Subliminal Talk

I've been stuck on a lot of red pill content recently. Coach Greg Adams is another one I'm listening to.
Wish that I would drop it and listen to my IT educational content instead.
Here's what's interesting and very much unlike my red-pill binging about 2-3+ years ago; there's no anger or resentment about it.
I've also lost that compulsive checking for female validation; I turned off my dating apps, don't DM women on social media, don't look at porn. Don't have prospects because I'm not checking.
Still really enjoy the feminine form, know that there are plenty of good women, etc.

So anyways, I watch this Casey Zander video about "female nature": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3OmYNje...aseyZander
Something that stood out is the concept of women's tests; that they are looking for a reason to disqualify, at all times.

I think that the new concept from Gen Z women about the "ick" (a sudden loss of sexual interest over an apparently benign action from the man) is testament to this trend.
But the woman is probing your psyche to try to find a scared little boy; if she finds it, she loses sexual interest.
The external achievement - six figures, status, muscle, nice house - are a proxy for the internal meddle that is required to get those things.
But rich men still get their balls busted by the woman in their life, or left altogether, if their scared boy psyche can't weather her storms.
And guys can still achieve the external accolades, by luck or otherwise, without solidifying their internal self.

She just has to subtly push buttons and see if you react. Stoking the fear of losing her, your inner inadequacies, your traumas, is enough to throw a man off his usual course.
And so, finding and healing the parts of your inner self that are the 'scarred little boy' from childhood is crucial.
OGSF is a must-play subliminal on my playlist.

(09-28-2023, 12:04 PM)Ampersnd Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2023, 11:40 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I would adjust your definition slightly to this:
"An intentional distortion of how others perceive the situation, great enough to lead a reasonable person into making a different decision from what they would have taken without the distortion, which in some way benefits the person committing the distorting of perception in the other person or people."

If that's the case, what is your word for the kind that does not benefit the person committing the distortion?

Manipulation ALWAYS benefits the person doing it in some way.  The question is, does it benefit you from a conscious point of view, or a subconscious point of view?  A lot of people like to play innocent at a conscious level (and they may even actually believe themselves to be, consciously), while they connive and manipulate like crazy subconsciously and in subtle ways.

Creating such a distortion without benefit isn't manipulation.  It's usually insanity and self destruction, in my experience.

(09-28-2023, 07:37 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2023, 12:04 PM)Ampersnd Wrote: [ -> ]If that's the case, what is your word for the kind that does not benefit the person committing the distortion?

Manipulation ALWAYS benefits the person doing it in some way.  The question is, does it benefit you from a conscious point of view, or a subconscious point of view?  A lot of people like to play innocent at a conscious level (and they may even actually believe themselves to be, consciously), while they connive and manipulate like crazy subconsciously and in subtle ways.

Creating such a distortion without benefit isn't manipulation.  It's usually insanity and self destruction, in my experience.

I like having words to summarize complex separate concepts; that's where I'm wanting the semantic distinction between "A & B & C" and "A & B & not C", in your opinion. You've distinguished between people who distort and benefit and those who distort but don't benefit; then your response seems to indicate that a distortion always benefits the distorter.

So if 'not benefitting the person doing it' makes it 'not manipulation', I might argue that a parent will benefit indirectly from misleading their child because the child could hurt themselves because their internal sense of reality (their inner playing field) is distorted and constantly shifting, and the parent would suffer in such a situation. The parents benefit, by that logic, so is that manipulation? Do you have a separate word to parse out benevolent vs. malicious distortions?

Lots of moving parts, I know, and some of it will come down to our opinions and individual experience. Would love to hear your opinion.

Day 8,

My internal compass is smacking me in the face when I feel the temptation to learn something new but frivolous:

* Learning Spanish
* Learning Arabic
* Learning about the Roman Empire, in depth
* Learning about computer IT and networking

Almost as though my subconscious is saying: "dummy, this will be a time sink when you should be earning as much money as possible."

The downside is that I'm killing the time with a lot of cheap entertainment, without actually doing anything positive towards my money situation.
I refer back to my analogy about riding the stubborn donkey. I know how my mind should logically be disposed, but my deeper self just isn't cooperating; it's dug in its heels.

Note: Listening in to the weekly call for my business group is building up an inner frustration that overloads my senses and I can't think straight about building my business.

Note the second: This frustration is turning into "the darkness", where I'm feeling hope extinguish. I realize that this is the subliminal doing its work by butting against my inner programs, so I'm not taking it at heart.

(09-30-2023, 06:48 AM)Ampersnd Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2023, 07:37 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Manipulation ALWAYS benefits the person doing it in some way.  The question is, does it benefit you from a conscious point of view, or a subconscious point of view?  A lot of people like to play innocent at a conscious level (and they may even actually believe themselves to be, consciously), while they connive and manipulate like crazy subconsciously and in subtle ways.

Creating such a distortion without benefit isn't manipulation.  It's usually insanity and self destruction, in my experience.

I like having words to summarize complex separate concepts; that's where I'm wanting the semantic distinction between "A & B & C" and "A & B & not C", in your opinion. You've distinguished between people who distort and benefit and those who distort but don't benefit; then your response seems to indicate that a distortion always benefits the distorter.

So if 'not benefitting the person doing it' makes it 'not manipulation', I might argue that a parent will benefit indirectly from misleading their child because the child could hurt themselves because their internal sense of reality (their inner playing field) is distorted and constantly shifting, and the parent would suffer in such a situation. The parents benefit, by that logic, so is that manipulation? Do you have a separate word to parse out benevolent vs. malicious distortions?

Lots of moving parts, I know, and some of it will come down to our opinions and individual experience. Would love to hear your opinion.

What you seem to be missing is that those who distort without benefit are not manipulating, but broken.  Humans who are not broken always act in their own self interest, as they understand it to be.  This may be at a conscious or subconscious level, but it's almost a universal law.

In the case of parents, we have to separate them, therefore, into healthy parents and "broken" parents.  Healthy parents will do their best to guide and shape their children and their children's minds and awareness into what makes them a healthy, functional, successful, independent, contributing adult.  "Broken" parents will try to control their children too much (helicopter parents), undermine them, leech from them, make them experience "unnecessary*" guilt, shame and fear, limit them, weaken their self esteem, self respect and sense of self worth, and generally produce children who are going to turn into adults who are also "broken".

Note that "healthy vs "broken" exists on a spectrum, it is not black and white.

* In raising a child, you have to form boundaries within which the child operates, or it will become a tyrannical brat in most cases, and/or a criminal adult.  At the earliest stages, the easiest boundaries are set using guilt, shame and fear.  Note that these can be used positively, if they are used sparingly and specifically.  For example, when I was 4 years old, I thought nothing of taking a pack of gum off the checkout counter and putting in my pocket and taking it home.  When my mother found it, she took me back to the store and forced me to apologize, which was very embarrassing for me.  This experience led me to understand, before I would have done so, that "stealing is an undesirable course of action", and I did not do that again.

Was my mother manipulating me, or was she guiding me to understand a concept before I could have the brain capacity to understand it at a logical level, in a way that would work?  It benefited her to do this because then her son would be more likely to succeed in life, and that is the goal of any healthy parent.  Children are a huge investment in time and energy for any parent worth their salt.

Another example.  My mother instilled in me a sense of responsibility for certain family members which eventually led me to almost literally work myself to death at one point trying to take care of them.  Even their doctors told me I needed to stop, that I was risking health issues from the exhaustion and stress.  Was this manipulation?  You might think so, initially, but in fact it was not something she instilled in me on purpose; it was a learned behavior and response from observing her actions and reactions, and those of others.  In fact I was learning from her the results of a manipulation perpetuated decades earlier by her mother, my grandmother.  My mother, therefore, committed no manipulation; she was just doing what she understood to be the "right thing", which I observed.  My grandmother was famous among our family for her manipulations and attempts thereto.  Ironically, when my grandmother attempted to manipulate me directly, I detected and shut down those manipulations, hard.  But her manipulation of my mother became a successful manipulation of me through a passive approach of simply learned behavior and responses.

Does this help any?

(09-30-2023, 06:50 AM)Ampersnd Wrote: [ -> ]Day 8,

My internal compass is smacking me in the face when I feel the temptation to learn something new but frivolous:

* Learning Spanish
* Learning Arabic
* Learning about the Roman Empire, in depth
* Learning about computer IT and networking

Almost as though my subconscious is saying: "dummy, this will be a time sink when you should be earning as much money as possible."

The downside is that I'm killing the time with a lot of cheap entertainment, without actually doing anything positive towards my money situation.
I refer back to my analogy about riding the stubborn donkey. I know how my mind should logically be disposed, but my deeper self just isn't cooperating; it's dug in its heels.

Note: Listening in to the weekly call for my business group is building up an inner frustration that overloads my senses and I can't think straight about building my business.

It sounds like it's time to adjust your usage patterns some to get past the dug in heels.  How are you currently using it?

(09-30-2023, 09:04 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-30-2023, 06:50 AM)Ampersnd Wrote: [ -> ]Day 8,

My internal compass is smacking me in the face when I feel the temptation to learn something new but frivolous:

* Learning Spanish
* Learning Arabic
* Learning about the Roman Empire, in depth
* Learning about computer IT and networking

Almost as though my subconscious is saying: "dummy, this will be a time sink when you should be earning as much money as possible."

The downside is that I'm killing the time with a lot of cheap entertainment, without actually doing anything positive towards my money situation.
I refer back to my analogy about riding the stubborn donkey. I know how my mind should logically be disposed, but my deeper self just isn't cooperating; it's dug in its heels.

Note: Listening in to the weekly call for my business group is building up an inner frustration that overloads my senses and I can't think straight about building my business.

It sounds like it's time to adjust your usage patterns some to get past the dug in heels.  How are you currently using it?

I'm using it as the marketing copy suggests, but modified from the Android suggestions to accommodate my Google Pixel.
At 17/25 clicks or 66% of max volume at Ultrasonic for 1 loop per day on, 1 day off.

Day 9,

The anger is back. I want to act in some productive way but I'm literally doing next to nothing. Martial arts, cardio, voice lessons.
But I don't pick up the guitar nearly as much. I don't play video games. But I'm simply watching dumb YouTube videos for hours.

I'm libel to drop the business course that I'm taking; they promised me something by the end of the week, and it hasn't come through per se.
Someone who is taking the course along with me will be sharing what he knows about a topic I need help with.
But I've been immobilized with no direct action steps from the course for the past 1-2 weeks.
This meeting is tomorrow; if I don't get what I'm looking for from it, I'll likely end my time in the course.
A payment is due on the 4th, so I'll announce my intent to not continue payment, which is done manually.

Try eliminating the day off. See how that works for a week or two.

(10-04-2023, 10:47 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Try eliminating the day off.  See how that works for a week or two.

So this is 1 loop every day, with no days off? Sounds good.

(10-04-2023, 04:04 PM)Ampersnd Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-04-2023, 10:47 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Try eliminating the day off.  See how that works for a week or two.

So this is 1 loop every day, with no days off? Sounds good.

Yes.  See how that goes for at least a week, if it's too much, if anything changes, etc.

Day 12,

As time goes on, I can understand how age brings wisdom. It does help that I'm taking to tons of notes, paying attention, extracting principles from occurrences, and always trying to piece together a framework about how the world works.
It's as though your first assignment is to get a fairly accurate surveil of how the world works, then become comfortable in pulling levers in a given order to generate the results you want and to avoid the results you do not want; *that* is wisdom. It's not endless philosophizing.

Something that I haven't written about is that the typical human is subject to a confluence of forces which guide their decision-making and the course of their lives. Adam Smith referred to this influence over markets as the "invisible hand", but this principle applies equally to the individual inside of the market. It is a flowing river with undercurrents, pulling them in a geographical direction.

A mathematical 'matrix' - a square stack of numbers - is basically a representation of how a simple 2D X-Y graph (or 3D X-Y-Z graph)(or 4D+) is morphed and distorted (which is why I wrote about manipulation), and explains how moving 1 unit 'up' and 1 unit to the 'right' gets translated into a completely different direction, much further than planned, based on how that matrix is arranged. Inner conflicts also distort this playing field too.

It seemed as though I was executing today, as I was taking copious notes from the course I'm in the process of quitting for how to conduct a sales call (which is deep into the final stages), and piecing together my own conversational framework for how to convert a stranger at a networking event into a personal contact.

My approach is to broach certain topics which are very business-focused, but has a very easy import towards the person themselves.
For example, if they've given a speech at a small business event, you can (after introducing yourself and throwing in your branding elevator pitch) inquire how often they speak, ask about the kind of work their company is doing, and the main focus of their team, ask about trends, try to relate with them on that.

Then you get to the personal; ask if their work has them travelling a lot (that way you can easily segue to if they travel in general) for tradeshows, conferences, business meetings. Ask if they're born and raised in this city. Get a sense of their background and show your cultural understanding, then from there you should be able to ask more personal questions.

This is a fully theoretical framework, not battle-tested. Then I can apply the Harvey Mackay approach of saving the answers they give me to build contacts.

Day 15,

I'm finding that I'm better at keeping my mouth shut and employing discernment to when I should relate information about myself.
This stands opposed to my previous policy of volunteering information about myself to get some quick and cheap validation or attention. An example is to talk about my small injuries incurred during Jiu Jitsu. Or to contribute to gossip in some way. I'll let people just ramble and I'll stay quiet.

Not executing on direct money matters, but I have a renewed interest in my tech career. Have been repeating the single loop on a daily basis for about three days now.

Day 18,

I've spent a week at 1 loop per day. Nothing has really changed.
I'm giving more attention to my IT basics certification knowledge. I don't think that I'll put 300-400 USD to test for a basics course, but I might work up to the Network+ or Security+ testing.

Increasing to 2 loops per day.

Update: Feeling tightly wound. The imaginary feeling of a ball of steel, coiled on itself, in my upper back. Last night, I was kept up late from ruminating on dangerous scenarios.