Subliminal Talk

Look at my posting history, I had an tremendous time because of the sub. Somewhere along the line things changed, I don't know why, I don't know how. However we are in this together, to create the things I experienced for everybody here. I wish it was easy, but if things are easy why would we even try?
I am now still in a moment in my life where things aren't as easy. Personal stuff and also my mindset isn't in a place where it's only positive and a winning one. I know that I can become that guy again. I was the guy who got picked up by beautiful women, so much that it ruined friendships for me. Insecure people will make you feel bad about your 'luck'. I think that's where I'm at right now. I am still a popular guy with women, at my job everybody is talking about me. How women tend to flock around me. Only this time, no sex. Why? I gained a lot of weight. Again. I am mad, angry at myself. Maybe it is my subconscious, having success is not something it was used to, so now it tries to make me fat again. I don't know, it seems like I'm rambling but I truly believe in the power of the sub. My experience is something magical, and I really want to get there again. Time will tell when we get there

I didn't get laid the three months I was on 3.3.1, but I did notice the effects of the program on those around me.

I noticed:

More people initiating conversations with me
A girl crotch presenting to me
A women giving me DTF looks
Another women who happened to be my type noticibly into me
A women interviewer constantly messing with her skirt during the interview

Pretty good for a three month run. I probably could of got laid during that time but the women it affected were coworkers already in relationships so I didn't pursue. Also, I have a personal weakness in this area which I need to fix. Aside from that the sub impressed me

(05-18-2019, 03:52 PM)OberynMartell Wrote: [ -> ]Look at my posting history, I had an tremendous time because of the sub. Somewhere along the line things changed, I don't know why, I don't know how. However we are in this together, to create the things I experienced for everybody here. I wish it was easy, but if things are easy why would we even try?
I am now still in a moment in my life where things aren't as easy. Personal stuff and also my mindset isn't in a place where it's only positive and a winning one. I know that I can become that guy again. I was the guy who got picked up by beautiful women, so much that it ruined friendships for me. Insecure people will make you feel bad about your 'luck'. I think that's where I'm at right now. I am still a popular guy with women, at my job everybody is talking about me. How women tend to flock around me. Only this time, no sex. Why? I gained a lot of weight. Again. I am mad, angry at myself. Maybe it is my subconscious, having success is not something it was used to, so now it tries to make me fat again. I don't know, it seems like I'm rambling but I truly believe in the power of the sub. My experience is something magical, and I really want to get there again. Time will tell when we get there

So the sub can't get you laid if you're fat?

Well so far it looks like roughly 40% of people are getting laid with DMSI. So it seems to work, albeit with much room for improvement. Still, Shannon's goals with the program sound ambitious. It'll be interesting to see what this sub will be like if Shannon can pull them off.

I believe things will happen slowly and then catch momentum....Crawling, then walk, then run.. That's how stuff works..

(05-18-2019, 09:50 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2019, 03:52 PM)OberynMartell Wrote: [ -> ]Look at my posting history, I had an tremendous time because of the sub. Somewhere along the line things changed, I don't know why, I don't know how. However we are in this together, to create the things I experienced for everybody here. I wish it was easy, but if things are easy why would we even try?
I am now still in a moment in my life where things aren't as easy. Personal stuff and also my mindset isn't in a place where it's only positive and a winning one. I know that I can become that guy again. I was the guy who got picked up by beautiful women, so much that it ruined friendships for me. Insecure people will make you feel bad about your 'luck'. I think that's where I'm at right now. I am still a popular guy with women, at my job everybody is talking about me. How women tend to flock around me. Only this time, no sex. Why? I gained a lot of weight. Again. I am mad, angry at myself. Maybe it is my subconscious, having success is not something it was used to, so now it tries to make me fat again. I don't know, it seems like I'm rambling but I truly believe in the power of the sub. My experience is something magical, and I really want to get there again. Time will tell when we get there

So the sub can't get you laid if you're fat?

No that's the how my mind tries to trick me. You see I was always on the heavy side even as a child. So I thought that being overweight kept me from being popular with girls. I did lose a lot of weight eventually, and gained a lot of it back. When did I succeed with women? With DMSI, being overweight again, but I got laid a lot then. I KNOW it's not being fat, it's the way I think. Does that make any sense?

(05-19-2019, 02:40 AM)OberynMartell Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2019, 09:50 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2019, 03:52 PM)OberynMartell Wrote: [ -> ]Look at my posting history, I had an tremendous time because of the sub. Somewhere along the line things changed, I don't know why, I don't know how. However we are in this together, to create the things I experienced for everybody here. I wish it was easy, but if things are easy why would we even try?
I am now still in a moment in my life where things aren't as easy. Personal stuff and also my mindset isn't in a place where it's only positive and a winning one. I know that I can become that guy again. I was the guy who got picked up by beautiful women, so much that it ruined friendships for me. Insecure people will make you feel bad about your 'luck'. I think that's where I'm at right now. I am still a popular guy with women, at my job everybody is talking about me. How women tend to flock around me. Only this time, no sex. Why? I gained a lot of weight. Again. I am mad, angry at myself. Maybe it is my subconscious, having success is not something it was used to, so now it tries to make me fat again. I don't know, it seems like I'm rambling but I truly believe in the power of the sub. My experience is something magical, and I really want to get there again. Time will tell when we get there

So the sub can't get you laid if you're fat?

No that's the how my mind tries to trick me. You see I was always on the heavy side even as a child. So I thought that being overweight kept me from being popular with girls. I did lose a lot of weight eventually, and gained a lot of it back. When did I succeed with women? With DMSI, being overweight again, but I got laid a lot then. I KNOW it's not being fat, it's the way I think. Does that make any sense?

I getcha.

(05-17-2019, 04:46 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]Sigh...look...again...I see no value in this continued mud slinging, and don't want to get banned for continuing this as it's unproductive. In the end, results are all that matters with the program. Period.

Short version of my post:

-*I'm* warping the narrative and *I'm* attacking you..

Yet you have called me a liar, with zero evidence. Have now called me a "manipulator", which is bizarre, and also, completely without evidence. I'm a guy that simply wants to be able to finally attract women and be "normal". To get back the decency, respect, caring and value I give out.

-I twisted nothing. You called me dishonest, that's what a liar is. Now I'm a "manipulator". Deeply offensive to me on both fronts, as I am anything but. I have dedicated myself to a life of honesty and decency with others, even when I haven't gotten that in return and it'd be easy to turn and "be an a hole".

-I have no idea if my arm being broken due to the actions of a devious girl years ago is the key moment to this or not. Beforehand, I still struggled with girls and had a few bad situations, not as bad though, but maybe they carry a lot of weight in mind due to them being "older" memories. I have no idea how my mind interpreted that situation going forward. It may be the key moment, or it could be something I don't recall or don't think as much of, or what have you, who knows.

-"you're famous in some circles for that". Huh?! What "circles" are those? I'm known for being "dishonest" by people, am I?! What people exactly?! What did I do to any of these "circles", exactly?! Did you just say you're somehow connected to a group that talks shit about IML customers?! How would you know this information otherwise?! Did I read that correctly?! This really concerned me to read as a customer, who places my trust and faith and money here. I'm HOPING this is misunderstood and can be explained...

-I'm mystified why I get such vitriol compared to others, for merely reporting when you ask me to, give me nothing but shit when I do, then complain when I don't report anymore as a result of all the bs. I can't report about what isn't happening...because...you know...I AM NOT A LIAR.

Look...Shannon...I know you have a lot on your plate. I don't know if I'm an emotional punching bag here. I am starting to sense I am. I don't recall you EVER throwing insults like this. I hope you get through this seemingly awful time soon.

Look:

I'm reading every week about women and the mind, to understand them, and myself more, as I said .

I'm putting myself out there with attractive women every week as I said.

I'm trying to make sure the past is not the future.

I continue to "put myself out there" with said women, either by spending time interacting with them one on one, or by even asking a few of them out when I've really wanted to. Didn't end up happening. However, I'm doing everything I realistically can to help this process along.

Until recently, as you know, I was probably the most dedicated DMSI listener, most went to other programs over time. I've recently switched to E3 until the next release, thinking it was a better use of time, unfortunately, even though I HATE the idea of "giving up" on DMSI, at least for now. I've liked what EHPRA V1 and V2 have done for me in the past, programs I have recommended to those around me who needed them. Now, I've done the same with E3, and so far have enough for a report post I think, even though I'm hesitant after all this shit, to be honest. I was feeling good with E3 so far, this exchange kinda dampered it and wrecked my mood the past while. I'll try to put together a post, I'm a glutton for punishment, I guess, lol...

So...I resent the implication I'm "doing nothing to change".

I am NOT a "liar".

I am NOT a "manipulator".

I am NOT "doing nothing to change".

Now...please...I am BEYOND done with this.

Really.

Seriously.

Totally done with this.

In every way I can possibly describe.

Reading your reply gave me one though "this guy is looking for healing (healing can be replaced with anything, fulfillness, joy, etc) on the outside.

I think that you are looking in the wrong place, the only thing that can make you feel good is on the inside. No external results will ever be able to render the feeling that can be compared to what you can generate on the inside of yourself. External results follow internal states, not the other way around. And if you are in the mindset of looking for externals, I think this can be a hard circle to break. Shift your focus inwards, on how you feel and explore that world and change will take place. Forget about other people. Forget about that you give more than you receive, well stop giving then. Just stop. Stay with yourself. Break out of that negative circle and focus on how you are feeling and start making it a habit of assume your life from this point. And notice when you are doing things to get a specific responce on the outside. That isn't your genuine course of action, that is just you trying to fill a hole inside yourself with other peoples actions and however that make you feel. Start with looking for inside contendedness. You will meet a lot of people in your life, but the one that stays with you your whole life will always be you

1. I've been on DMSI for almost two years now. My focus is no where near as intense as when I was younger and on SM and Alpha in getting laid. I had a lot of success there and posted about it in the who is getting laid on SM thread.

2. Year one -my results on DMSI with the healing module were stellar, I was in multiple long term casual relationships, 3 woman, at the same time with woman I really liked and was very attracted to. Never had that in my life before. The woman I wanted without a shadow of a doubt and having sex with them and then staying in relationships for 3-6 months were things I was inconsistent in and had never done before respectively.

3. Year 2, this last year, on and off between modules and versions. Here are clear DMSI results/ not effects
The effects of this sub are great, interest, celebrity aura, sexual energy-but it doesn't always seem go anywhere, even when I push things. I actually have a harder time moving things forward on this sub then others.

A. I had one woman on Halloween just ask me to come home with her within five minutes of meeting her.
(I did but turned out I had been with her friend who was no longer interested in seeing me. I stopped having sex with her at one point and after she pressed for the truth about why I was leaving, told her I couldn't stop thinking about the friend and left/ probably the meanest thing I ever said to a woman) I was not particularly attracted to this woman and more swept up in the novelty of it.

B, I kept thinking about this woman I was really attracted to who I used to know, a two days later she showed up at a karaoke bare I was at that night! We ended up having an amazing night, and going home together, she paid for the uber. We didn't see each other again and now on new DMSI version, 3.1, I bumped into her again and she was once again interested.

Woman absolutely love me on this sub, more then ever in my life, I can charm almost anyone however it seems to be missing an 'umph' where they are viscerally really wanting and going for sex with me.

HOWEVER very oddly, and SHANNON PLEASE COMMENT ON THIS IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEA Anyone who hangs out with me DMSI, and especially the new version starts to experience incredible success with woman. Like the kind we all want and are looking for through this sub. My roommate who could never even talk to woman when out is now seeing 6 very attractive woman, some through online dating, one he met an airport, one was even a girl I met, forgot to text, and then we met her together, coincidence at a bar, and she went for him like crazy. The last 3 other men I went out to bar with all had at least one or more attractive woman super interested in them and pursuing them hardcore and even if the same woman had already expressed interest in me or given me their phone number! haha. And when I say pursue I mean it literally, approaching them, buy them drinks, try to walk them home. It's insane. These are the kind of results I would like to see manifest through a sub like this FOR MYSELF lol. These guys are also a little blown away by it themselves. They don't know about subs, they are not exposed to subs.

My main conundrum with DMSI has become, the men around me seem to experience the results of the sub I'm looking for, I do not experience those results when out on my own, whatever results I experience are inconsistent and don't leave me with the experience of choice or the ability to have what I want. I get looked over by the woman I am interested in by the men around me. Not random men at a bar, the men I know and and hang out with. Now of course some woman will like some guys more naturally however this has never happen liked this before. While I am happy for my friends, I am vexed for myself and find the whole thing quite humorous and am curious to get to the bottom of it.

(07-19-2019, 10:59 AM)RainbowAbyss Wrote: [ -> ]1.   I've been on DMSI for almost two years now. My focus is no where near as intense as when I was younger and on SM and Alpha in getting laid. I had a lot of success there  and posted about it in the who is getting laid on SM thread.

2. Year one -my results on  DMSI with the healing module were stellar, I was in multiple long term casual relationships, 3 woman, at the same time with woman I really liked and was very attracted to.   Never had that in my life before. The woman I wanted without a shadow of a doubt and having sex with them and then staying in relationships for 3-6 months were things I was inconsistent in and had never done before respectively.

3. Year 2, this last year, on and off between modules and versions. Here are clear DMSI results/ not effects
The effects of this sub are great, interest, celebrity aura, sexual energy-but it doesn't always seem go anywhere, even when I push things. I actually have a harder time moving things forward on this sub then others.

A.   I  had one woman on Halloween just ask me to come home with her within five minutes of meeting her.
(I did but turned out I had been with her friend who was no longer interested in seeing me. I stopped having sex with her at one point and after she pressed for the truth about why I was leaving,  told her I couldn't stop thinking about the friend and left/ probably the meanest thing I ever said to a woman) I was not particularly  attracted to this woman and more swept up in the novelty of it.

B, I kept thinking about this woman I was really attracted to who I used to know, a two days later she showed up at a karaoke bare I was at that night! We ended up having an amazing night, and going home together, she paid for the uber. We didn't see each other again and  now on new DMSI version, 3.1,  I bumped into her again and she was once again interested.

Woman absolutely love me on this sub, more then ever in my life, I can charm almost anyone however it seems to be missing an 'umph' where they are viscerally really wanting and going for sex with me.

HOWEVER very oddly, and SHANNON PLEASE COMMENT ON THIS IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEA Anyone who hangs out with me  DMSI, and especially the  new version starts to experience incredible success with woman. Like the kind we all want and are looking for through this sub. My roommate who could never even talk to woman when out is now seeing 6 very attractive woman, some through online dating, one he met an airport, one was even a girl I met, forgot to text, and then we met her together, coincidence at a bar,  and she went for him like crazy. The last 3 other men I went out to bar with all had at least one or more attractive woman super interested in them and pursuing them hardcore and even if the same woman had already expressed interest in me or given me their phone number! haha. And when I say pursue I mean it literally, approaching them, buy them drinks, try to walk them home. It's insane. These are the kind of results I would like to see manifest through a sub like this FOR MYSELF lol. These guys are also a little blown away by it themselves. They don't know about subs, they are not exposed to subs.

My main conundrum with DMSI has become, the men around me seem to experience the results of the sub I'm looking for, I do not experience those results when out on my own, whatever results I experience are inconsistent and don't leave me with the experience of choice or the ability to have what I want.  I get looked over by the woman I am interested in by the men around me. Not random men at a bar, the men I know and and hang out with. Now of course some woman will like some guys more naturally however this has never happen liked this before.  While I am happy for my friends, I am vexed for myself and find the whole thing quite humorous and am curious to get to the bottom of it.

I think I know what my buddies are getting for Christmas.  

I’ve witnessed my subconscious fighting it in dreams but no success in regards to female approaches etc.