regards to the target goal, so I started running it to get laid. Then I stopped running v1 until I finished AM6. I finished AM6. v2.3 came out. I ran that since I had already paid for it, and was in limbo about what I should run. Then v2.3 did something incredible -- it turned me into a productive powerhouse. Was knocking out business tasks like crazy. Cool side effect. Why would I switch to BASE + UM -- old 4G technologies when 5.5G was working great AND would bring me pussy? Same with v2.4 -- all of the effects, the celebrity status, the respect hits, etc. are increasing my business productivity AND I'm getting laid.

No hypocrisy. It just makes much more sense to run a 5.5g sub that's serving my purposes as an all-in-one than to switch to old technology.

(09-25-2016, 08:48 PM)Dzemoo Wrote: [ -> ]The one wants healing runs an attraction sub
The second one wants to be a man runs attrarction sub
And the third one wants to be succesful in buisness runs an attraction sub

Now this is what i call cognitive dissonance and being irritated

I'm confused here. DMSI is working (at least for me) as a healing sub, improving my relations with women, while increasing my attraction, and turning me into a beast in regards to business.

Fact of the matter is, I fucked the hottest chick I've ever had a week or so ago because of DMSI v2.4, and I've had the best revenue month since I've become an entrepreneur.

Cognitive dissonance? Nah. You're looking at this from a black and white perspective. I look at this -- and life as a whole -- as a continuum. If I'm good in business, I'll be good with women, and if I'm good with women, I'll be good with business. Everything is connected, everything is interlinked.

You say you don't want to be taught anything, well, you don't get to control what I think or say, so I'm gonna do it anyway:

You're angry about something. And I don't think it has anything to do with this board -- it's most likely the sub. When I look back at all the postings here, there's no real congruence between your arguments except for one thing: You seem to feel undervalued and uncared for. That's probably resistance and rather than running away, telling everyone that they're the ones that are unimportant, you should probably face that pain instead of trying to wrap it all up.

Alright. I'm done with this healing / what's alpha / etc. debate. You wanna unload on me, please do. I can take it.

Much peace, prosperity and pussy to you.

Chaos is older than us, I don't think he means any harm in what he says. He's a player too, maybe he wants to change, but he can also relate to guys like me and Dzemoo, unlike most.

But I can see Dzemoo's point of view. We've never said we "fuck and dump" them. We're humans too. I never go in with a plan, I just act on attraction when it's there. And guess what? so does Dzemoo. We're talking about the guy who nailed a blonde 12, not many guys can pull that off. And the story is one of the better I've ever heard.

I can fuck a bitch stupid one day and then the next day I'll have a stimulating converstation with an open minded girl the next day. I once hit on a girl while her bf was watching and said some pretty crazy shit to her, she was cool with it. Then later I got a free cab ride thanks to this albanian girl who smokes weed and I could talk to her about anything, even my ways with women and she wasn't judging me.

Chaos gets it, like he said, we agree on most things. But we also live different lives and on the topic of black and white thinking, nobody here should assume Dzemoo is just a cold hearted player. He's a smart guy, he understands game from a very high level and has a unique ability to connect with different types of women. Maybe he wants rough sex one day, and then be intimate with a cool girl over a joint and some chill music the next day, like me

So I'm directing this towards other guys here, YOU are the one's who should learn from Dzemoo, not the other way around. His posts are rooted in realism, what he gained from real life experience living in a less than ideal environment.

Actually use some brain capacity before you try to label either of us as "asshole" "player" "damaged" etc etc. You don't know me, and until you do, keep your bs to yourself.

I will try to use some brain capacity then.
Can I break down your post?

At the end you said:

(09-26-2016, 08:49 AM)Sickologist Wrote: [ -> ]Actually use some brain capacity before you try to label either of us as "asshole" "player" "damaged" etc etc. You don't know me, and until you do, keep your bs to yourself.

At the beginning you said

(09-26-2016, 08:49 AM)Sickologist Wrote: [ -> ]Chaos is older than us, I don't think he means any harm in what he says. He's a player too, maybe he wants to change, but he can also relate to guys like me and Dzemoo, unlike most

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It is me or you are labeling Chaos as a player? And even yourself.

(09-26-2016, 08:49 AM)Sickologist Wrote: [ -> ]Chaos is older than us, I don't think he means any harm in what he says. He's a player too, maybe he wants to change, but he can also relate to guys like me and Dzemoo, unlike most.

To answer Alpha's question, I don't mind being called or considered a player. I'd rather be a player than a bitch.

Keep in mind that when I say I want to change, that doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to forget what I've experienced. I've seen the dark side of society and it's one of those things that you just don't forget. One of the biggest struggles I'm having right now, particularly with DMSI is: Am I able to forget and forgive in regards to women? Do I even WANT to? Will "forgiveness" leave me open to some of the things that happened in the past?

And I mean that on both sides. I've done some shit that I'll take to my grave. My first real girlfriend cheated on me. Probably the only woman I've ever loved because I became incapable of real love after that. Most men would sit around and cry about their snugglybooboo sleeping with another man.

I got revenge.

Not gonna say how, but I'd probably be in jail right now if she told. The "problem" is... she became insanely attracted to me after she realized what I was capable of and for a year after that, we literally fucked EVERY NIGHT without missing a beat. It got so bad that my neighbor sent a noise complaint to the property owner.

How the hell am I supposed to believe in all the blue pill shit after that? That, when I was buying her diamond rings and making payments on her Mustang, she was fucking her crackhead boss. Then, after I did some horrendous, dark shit, she couldn't get enough of me. Squirting and cumming everywhere like it was nothing.

She lives in another country now, but comes home every Christmas. And every Christmas, she messages me, asks if I want to grab a drink. Her husband doesn't know. I always turn her down. I'm very much tempted to message her.

Like I said, we're all on the same path, just taking different detours to reach our goal.

Edit: i decided to leave bye