(06-16-2016, 02:27 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]No implication of incest intended. I'm talking about things like this.
Three of the last four women I have dated, when we got to a certain point, started trying to choose what clothes I would wear for the day. They would go in my closet, pick out pants and a shirt, and lay them on my bed. Just like my mother used to do when I was 6.
And in every case, if they happened to pick out my favorite shirt or whatever, and I actually chose to wear what they picked out instead of admonishing them and choosing something else, they later were caught bragging to another female about how they chose my clothes etc. and had control of me. Had me "whipped", as one of them put it. Another called it "domesticated".
The thing is, it's a subtle manipulation strategy. She chooses the clothes, and you wear them, and she's got the power over what you are wearing. Seems minor, but it's a step in the domestication process that females will put a man through if they like him. It's a shit test. "If he's actually the man he says he is, he'll choose to wear something he chose for himself." And whenever I have chosen to simply observe and play along, they do this process where they subtly lead me through a series of steps like that until I have no control of anything. She's choosing the clothes, she's choosing what I buy, she's choosing where we eat out, she's choosing how the money is spent, she is choosing everything. She has all the power, and control, and makes all the decisions for you.
And if you let her go down this path, it always ends the same way. Even if you try to stop it after she's gotten you most of the way there. It always ends in a relationship that fails.
Mothering of a grown man is a way of taking control by making the man too comfortable, and removing his need to be a man. It's also a shit test to see if he really is a man, and will maintain his manhood in the face of this opportunity to be lazy and allow himself to be treated like a child.
No adult man needs a mommy.
Ok fair enough but I disagree about the manipulation if you would have chosen the piece of clothing (or whatever) already. Because if you start acting out just to prove you are a man, you are more susceptible to manipulation than ever (and not very masculine being all reactive all the time).
Imo, a real man does what he wants regardless. If someone wants to go ahead of me and claim they're choosing where I step, that's their problem. And sooner or later they (and anyone else) will realize that you're doing what you want not what others are telling you to.
(06-16-2016, 04:12 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2016, 02:27 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]No implication of incest intended. I'm talking about things like this.
Three of the last four women I have dated, when we got to a certain point, started trying to choose what clothes I would wear for the day. They would go in my closet, pick out pants and a shirt, and lay them on my bed. Just like my mother used to do when I was 6.
And in every case, if they happened to pick out my favorite shirt or whatever, and I actually chose to wear what they picked out instead of admonishing them and choosing something else, they later were caught bragging to another female about how they chose my clothes etc. and had control of me. Had me "whipped", as one of them put it. Another called it "domesticated".
The thing is, it's a subtle manipulation strategy. She chooses the clothes, and you wear them, and she's got the power over what you are wearing. Seems minor, but it's a step in the domestication process that females will put a man through if they like him. It's a shit test. "If he's actually the man he says he is, he'll choose to wear something he chose for himself." And whenever I have chosen to simply observe and play along, they do this process where they subtly lead me through a series of steps like that until I have no control of anything. She's choosing the clothes, she's choosing what I buy, she's choosing where we eat out, she's choosing how the money is spent, she is choosing everything. She has all the power, and control, and makes all the decisions for you.
And if you let her go down this path, it always ends the same way. Even if you try to stop it after she's gotten you most of the way there. It always ends in a relationship that fails.
Mothering of a grown man is a way of taking control by making the man too comfortable, and removing his need to be a man. It's also a shit test to see if he really is a man, and will maintain his manhood in the face of this opportunity to be lazy and allow himself to be treated like a child.
No adult man needs a mommy.
Ok fair enough but I disagree about the manipulation if you would have chosen the piece of clothing (or whatever) already. Because if you start acting out just to prove you are a man, you are more susceptible to manipulation than ever (and not very masculine being all reactive all the time).
Imo, a real man does what he wants regardless. If someone wants to go ahead of me and claim they're choosing where I step, that's their problem. And sooner or later they (and anyone else) will realize that you're doing what you want not what others are telling you to.
I agree with you. And if it were just a single incident, that would work. But it's a pattern of behavior, and they like to do things like choose what they know you were likely to choose already. So you have to be very careful.
(06-16-2016, 04:40 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with you. And if it were just a single incident, that would work. But it's a pattern of behavior, and they like to do things like choose what they know you were likely to choose already. So you have to be very careful.
I just don't get what you have to be careful about then.
Let's say she picks what I usually wear (which is easy since I have 1 outfit for work atm). Now, I'm definitely NOT going to NOT wear it, because that would be stupid as this outfit is what works for me in sales. So I pick the outfit. Gasp. She has control of me! >>
Now, if you're saying that she will use that to slowly get you to try new things and use the "slow boiling frog" technique to get you emasculated, the n ok, I can see the concern. But if you're saying that picking what you would have already picked when she decides to "pick" it for you is somehow emasculating, then I don't understand how that could be, and you must enlighten me.
Truth be told, this used to happen to me in construction all the time when on SM. They would tell me to do something I was already going to do. It used to really bother me but then I realized it was like getting pushed around if I entered that mind frame. So I just did what they "told" me to do, and then one day they tried to get me to do something I wasn't going to do and I was like "actually, I'm doing this next".
(06-16-2016, 04:54 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2016, 04:40 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with you. And if it were just a single incident, that would work. But it's a pattern of behavior, and they like to do things like choose what they know you were likely to choose already. So you have to be very careful.
I just don't get what you have to be careful about then.
Let's say she picks what I usually wear (which is easy since I have 1 outfit for work atm). Now, I'm definitely NOT going to NOT wear it, because that would be stupid as this outfit is what works for me in sales. So I pick the outfit. Gasp. She has control of me! >>
Now, if you're saying that she will use that to slowly get you to try new things and use the "slow boiling frog" technique to get you emasculated, the n ok, I can see the concern. But if you're saying that picking what you would have already picked when she decides to "pick" it for you is somehow emasculating, then I don't understand how that could be, and you must enlighten me.
Truth be told, this used to happen to me in construction all the time when on SM. They would tell me to do something I was already going to do. It used to really bother me but then I realized it was like getting pushed around if I entered that mind frame. So I just did what they "told" me to do, and then one day they tried to get me to do something I wasn't going to do and I was like "actually, I'm doing this next".
When she picks what you were already going to pick, and you wear it, she thinks she has control, but does not. All she has, is knowledge that you like that particular outfit. No problem. Nobody cares, unless she starts thinking she has control and bragging. Then you put her in her place and move on doing what you were going to do anyway.
Problem arises when you get lazy and start expecting her to do the choosing. And that's only going to happen to guys who at some level really wanted to have the woman take control for them.
(06-16-2016, 04:59 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]When she picks what you were already going to pick, and you wear it, she thinks she has control, but does not. All she has, is knowledge that you like that particular outfit. No problem. Nobody cares, unless she starts thinking she has control and bragging. Then you put her in her place and move on doing what you were going to do anyway.
Problem arises when you get lazy and start expecting her to do the choosing. And that's only going to happen to guys who at some level really wanted to have the woman take control for them.
That's a relief. I was afraid doing that somehow made you beta.
How does one "put her in her place" tho? I've never understood that tbh.
In this case you would call her out and make it well known that she does not have shyte for control over you, regardless of the stupid little mind games she is trying to play to make it look like she does.
Beta is when you're like, "Oh boy, I have found a replacement mommy! I think I'll surrender all my self respect, self control and responsibility to her because I'm lazy and all I wanna do is fuck and play video games."
I'll be running AYP financially wealthy lover regardless of that post.
An easy sell would be if you upgraded it to 5G please
(06-16-2016, 05:49 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]In this case you would call her out and make it well known that she does not have shyte for control over you, regardless of the stupid little mind games she is trying to play to make it look like she does.
So, like, "Yeah, that's what I was going to pick."?
(06-16-2016, 05:49 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Beta is when you're like, "Oh boy, I have found a replacement mommy! I think I'll surrender all my self respect, self control and responsibility to her because I'm lazy and all I wanna do is **** and play video games."
Lol. Guess I'm still beta.
(06-16-2016, 05:57 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2016, 05:49 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]In this case you would call her out and make it well known that she does not have shyte for control over you, regardless of the stupid little mind games she is trying to play to make it look like she does.
So, like, "Yeah, that's what I was going to pick."?
(06-16-2016, 05:49 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Beta is when you're like, "Oh boy, I have found a replacement mommy! I think I'll surrender all my self respect, self control and responsibility to her because I'm lazy and all I wanna do is **** and play video games."
Lol. Guess I'm still beta.
I think we have hijacked this thread enough, guys.
You ever have a woman do that to you and I'm sure you'll figure out how to put her in her place.
And as for beta, the first part is a necessity. You can be as lazy and video game whorish as you like, and not be beta, as long as you're doing it because you choose to. And as long as you're not being a doormat to anyone else in order to achieve that state.
(06-16-2016, 06:08 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2016, 05:57 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2016, 05:49 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]In this case you would call her out and make it well known that she does not have shyte for control over you, regardless of the stupid little mind games she is trying to play to make it look like she does.
So, like, "Yeah, that's what I was going to pick."?
(06-16-2016, 05:49 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Beta is when you're like, "Oh boy, I have found a replacement mommy! I think I'll surrender all my self respect, self control and responsibility to her because I'm lazy and all I wanna do is **** and play video games."
Lol. Guess I'm still beta.
I think we have hijacked this thread enough, guys.
You ever have a woman do that to you and I'm sure you'll figure out how to put her in her place.
And as for beta, the first part is a necessity. You can be as lazy and video game whorish as you like, and not be beta, as long as you're doing it because you choose to. And as long as you're not being a doormat to anyone else in order to achieve that state.
Fantastic news. F*cking and video games ftw. Plus, it's the same thing if a woman tries to shame you into "being a man" isn't it? I'd imagine so.
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(06-16-2016, 05:55 PM)Kibagame Jubei Wrote: [ -> ]I'll be running AYP financially wealthy lover regardless of that post.
An easy sell would be if you upgraded it to 5G please
Keep me updated, this doesn't have a lot of reviews.
Okay. So now officially at the two week mark, 14 days in and beside bouts of confidence (which could also be attributed to ASC which I was running exclusively for weeks before) the overall effects I've noticed aren't that awesome as of yet, perhaps I'm in the 5% of people this sub doesn't work for, although it would be foolish to assume that it's not working, it clearly is having an effect on the older generations around me. By the 2 week mark in the 4G versions of daos and biatbws ran together, I was noticing extended glances, more receptive women, perfect posture, overall contagious happiness that was lifting the moods of all females around me, and a greatly increased sex drive. What I've noticed in DAOSI, is a few vivid dreams, occasional heat when I'm trying to sleep, one occasion of flirty banter, a few experiences of getting consumed by the moment and sinking into a bliss sensation where nothing needs to be done because everything is perfect (at the time moments) and completely bizarre but yet obvious reactions not just to me but bystanders also.
It's weird that the sub hasn't been kickass for me, I've always been extremely sensitive to Shannon's subliminals and even with 4G subs I was noticing results within days, so the sub is clearly working to some extent but a possible congruency issue with myself, hoping V2 will have more profound effects and the wait isn't as killer as the wait was for V1. Review thus far, it is a good sub, obvious results for others, some results for myself, it sucks that I'm not responding to this in the way others are.
Soon Minititan, soon you will see more profound results!!
http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-7535-p...#pid115164
(06-17-2016, 12:33 AM)4Kingdoms Wrote: [ -> ]In other journals, in case you missed it...
http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-5838-p...#pid115118
(06-16-2016, 09:04 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]The script additions are finished being made. I just have to go through AOSI2 and optimize it. It should be another couple days. Then of course, testing begins.
Hopefully... testing on 3 subjects, one woman, two men will begin in two days on AOSI V2.0 and we will have the update after it passes!!
http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-5838-p...#pid115182
(06-17-2016, 01:48 AM)4Kingdoms Wrote: [ -> ] (06-17-2016, 01:41 AM)Light Wrote: [ -> ]will the testing be done just by your models or are you going to release it for everyone for testing, like you did with v1?
http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-5838-p...#pid114276
(06-12-2016, 10:17 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]When AOSI V2 is built, it will be tested by at least 2 males and at least 1 female before I release it for general consumption.
I can only pray that soon comes sooner, literally watching the boards like a hawk waiting for Shannon to give an ETA on testing V2 if he will allow us.
The last 4 days have been uneventful, I can't even think of one interaction from them that could be even classed as interest from any females. I went from Super Aura Man to the Incredibly Invisible Minititan. Damn I wish I was in chaosvirgins shoes.