10-09-2013, 02:31 AM
10-09-2013, 05:46 AM
For what it's worth, I used to be all about pleasing women, now I just take 'em and do what I want to them up to the legal limits. What surprises me is they have a lot more fun and they complain about the guys who try to "please" them. Ha! Extra points if anyone can guess what sex act they complain about the most that guys do too much of.
10-09-2013, 02:54 PM
When it comes to what women like, the biggest mistake that guys make is assuming that any one thing covers all women.
You're going to find women who are more emotional/irrational, or more intellectual/rational. Guess what? They want different things. There are younger females and older females. Guess what? They want different things. There are women of different racial types, who have different body chemistries as a consequence, and yes, they want different things. There are different personality types and they want different things. There are women of different levels of education, and again, they want different things. Just as with different levels of intelligence and experience. Just as with a woman wanting what she does because of what her unique response to her unique history is.
In short, genetics don't dictate everything when it comes to the fact that a woman is female. Neither do hormones. Every woman is going to want and need something different. It's your job to figure out what that is, if you must, and provide it for her if you're going to make her happy.
To get what you want (sex), you must give her (or be) what she wants. She may not always consciously know what that is, but sex is not a one person deal, unless you're masturbating. If she's not getting anything out of the deal, why would she have sex with you?
Some women want to be dominated, some want to dominate. Some want to lead, some want to be led. If your approach isn't a match, she won't have sex with you, or at least, not very long. So either figure out what she needs and determine whether you can and are willing to give that to her, or move on.
Remember that it's not always about what she likes, it's also frequently about what she expects and believes she deserves.
You're going to find women who are more emotional/irrational, or more intellectual/rational. Guess what? They want different things. There are younger females and older females. Guess what? They want different things. There are women of different racial types, who have different body chemistries as a consequence, and yes, they want different things. There are different personality types and they want different things. There are women of different levels of education, and again, they want different things. Just as with different levels of intelligence and experience. Just as with a woman wanting what she does because of what her unique response to her unique history is.
In short, genetics don't dictate everything when it comes to the fact that a woman is female. Neither do hormones. Every woman is going to want and need something different. It's your job to figure out what that is, if you must, and provide it for her if you're going to make her happy.
To get what you want (sex), you must give her (or be) what she wants. She may not always consciously know what that is, but sex is not a one person deal, unless you're masturbating. If she's not getting anything out of the deal, why would she have sex with you?
Some women want to be dominated, some want to dominate. Some want to lead, some want to be led. If your approach isn't a match, she won't have sex with you, or at least, not very long. So either figure out what she needs and determine whether you can and are willing to give that to her, or move on.
Remember that it's not always about what she likes, it's also frequently about what she expects and believes she deserves.
10-09-2013, 03:21 PM
/\ Ah yes, good points Shannon. It's more or less getting to know them, especially if you're in it for the long haul I'd imagine. Just like with anything.
No idea. I would say oral (man on woman oral) because it's so stressed, but I have no idea. I just hope it's not doggy style, that's the one I look forward to the most.
(10-09-2013, 05:46 AM)stratos Wrote: [ -> ]For what it's worth, I used to be all about pleasing women, now I just take 'em and do what I want to them up to the legal limits. What surprises me is they have a lot more fun and they complain about the guys who try to "please" them. Ha! Extra points if anyone can guess what sex act they complain about the most that guys do too much of.
No idea. I would say oral (man on woman oral) because it's so stressed, but I have no idea. I just hope it's not doggy style, that's the one I look forward to the most.
10-09-2013, 03:27 PM
(10-09-2013, 02:54 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]When it comes to what women like, the biggest mistake that guys make is assuming that any one thing covers all women.
You're going to find women who are more emotional/irrational, or more intellectual/rational. Guess what? They want different things. There are younger females and older females. Guess what? They want different things. There are women of different racial types, who have different body chemistries as a consequence, and yes, they want different things. There are different personality types and they want different things. There are women of different levels of education, and again, they want different things. Just as with different levels of intelligence and experience. Just as with a woman wanting what she does because of what her unique response to her unique history is.
In short, genetics don't dictate everything when it comes to the fact that a woman is female. Neither do hormones. Every woman is going to want and need something different. It's your job to figure out what that is, if you must, and provide it for her if you're going to make her happy.
To get what you want (sex), you must give her (or be) what she wants. She may not always consciously know what that is, but sex is not a one person deal, unless you're masturbating. If she's not getting anything out of the deal, why would she have sex with you?
Some women want to be dominated, some want to dominate. Some want to lead, some want to be led. If your approach isn't a match, she won't have sex with you, or at least, not very long. So either figure out what she needs and determine whether you can and are willing to give that to her, or move on.
Remember that it's not always about what she likes, it's also frequently about what she expects and believes she deserves.
So how do you find out what she wants?What are the things you are looking for?
10-10-2013, 08:19 PM
Well, there is a sort of a science to learning how to know that without having her tell you. You have to know how to read female body language, and it helps to be able to read facial cues, eye language, vocal intonation/timing/etc., contradictions or correlations in her words and actions, etc. You have to be able to read her, and everything she says or does will tell you what she's thinking. Body language is the majority, but knowing her personality type is also very important.
Knowing personality type can be discovered through various means. The eyeball method is quick, but you can also get a good idea from paying attention to her body type, height, build, choices, actions, weight, shape, and a variety of other things. Each of the four major personality types tends to a different body morphology. The slender ones are usually passionate or intellectual core; the thicker ones are usually not - or they're hybrids. Round is emotional core, squarish and stocky is physical core. Tall and athletic build is usually passionate core. Tall willowy build is usually intellectual core. Very short and petite is almost always passionate core, emotional core ore a hybrid of the two. Naturally blonde hair, and the paler it is the more this tends to be true, is usually intellectual core. Naturally red hair is usually passionate core (strawberry blonde to medium red) or passionate/emotional core hybrid, and naturally ultra-red is usually emotional core.
There are a thousand and one things to look for.
Passionate cores want action and excitement. Intellectual cores want action and excitement, too, but theirs is not so much physical as the passionate cores, they need intellectual stimulation. Both tend to enjoy discovering new things and traveling.
Emotional cores want to feel safe physically and emotionally, and loved. Physical cores want to feel safe too, but they want security in the form of monetary stability, plans and physical things. They also understand and appreciate touch, just as do emotional cores.
When it comes to sex, things get complex, because what a woman may have a very different set of sexual triggers and responses than her "public personality" may hint at. If you're not going to use the eyeball method, use the other method. Depending on her major personality type, either just ask... or make a game out of discovering it... or gently discover her at her own pace in more subtle ways she is comfortable.
Passionate and intellectual cores usually are quite happy to just tell you straight up what they want and like. Emotional cores need to be approached very gently and with kindness, understanding and consideration. They are VERY sensitive, and sex may make them feel excruciatingly vulnerable. Physical cores can go either way; some are extremely sensitive about it, others are very pragmatic and to-the-point.
Here where it gets interesting. Any woman, of any type of core focus, can have any other type of core focus for her sexuality. So you can find passionate cores with a sexual focus in emotional core. I met one of those just the other day, in fact. While most passionate cores are medium height or tall and slender, she was very short and thick. I suspected by her hair color (light red), height and freckles that she was a passionate core, but her thickness and the shape of her thickness told me she was Emotional core. Getting to know her has made it plain that she is both, with a greater focus on emotional core.
And so on.
Are there women who want you to take the lead and just follow along and enjoy whatever you do because you're taking the lead? Sure. There are also women who will get very upset if you do that.
The key is both knowing how to read her, and communication. Or there's always the eyeball method.
Knowing personality type can be discovered through various means. The eyeball method is quick, but you can also get a good idea from paying attention to her body type, height, build, choices, actions, weight, shape, and a variety of other things. Each of the four major personality types tends to a different body morphology. The slender ones are usually passionate or intellectual core; the thicker ones are usually not - or they're hybrids. Round is emotional core, squarish and stocky is physical core. Tall and athletic build is usually passionate core. Tall willowy build is usually intellectual core. Very short and petite is almost always passionate core, emotional core ore a hybrid of the two. Naturally blonde hair, and the paler it is the more this tends to be true, is usually intellectual core. Naturally red hair is usually passionate core (strawberry blonde to medium red) or passionate/emotional core hybrid, and naturally ultra-red is usually emotional core.
There are a thousand and one things to look for.
Passionate cores want action and excitement. Intellectual cores want action and excitement, too, but theirs is not so much physical as the passionate cores, they need intellectual stimulation. Both tend to enjoy discovering new things and traveling.
Emotional cores want to feel safe physically and emotionally, and loved. Physical cores want to feel safe too, but they want security in the form of monetary stability, plans and physical things. They also understand and appreciate touch, just as do emotional cores.
When it comes to sex, things get complex, because what a woman may have a very different set of sexual triggers and responses than her "public personality" may hint at. If you're not going to use the eyeball method, use the other method. Depending on her major personality type, either just ask... or make a game out of discovering it... or gently discover her at her own pace in more subtle ways she is comfortable.
Passionate and intellectual cores usually are quite happy to just tell you straight up what they want and like. Emotional cores need to be approached very gently and with kindness, understanding and consideration. They are VERY sensitive, and sex may make them feel excruciatingly vulnerable. Physical cores can go either way; some are extremely sensitive about it, others are very pragmatic and to-the-point.
Here where it gets interesting. Any woman, of any type of core focus, can have any other type of core focus for her sexuality. So you can find passionate cores with a sexual focus in emotional core. I met one of those just the other day, in fact. While most passionate cores are medium height or tall and slender, she was very short and thick. I suspected by her hair color (light red), height and freckles that she was a passionate core, but her thickness and the shape of her thickness told me she was Emotional core. Getting to know her has made it plain that she is both, with a greater focus on emotional core.
And so on.
Are there women who want you to take the lead and just follow along and enjoy whatever you do because you're taking the lead? Sure. There are also women who will get very upset if you do that.
The key is both knowing how to read her, and communication. Or there's always the eyeball method.
10-12-2013, 03:12 AM
Shannon, that is so interesting.
It made me more understanding of many of the women I've been intimate with and the ones I've had longer interactions with!
Is there anywhere I could get more knowledge about this subject?
It made me more understanding of many of the women I've been intimate with and the ones I've had longer interactions with!
Is there anywhere I could get more knowledge about this subject?
10-12-2013, 08:49 AM
Stage 1 day 14
TLDR version:I'm not a virgin anymore.
It took 12 days for SM 3.0 to work.I had a lot of resistance and emotional stuff coming during the 8 and 9 days.It passed eventually.Wasn't fun.
Chatted with the women from the previous post during the week.Met her when going to dancing.It was interesting thing on the way there with a strong out of synce sort of dreamy feel to it combing with hyper awareness of my enviorment with all my senses extremlly clear and my brain being overclocked.There was sort of knowingness also about it.
I see her there and was very sexual with her there,holding her,kissing her,kissing her on the mouth shoulders and neck.Spent a lot of time with her during the evening and in the end we decided to go to her place to feed her cat than to mine.
We never got to my place.I took her clothes off.Got her to her bed and started foreplay and was a lot more slower and more intentional this time.
I contintued,tried experimenting with doing stuff during the foreplay,holding her,kissing her.I put on a condom.The light was on,I didn't really gave her a chance to close it this time.Practicing putting a condom at home helped.
I figured out how to get it in the hole thrusting,changing the rhytem and depth,not really knowing what I'm doing.It was very nice and interseting.
Than I thought after it,I have started SM 3.0,180 more days than BAMM.
She was making faces and closing her eyes and it was interesting to calibrate her responses to what I was doing.I didn't have my watch on so I don't know I long it took.She moved her pelvic area a lot.It was lots of fun.
I cuddled with her later,we talked,I asked her like Shannon wrote for what she enjoys and how I did.She asked if I want the truth of not.I said the truth and she said not bad.She mentioned she likes the condoms like she has that are extra thin and what I had less.Also to turn the woman on more and check she is wet first.Apparently she wasn't when I entered.
How do I get her wet and how do I check it?
In the morning we got up,talked,had breakfast.She hugged me a lot and was very close,stroked me a lot too.She walked with me to bus station and gave me a kiss goodbye.
She texted during the day.Met her in the evening,wet to a club,I wasn't in the same state and wasn't too focused.She was also somewhat more reserved,didn't responded as much to kisses.I was feeling bit weird and not well,felt her shutting down during the evening.
I suggested we get to my place,she said it would be a bad idea but she came.She s**t tested hard on the way on various stuff.Saying I have sex like 16 years old virgin and other stuff.She was closed when we got home.
Tried to test things a bit,she wasn't responsive,no kisses or anything so I backed that off.We went to sleep,I talked to her in bed,we cuddled a bit and I was very emotionally open with her.At that point she went back to responding to kissed.It was late,I was tired and she was too.She metioned that she was planning on dumping me.
In the morning we got up,she held me.I made har breakfast and we talked and it was nice.She even suggested to help to clean the dishes so I accepted.It fun let her do the dishes while kissing her neck,back and shoulders.We talked some more and she left.
The naturalizer is brilliant,I wouldn't have believed I do those things so fast
and like I did them.Very smooth confident and in control in lots of things I did.I feel different but I can't put my finger on it if I'm not searching for it.
I'm also catching myself talking deeper and more loudly.
TLDR version:I'm not a virgin anymore.
It took 12 days for SM 3.0 to work.I had a lot of resistance and emotional stuff coming during the 8 and 9 days.It passed eventually.Wasn't fun.
Chatted with the women from the previous post during the week.Met her when going to dancing.It was interesting thing on the way there with a strong out of synce sort of dreamy feel to it combing with hyper awareness of my enviorment with all my senses extremlly clear and my brain being overclocked.There was sort of knowingness also about it.
I see her there and was very sexual with her there,holding her,kissing her,kissing her on the mouth shoulders and neck.Spent a lot of time with her during the evening and in the end we decided to go to her place to feed her cat than to mine.
We never got to my place.I took her clothes off.Got her to her bed and started foreplay and was a lot more slower and more intentional this time.
I contintued,tried experimenting with doing stuff during the foreplay,holding her,kissing her.I put on a condom.The light was on,I didn't really gave her a chance to close it this time.Practicing putting a condom at home helped.
I figured out how to get it in the hole thrusting,changing the rhytem and depth,not really knowing what I'm doing.It was very nice and interseting.
Than I thought after it,I have started SM 3.0,180 more days than BAMM.
She was making faces and closing her eyes and it was interesting to calibrate her responses to what I was doing.I didn't have my watch on so I don't know I long it took.She moved her pelvic area a lot.It was lots of fun.
I cuddled with her later,we talked,I asked her like Shannon wrote for what she enjoys and how I did.She asked if I want the truth of not.I said the truth and she said not bad.She mentioned she likes the condoms like she has that are extra thin and what I had less.Also to turn the woman on more and check she is wet first.Apparently she wasn't when I entered.
How do I get her wet and how do I check it?
In the morning we got up,talked,had breakfast.She hugged me a lot and was very close,stroked me a lot too.She walked with me to bus station and gave me a kiss goodbye.
She texted during the day.Met her in the evening,wet to a club,I wasn't in the same state and wasn't too focused.She was also somewhat more reserved,didn't responded as much to kisses.I was feeling bit weird and not well,felt her shutting down during the evening.
I suggested we get to my place,she said it would be a bad idea but she came.She s**t tested hard on the way on various stuff.Saying I have sex like 16 years old virgin and other stuff.She was closed when we got home.
Tried to test things a bit,she wasn't responsive,no kisses or anything so I backed that off.We went to sleep,I talked to her in bed,we cuddled a bit and I was very emotionally open with her.At that point she went back to responding to kissed.It was late,I was tired and she was too.She metioned that she was planning on dumping me.
In the morning we got up,she held me.I made har breakfast and we talked and it was nice.She even suggested to help to clean the dishes so I accepted.It fun let her do the dishes while kissing her neck,back and shoulders.We talked some more and she left.
The naturalizer is brilliant,I wouldn't have believed I do those things so fast
and like I did them.Very smooth confident and in control in lots of things I did.I feel different but I can't put my finger on it if I'm not searching for it.
I'm also catching myself talking deeper and more loudly.
10-12-2013, 10:38 AM
Poor kitty didn't get his food 
Great results man!
Great results man!
10-12-2013, 10:50 AM
Wow, cool story. Don't worry about her sh*t tests either, if she's going to dump you, she will. Till then, it's all a test.
But I'm quite impressed. 12 days eh? Not bad at all.
Look forward to more updates.
But I'm quite impressed. 12 days eh? Not bad at all.
Look forward to more updates.
10-12-2013, 05:08 PM
(10-12-2013, 08:49 AM)Roy Wrote: [ -> ]Stage 1 day 14
TLDR version:I'm not a virgin anymore.
It took 12 days for SM 3.0 to work.I had a lot of resistance and emotional stuff coming during the 8 and 9 days.It passed eventually.Wasn't fun.
Chatted with the women from the previous post during the week.Met her when going to dancing.It was interesting thing on the way there with a strong out of synce sort of dreamy feel to it combing with hyper awareness of my enviorment with all my senses extremlly clear and my brain being overclocked.There was sort of knowingness also about it.
I see her there and was very sexual with her there,holding her,kissing her,kissing her on the mouth shoulders and neck.Spent a lot of time with her during the evening and in the end we decided to go to her place to feed her cat than to mine.
We never got to my place.I took her clothes off.Got her to her bed and started foreplay and was a lot more slower and more intentional this time.
I contintued,tried experimenting with doing stuff during the foreplay,holding her,kissing her.I put on a condom.The light was on,I didn't really gave her a chance to close it this time.Practicing putting a condom at home helped.
I figured out how to get it in the hole thrusting,changing the rhytem and depth,not really knowing what I'm doing.It was very nice and interseting.
Than I thought after it,I have started SM 3.0,180 more days than BAMM.
She was making faces and closing her eyes and it was interesting to calibrate her responses to what I was doing.I didn't have my watch on so I don't know I long it took.She moved her pelvic area a lot.It was lots of fun.
I cuddled with her later,we talked,I asked her like Shannon wrote for what she enjoys and how I did.She asked if I want the truth of not.I said the truth and she said not bad.She mentioned she likes the condoms like she has that are extra thin and what I had less.Also to turn the woman on more and check she is wet first.Apparently she wasn't when I entered.
How do I get her wet and how do I check it?
In the morning we got up,talked,had breakfast.She hugged me a lot and was very close,stroked me a lot too.She walked with me to bus station and gave me a kiss goodbye.
She texted during the day.Met her in the evening,wet to a club,I wasn't in the same state and wasn't too focused.She was also somewhat more reserved,didn't responded as much to kisses.I was feeling bit weird and not well,felt her shutting down during the evening.
I suggested we get to my place,she said it would be a bad idea but she came.She s**t tested hard on the way on various stuff.Saying I have sex like 16 years old virgin and other stuff.She was closed when we got home.
Tried to test things a bit,she wasn't responsive,no kisses or anything so I backed that off.We went to sleep,I talked to her in bed,we cuddled a bit and I was very emotionally open with her.At that point she went back to responding to kissed.It was late,I was tired and she was too.She metioned that she was planning on dumping me.
In the morning we got up,she held me.I made har breakfast and we talked and it was nice.She even suggested to help to clean the dishes so I accepted.It fun let her do the dishes while kissing her neck,back and shoulders.We talked some more and she left.
The naturalizer is brilliant,I wouldn't have believed I do those things so fast
and like I did them.Very smooth confident and in control in lots of things I did.I feel different but I can't put my finger on it if I'm not searching for it.
I'm also catching myself talking deeper and more loudly.
That's awesome.
10-12-2013, 05:13 PM
Very nice progress. I am amazed. !!
10-12-2013, 07:28 PM
Very cool Roy, congrats! I remember how good it felt when I lost mine. A funny thing was I was walking around the next day thinking "I wonder if people notice i've had sex".
To get her wet, more foreplay by the sounds of it. Kiss her on the neck gently, around the shoulders, stomach and alternate with kissing her on the lips. Wait a while before you even go for any of her intimate areas (even the boobs). And remember to tease, like just get closer and closer to those areas and pull back so she doesn't know when you're actually going to go for it. To see if she's wet just use your finger, put it inside her a little and you will know.
And don't be too hard on yourself, the more experience you get the better you will get. Just be curious and try new things.
Sounds like SM3 is awesome, and it's only Stage 1. I look forward to hearing how it goes in the future.
-Ben
To get her wet, more foreplay by the sounds of it. Kiss her on the neck gently, around the shoulders, stomach and alternate with kissing her on the lips. Wait a while before you even go for any of her intimate areas (even the boobs). And remember to tease, like just get closer and closer to those areas and pull back so she doesn't know when you're actually going to go for it. To see if she's wet just use your finger, put it inside her a little and you will know.
And don't be too hard on yourself, the more experience you get the better you will get. Just be curious and try new things.
Sounds like SM3 is awesome, and it's only Stage 1. I look forward to hearing how it goes in the future.
-Ben
10-13-2013, 02:52 PM
Congratulations!
I remember after I lost mine. First I was like.. Is this it?!? And later I noticed my neediness lowered much more.
I remember after I lost mine. First I was like.. Is this it?!? And later I noticed my neediness lowered much more.