There's a difference between a true analytical scientifically minded skeptic - one who truly honestly seriously questions EVERYTHING. And someone who attacks others based on outside observation alone and not even very complete observation. You seem to have missed an awful lot of crazy success stories somewhere.
I actually have one with auditory proof of Develop A More Feminine Voice making actual real changes.
And right now I'm using Life Tune Up 3g and Ultra Success 4g together and I can assure you, at halfway through, they ARE making a difference.
This is by no means a quick fix. No where near. None of these programs work fast. And I think most of the failures you're seeing are people letting their impatiences get the better of them.
(09-17-2013, 04:23 PM)AbiDrew85 Wrote: [ -> ]There's a difference between a true analytical scientifically minded skeptic - one who truly honestly seriously questions EVERYTHING. And someone who attacks others based on outside observation alone and not even very complete observation. You seem to have missed an awful lot of crazy success stories somewhere.
I actually have one with auditory proof of Develop A More Feminine Voice making actual real changes.
And right now I'm using Life Tune Up 3g and Ultra Success 4g together and I can assure you, at halfway through, they ARE making a difference.
This is by no means a quick fix. No where near. None of these programs work fast. And I think most of the failures you're seeing are people letting their impatiences get the better of them.
See, I am scared of these things. But theres always some members who take things personally. I am NOT "attacking" you lol. Nor am I true analytical scientifically minded skeptic.
I am some1 who has a hard time believing that some1 has the potential to attract situations/scenarios or make changes juss by sitting in 1 chair and listening to these subs. Especially when I heard ppl talking about how they feel. I mean to say, I was more lookin into some real change for example, I drove a 1999 camry and now i own a Audi A8, i use to live in basement but now I own a Mansion, etc. May be there is, I didnt have time to read each and every single thread and post. But most success threads were like Hey initially i didnt hve confidence now I have it, i feel better, i feel good, etc. and it wasnt telling as much.
So that was making me think, ok tell me more. And then when I saw BAMM, I was like come on. Need to know more. Tell me your bank balance lol... but again as Shannon puts it. This is more like a process and things work differently for different people. Just like how 1/2 sub sandwich can make u full but I might need 1 1/2 sub sandwich to be completely full, u know.
I am happy to see that you have seen change for the de better. And darnnnn! your voice became more feminine with subs. This is next level. woow.
So if Subliminal is a religion dont think of me as an Athiest. I am more so like an Agnostic. I am willing to gravitate on either side and that is why I am still goin thru ASC.
I am at a serious stage in my life where I am applying for a residency, taking exams, etc. So this phase is very critical and i am still goin thru ASC, so that clearly shows that I do believe in it and not against it. Hopefully it bring out the best in my life
Ok... Just. I'm not sure you fully realize how your first post in Shannon's thread sounded. It sounded VERY antagonistic.
And no. Just "sitting in a chair and listening" doesn't do it alone for MANY of these subs. That pretty much basically WAS it for me for Voice, but for LTU+US there's been a lot of making changes and the sub showing me that I NEED to make those changes. It's not JUST sitting in a chair and listening. You do have to pull your own weight or the program will do nothing. You have to be willing to let the program work on you, and you have to be willing to accept and do what the program's asking you to accept and do.
And at least with Shannon's threads, if you read carefully enough he talks a LOT about that aspect of the programs.
Other's maybe not so much. But we all tune in with these things a little differently, and we all express these things a little differently.
And yeah. This is definitely a process thing. All of these programs are process oriented. Shoot. I don't care how you want to make a change, or what you do to get there, EVERY time you make a change it's going to be a process. Nothing in this world is ever a quick fix. That's a terrible horrible nasty fairy tale that this society has brainwashed itself into believing. Things take work. And time. And they aren't always going to be on YOUR timetable. Think about it this way. How many ways of NOT making a light bulb did Edison find before finally finding out how TO make a light bulb? And that's how this world REALLY works. Always.
Docji, the grammar you used in one of your statements above literally made your statement mean that you had concluded that it was bogus. Perhaps unfortunate grammatical choice, perhaps a Fruedian slip? I don't know, don't care. It doesn't matter.
I'm not giving or taking points. It takes more than that to really get me upset. But I can say I am guilty of responding a little bit acerbically above. I have no need to be defensive. The programs work under the right circumstances. I build them right, you use them right, they work.
The only time they don't work is if you refuse to cooperate (no belief is necessary, just the ability to allow yourself to cooperate with what is being suggested to you), or, in the case of manifestation programs, there are factors outside of my control.
Getting your father a subliminal would be best done when it isn't a manifestor the first time he gets one, because "old school skeptics" tend to reject and stonewall external influences. Manifestation requires acceptance AND having external influences not being blocked by things outside my/your control. A better choice to start with would be something like ASC. If that works, then move on to something a little more complex.
Ultimately, we are so stringent with who gets a copy of BAMM because we know that handing it out like candy would only put it in the hands of people who would either intentionally fail (and blame the program), or sit on their ass, fail, and then blame the program. Ultimately, becoming wealthy is a personal choice, and personal responsibility.
Also, given that it is well established that my subliminals work, and having studied a lot of different cases where they didn't to understand why, I have come to the conclusion that the only time my subs don't work is:
A) if the volume is too low
B) they're not used, or not used properly, or
C) the listener refuses to allow themselves to be influenced.
In all cases of C) above, the reason behind that is a subconscious fear of loss of self control, freedom or self identity. Every single one. It boils down to fear.
The interesting thing is, you can be absolutely terrified at a subconscious level, but be completely unaware of it at a conscious level because your conscious mind isn't aware of what your subconscious is doing in most cases, and because it is common for people to have acclimated to the sensations as "normal".
Most people are very much unaware of their subconscious reality because they think their conscious reality is all there is. It's not. Most people have no idea what's going on within them subconsciously because they have no practice trying to see those things, or separating their conscious from their subconscious responses. To be sure it's not easy without time and practice.
No belief is required for the subs to work. Cooperation? Yes. Proper usage? Yes. Proper build? Yes. But not belief.
If you apply for BAMM in the future, I'm neither going to remember or care about any of this. I'm going to assess your application according to the same exact criteria we hold everyone else accountable to. Who gets a copy and who doesn't only matters to me in that I want it to get into the hands of only people who will use it properly and own their responsibility for their own success regardless. If it was about making money with BAMM, we would have just put it up in the store. It's not even advertised.
From here, please start a thread in another area if you wish to continue talking. We seem to have resolved everything and I'd like to keep this journal on topic as much as possible.
(09-17-2013, 07:15 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Docji, the grammar you used in one of your statements above literally made your statement mean that you had concluded that it was bogus. Perhaps unfortunate grammatical choice, perhaps a Fruedian slip? I don't know, don't care. It doesn't matter.
I'm not giving or taking points. It takes more than that to really get me upset. But I can say I am guilty of responding a little bit acerbically above. I have no need to be defensive. The programs work under the right circumstances. I build them right, you use them right, they work.
The only time they don't work is if you refuse to cooperate (no belief is necessary, just the ability to allow yourself to cooperate with what is being suggested to you), or, in the case of manifestation programs, there are factors outside of my control.
Getting your father a subliminal would be best done when it isn't a manifestor the first time he gets one, because "old school skeptics" tend to reject and stonewall external influences. Manifestation requires acceptance AND having external influences not being blocked by things outside my/your control. A better choice to start with would be something like ASC. If that works, then move on to something a little more complex.
Ultimately, we are so stringent with who gets a copy of BAMM because we know that handing it out like candy would only put it in the hands of people who would either intentionally fail (and blame the program), or sit on their ass, fail, and then blame the program. Ultimately, becoming wealthy is a personal choice, and personal responsibility.
Also, given that it is well established that my subliminals work, and having studied a lot of different cases where they didn't to understand why, I have come to the conclusion that the only time my subs don't work is:
A) if the volume is too low
B) they're not used, or not used properly, or
C) the listener refuses to allow themselves to be influenced.
In all cases of C) above, the reason behind that is a subconscious fear of loss of self control, freedom or self identity. Every single one. It boils down to fear.
The interesting thing is, you can be absolutely terrified at a subconscious level, but be completely unaware of it at a conscious level because your conscious mind isn't aware of what your subconscious is doing in most cases, and because it is common for people to have acclimated to the sensations as "normal".
Most people are very much unaware of their subconscious reality because they think their conscious reality is all there is. It's not. Most people have no idea what's going on within them subconsciously because they have no practice trying to see those things, or separating their conscious from their subconscious responses. To be sure it's not easy without time and practice.
No belief is required for the subs to work. Cooperation? Yes. Proper usage? Yes. Proper build? Yes. But not belief.
If you apply for BAMM in the future, I'm neither going to remember or care about any of this. I'm going to assess your application according to the same exact criteria we hold everyone else accountable to. Who gets a copy and who doesn't only matters to me in that I want it to get into the hands of only people who will use it properly and own their responsibility for their own success regardless. If it was about making money with BAMM, we would have just put it up in the store. It's not even advertised.
From here, please start a thread in another area if you wish to continue talking. We seem to have resolved everything and I'd like to keep this journal on topic as much as possible.
understood.... i am quite motivated by your reply. lets keep this thread as your journal to BAMM
Today I finished building Sex Magnet 3. It only took a month of work. And it was just an upgrade. It's not like I started from just a goal and had to create the script from scratch. But the script modifications and optimizations were so extensive that they made the script grow to 4 times it's original length, and it started off being more than 30 pages.
I know I would not have been able to push myself through that level of boring, repetitive, boring, and did I mention boring? work nearly every day for that long to accomplish this goal without BAMM by my side. It made the job, still boring, at least do-able. I am so glad I made this program.
I am also damned glad for the fact that it's done. Sex Magnet, I mean. I'll be glad to not look at it ever again after that.
and after I figure out a more universal approach to OED/5G, it's on to AM6. Another 5G 6Stager. Maybe I should do some more 4G upgrades so I don't kill myself with these insane 5G/6 stage programs.
Agreed Shannon,as in upgrades...a lighter project, yet still effective load of re-do's on 3g titles up to 4g titles
I was 'in' the store the other day and was surprised to see some programs 'still' in 3g format,though still effective @ that level ,4g and beyound 'put the icing on the F**king Cake" Man. Foe-Sho-Joe!
I Know you've been busier than a one leggged Man in an Irish Jig contest;-) but even still...dont crash n burn, 4g's kick ass too! BAMM is slammin' Man. Level 7 begin tomarrow. Keith.
I have, that's a very good analogy. One legged man in an Irish jig contest, I love it.
I wish I could show you guys what I'm testing right now... it's blowing me away. What I can say is that I'm doing Phase 1 testing of the Self Optimizing Amplifier. I can also tell you this is perhaps the most impressive, powerful and significant breakthrough I have ever had.
Phase 2 testing will probably be done in a format I can talk more about, and may include Tier 2 testers. I just can't wait to see this technology go mainsteam, but of course I have to understand it and it's effects fully first.
I blame BAMM 2.0 for this... but holy cow. If it works for general use the way it works for Phase 1 testing, a lot of people are going to get addicted to the results and be saying... "I just can't live without the benefits this provides me."
So good that people are unwilling to do without. I'm almost there myself with Phase 1 testing.
Dayuuummm! wow!
#1) Does this Mean that those of us who are already into BAMM and using BAMM,can and will benefit
from this new technology,once its fully tested/locked and loaded,as it were,Shannon???
#2) ....and if so,do we also(potentially) get upgrades with this new Self Optimizing Amplifier in our version of BAMM,Shannon???
#3) ....or are we in for a whole new upgrade(dont mean to freak you out!) of BAMM in all 12 levels or
what might come of this??? I'd hate to think that everyone else who isnt using BAMM gets to benefit from all this new technology,and we do not,until we're done with BAMM. doesnt seem quite logical or fair,so Im answering,sort of,MY own question. MY take on it is that in some way 'er another we users of BAMM will all benefit from it as well. I'd rather state the obvious,in all of the abouve than not. What say you Shannon? Yeah I Like the new phrase I Made up today,'Busier than a one legged Man in an Irish Jig Contest',too:-) ahhh yes.
PS: IM excited already! dayummm this is gonna be good! Keith.
So is optimus engine like HD and Self Optimizing Amplifier is like Blu-Ray 'er something? do they ,can they work together or is ONLY one needed as in the new & improved version:Self Optimizing Amplifier??
This is really exciting. Sound like Self Optimizing Amplifier- puts us on the Subliminal Autobahn..hyper speed. Hummmmmm????
Quote:Dayuuummm! wow!
#1) Does this Mean that those of us who are already into BAMM and using BAMM,can and will benefit
from this new technology,once its fully tested/locked and loaded,as it were,Shannon???
I have nightmares about building BAMM 3.0. It would therefore seem unlikely for a while. To build BAMM 3.0 including this technology, I would have to have a full energy reserve, and lately I am very low building the 5G/6 stagers and such, and back to back. (I have to start on AM6 ere shortly.) SOA would almost certainly improve BAMM significantly, but we haven't even used it one round through yet.
Quote:#2) ....and if so,do we also(potentially) get upgrades with this new Self Optimizing Amplifier in our version of BAMM,Shannon???
All future versions and upgrades of BAMM will be absolutely free for fully paid users of BAMM 2.0. That's not going to give me a lot of incentive to build new versions financially, but then again, I am not building it to make money from it directly.
Quote: #3) ....or are we in for a whole new upgrade(dont mean to freak you out!) of BAMM in all 12 levels or
what might come of this???
To incorporate this, I would have to rebuild BAMM completely. It will be a while.
Quote:I'd hate to think that everyone else who isnt using BAMM gets to benefit from all this new technology,and we do not,until we're done with BAMM. doesnt seem quite logical or fair,so Im answering,sort of,MY own question. MY take on it is that in some way 'er another we users of BAMM will all benefit from it as well. I'd rather state the obvious,in all of the abouve than not. What say you Shannon? Yeah I Like the new phrase I Made up today,'Busier than a one legged Man in an Irish Jig Contest',too:-) ahhh yes.
PS: IM excited already! dayummm this is gonna be good! Keith.
SOA is going to be used initially in things that are intended for "instant effect" (pain relief, digital drugs, Maximum Immune Response, aphrodisiacs, etc.) and possibly Weight Loss and Stop Smoking. This depends on what amount of free time I have and how the testing goes of course.
So, you can still benefit from it, because for instance, the faster you heal from a cold, the faster you can get back to kicking ass. MIR with SOA would be something you could use. Pain relief, aphrodisiacs, etc. would also be.
Incorporating it into other stuff will require another round of testing, because so far I only understand a little of how it works, and only with instant effect stuff. But you're right, it's frustrating to me as well that I cannot benefit from having it in BAMM.
That said... I'm not kidding when I say I feel genuine fear at the prospect of rebuilding BAMM.
And since I am the only one in the world who can do such a feat, and I don't have time regardless... yet.
Perhaps I'll build something that can be used as a "during the day" enhancer that incorporates SOA, and is a single stage program. Been thinking about doing that.
(09-21-2013, 06:44 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: [ -> ]So is optimus engine like HD and Self Optimizing Amplifier is like Blu-Ray 'er something? do they ,can they work together or is ONLY one needed as in the new & improved version:Self Optimizing Amplifier??
This is really exciting. Sound like Self Optimizing Amplifier- puts us on the Subliminal Autobahn..hyper speed. Hummmmmm????
The Optimus Engine can be thought of like reversing the influencial sequence. Instead of you having to react to the world and work in the world's limits, OE makes it much more that the world adjusts to you and your desires and goals.
SOA is in an entirely different direction. It takes whatever you aim it at, and amplifies it until it is powerful enough to achieve the goal, regardless of anything in the way.
I'm not entirely sure exactly what variables meed to be considered to make SOA work yet. So far the perceptory pressure variable appears to be significant, but I'm working on making that self optimizing as well. My initial experiment with that has been quite fascinating.
Perceptory pressure, by the way, is the degree to which a user feels pushed to do what the subliminal is trying to get them to do. Make it too low and no action takes place. Make it too high and resistance kicks in. This is a variable I have only identified in the last six months, and it appears to have a much bigger impact than I expected.
The self optimizing amplifier is directly affected by perceptory pressure. When you have the pressure set right and the self optimizing amplifier present, it's like you have walked into the Twilight Zone. I know how to set the perceptory pressure, but right now it must be calculated and set for each situation manually. My initial efforts to make it self adjusting have had some interesting impact, but there are limits even to what I can do with that because of other variables.
It's really complex, but that's what makes my research so much fun to do. I feel like a kid in a candy store every day lately.
Hopefully that makes more sense of things for you. If not, let me know and I'll explain further.
RE: Keith's BAMM Journal
Two Postings abouve and this one all relate to :the Self Optimizing Amplifier -
Now 3rd posting here,with hopes that Shannon will see/read/review/respond here....
Idea: What if? Well What if the Self Optimizing Amplifier could be used by BAMM users like a primer
for say 2 'er 3 hours before using BAMM(whatever level one is on) then turn BAMM on and the results even greater. Like a Primer _ Like Gamma Rays in the Avengers- amplifying the results of BAMM, speeding them up....jumping time? Many possibilites here.... Ideas here are afoot, and aflow. Keith.
From MY journal-felt it easier for you to see here IN YOUR journal Shannon.
I posted this last night before I got or read your messages today- seems were close in sync with the 'use during the day' of SOA in concept.
Thanx for sharing about BAMM ,OE and SOA....it still could use some further explainating,when of course you have/make time...obviously this is very deep and complex,seems multi-layered as well. thanx again. Keith.