What I see is a 37 year old man who still has a little boy with a broken arm running (and ruining) his sex life. It's pointless to try to talk with you about this because you see what I say and ignore or twist it to whatever suits your goal, which is to argue, complain and be the eternal victim, instead of doing the only thing you need to do, which is change yourself. I have said everything you need to know many times over. If you're not getting it by now, it's because you choose what you have over anything else.
I was referring to you not reporting on the last two versions. You reported, what, twice on 3.3 and once (maybe?) on 3.3.1. And your excuse is that you don't like the response you get. Well the problem here isn't DMSI so much, it's that you refuse to change. And the real reason women run from you is because they see what I have come to see about you. I know, for example, that you are at the very least dishonest with yourself. You are actually quite famous in certain circles for this. No matter what you say or think one day, the next it will be back to beating the same old tired dead horse. You and your message have not changed at all since 2-3 years ago, and neither have your circumstances.
What you want to do is complain loudly that DMSI doesn't work, and try to make me look bad in the process, but not take personal responsibility for your own part in all this. You don't even need DMSI if you were to make some of the changes you need to make on your own. Like being honest with yourself. I don't know if you're dishonest with others, but if we are being honest here, I might as well say that I have never met someone who was honest outwardly who wasn't also honest inwardly, and you've done a number of things during the last few years that made me suspect that you were not being honest.
So DMSI aside, what you need to do here is start being honest with yourself. Stop bending everything into a narrative of pity, victim, helpless, poor me, and everyone else is at fault. As I have said a dozen times if I have said it once, you need to actually want what you say you want, because whatever you have now is what you want most. So far every effort you at the conscious level or I have made to change that has been dominated by your inner child with a broken arm and returned to what you are still spewing.
It's a waste of time talking to you because you hear what I say, but you refuse to accept, understand and use it. Instead you try to use warped versions of it to attack me and invalidate my argument. Maybe if you listen, and stop trying to win and be right, stop choosing what you have over what you claim endlessly to want but never do what it takes to get.
I already told you, given your current circumstances, it is a choice for me to make DMSI work for you or everyone else. What you need to do to win here isn't try to make me look bad or complain more loudly about DMSI, or even use DMSI. You need to choose to change yourself and the beliefs that hold you in the self created prison you're in right now.
You have gotten so good at warping everything to fit and create your pre-determined outcome that I honestly doubt you'll ever be able to get out of that prison you have yourself in because you will never even let yourself see how you're lying to yourself to create it. That's step one. Step two is to choose to become the guy who women don't run from. Because they smell your dishonesty and your desire to manipulate them for sex, which is why they keep rejecting you, I'd bet. Women are good at that.
Ah, what am I saying, Here I am trying once again to help you, when we all know you don't want help, you want to complain and be the victim. I'll leave you to it.
So if DMSI hasn't produced the desired results so far, just keep trying the future versions. But remember, it's designed for the majority, not the outliers who want to deny reality and keep themselves helpless victims in a self created cage of self deceptions. And remember... you can only change yourself, and only you can change yourself. You keep trying to insist that the whole world change to suit you while you refuse to grow and develop.
Get out of that cage you created for yourself, and then we can have a useful discussion.
Wait, so @
Shannon I wanted to ask something. Based on what you said before in this thread does this mean there might be a "wall" for the affected side? I know you said it was a possibility but you didn't know if it would be needed. If such a thing is implemented would it be possible to make it without it taking away someones free will? Like you could possibly make the effects they feel (high sexual attraction towards the user) irresistible and inescapable but make it so there is lack of fear and they can choose freely of their own accord what they want to do absent of that fear. Seems like quite the balancing act.
(05-17-2019, 06:45 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote: [ -> ]Wait, so @Shannon I wanted to ask something. Based on what you said before in this thread does this mean there might be a "wall" for the affected side? I know you said it was a possibility but you didn't know if it would be needed. If such a thing is implemented would it be possible to make it without it taking away someones free will? Like you could possibly make the effects they feel (high sexual attraction towards the user) irresistible and inescapable but make it so there is lack of fear and they can choose freely of their own accord what they want to do absent of that fear. Seems like quite the balancing act.
In my experience safety and sexual attraction go hand in hand.
When people talk about "danger" with women they're confusing the issue. Women like mystery and excitement. They like their thoughts and emotions being worked up and stimulated, and where as danger can do that, unless the girl is imo unhealthy in a few ways they're not going to feel safe.
There are of course other things that go into sexuality. "Trade" and all of that stuff, but the excitement while being safe is a huge factor.
Ask an attractive girl if they'd rather be dead or always bored.
(05-17-2019, 06:45 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote: [ -> ]Wait, so @Shannon I wanted to ask something. Based on what you said before in this thread does this mean there might be a "wall" for the affected side? I know you said it was a possibility but you didn't know if it would be needed. If such a thing is implemented would it be possible to make it without it taking away someones free will? Like you could possibly make the effects they feel (high sexual attraction towards the user) irresistible and inescapable but make it so there is lack of fear and they can choose freely of their own accord what they want to do absent of that fear. Seems like quite the balancing act.
There will be no wall for the affected side. There will be an effort made to express FRM through the aura so that people affected are not being artificially hampered by their fears. This is a very challenging balancing act indeed. The key isn't causing them to be comfortable with the user in a friend zone sort of way, of course. It is to make them comfortable with considering their own natural responses to what they think and feel toward the user so that they are willing to act on it if they can reasonably do so, without being coerced or tricked into doing so.
It's kind of like presenting a very attractive pheromone signature and making sure the person is free to act without fear. That doesn't mean they necessarily will choose to, or are free to, but they are much more likely to than if they are simply blocking their desires from a primitive irrational fear based knee jerk reaction.
Quote:....But remember, it's designed for the majority, not the outliers who want to deny reality and keep themselves helpless victims in a self created cage of self deceptions....
Would it be possible to create some sort of preliminary sub which would take care of everything which is outside of the scope of DMSI to prepare outliers for this sub?
What I read in this thread has me worried. Either these products don't work or they DO work but one can easilly and unconsciously render them ineffective. I can only hooe all the E2, E3, LTU5 and Alpha Male subs I intend to use help me clear out whatever issues might render DMSI ineffective for me.
Sigh...look...again...I see no value in this continued mud slinging, and don't want to get banned for continuing this as it's unproductive. In the end, results are all that matters with the program. Period.
Short version of my post:
-*I'm* warping the narrative and *I'm* attacking you..
Yet you have called me a liar, with zero evidence. Have now called me a "manipulator", which is bizarre, and also, completely without evidence. I'm a guy that simply wants to be able to finally attract women and be "normal". To get back the decency, respect, caring and value I give out.
-I twisted nothing. You called me dishonest, that's what a liar is. Now I'm a "manipulator". Deeply offensive to me on both fronts, as I am anything but. I have dedicated myself to a life of honesty and decency with others, even when I haven't gotten that in return and it'd be easy to turn and "be an a hole".
-I have no idea if my arm being broken due to the actions of a devious girl years ago is the key moment to this or not. Beforehand, I still struggled with girls and had a few bad situations, not as bad though, but maybe they carry a lot of weight in mind due to them being "older" memories. I have no idea how my mind interpreted that situation going forward. It may be the key moment, or it could be something I don't recall or don't think as much of, or what have you, who knows.
-"you're famous in some circles for that". Huh?! What "circles" are those? I'm known for being "dishonest" by people, am I?! What people exactly?! What did I do to any of these "circles", exactly?! Did you just say you're somehow connected to a group that talks shit about IML customers?! How would you know this information otherwise?! Did I read that correctly?! This really concerned me to read as a customer, who places my trust and faith and money here. I'm HOPING this is misunderstood and can be explained...
-I'm mystified why I get such vitriol compared to others, for merely reporting when you ask me to, give me nothing but shit when I do, then complain when I don't report anymore as a result of all the bs. I can't report about what isn't happening...because...you know...I AM NOT A LIAR.
Look...Shannon...I know you have a lot on your plate. I don't know if I'm an emotional punching bag here. I am starting to sense I am. I don't recall you EVER throwing insults like this. I hope you get through this seemingly awful time soon.
Look:
I'm reading every week about women and the mind, to understand them, and myself more, as I said .
I'm putting myself out there with attractive women every week as I said.
I'm trying to make sure the past is not the future.
I continue to "put myself out there" with said women, either by spending time interacting with them one on one, or by even asking a few of them out when I've really wanted to. Didn't end up happening. However, I'm doing everything I realistically can to help this process along.
Until recently, as you know, I was probably the most dedicated DMSI listener, most went to other programs over time. I've recently switched to E3 until the next release, thinking it was a better use of time, unfortunately, even though I HATE the idea of "giving up" on DMSI, at least for now. I've liked what EHPRA V1 and V2 have done for me in the past, programs I have recommended to those around me who needed them. Now, I've done the same with E3, and so far have enough for a report post I think, even though I'm hesitant after all this shit, to be honest. I was feeling good with E3 so far, this exchange kinda dampered it and wrecked my mood the past while. I'll try to put together a post, I'm a glutton for punishment, I guess, lol...
So...I resent the implication I'm "doing nothing to change".
I am NOT a "liar".
I am NOT a "manipulator".
I am NOT "doing nothing to change".
Now...please...I am BEYOND done with this.
Really.
Seriously.
Totally done with this.
In every way I can possibly describe.
(05-17-2019, 09:23 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (05-17-2019, 06:45 AM)DarthXedonias Wrote: [ -> ]Wait, so @Shannon I wanted to ask something. Based on what you said before in this thread does this mean there might be a "wall" for the affected side? I know you said it was a possibility but you didn't know if it would be needed. If such a thing is implemented would it be possible to make it without it taking away someones free will? Like you could possibly make the effects they feel (high sexual attraction towards the user) irresistible and inescapable but make it so there is lack of fear and they can choose freely of their own accord what they want to do absent of that fear. Seems like quite the balancing act.
There will be no wall for the affected side. There will be an effort made to express FRM through the aura so that people affected are not being artificially hampered by their fears. This is a very challenging balancing act indeed. The key isn't causing them to be comfortable with the user in a friend zone sort of way, of course. It is to make them comfortable with considering their own natural responses to what they think and feel toward the user so that they are willing to act on it if they can reasonably do so, without being coerced or tricked into doing so.
It's kind of like presenting a very attractive pheromone signature and making sure the person is free to act without fear. That doesn't mean they necessarily will choose to, or are free to, but they are much more likely to than if they are simply blocking their desires from a primitive irrational fear based knee jerk reaction.
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Shannon Ah, I know the highlighted part all too well. I'm pretty sure I've lost a couple of chances due to this alone. Most of the knee jerk responses I have seen that have cancelled out the effect have been: (1) Fear of what friends and family members will think if she gets with me, (2) Fear of what others will think due to a age difference, or (3) She is afraid of how being with me might affect her current relationships even if its apparent those current relationships aren't going to work out. This all includes at least 2 times where the women would perhaps be brave enough to give huge hints they are interested but as soon as I reciprocate that show of interest they run for the hills. Like they were comfortable with the idea of being with me in theory but when it could become an actual reality that is too much for them and they react in a very fearful and hostile way.
I've had others who just start ghosting me or avoiding me like the plague because they are so fearful of dealing with their "feelings". I had another women who was obviously being affected during a class but she just crossed her arms and legs and kept taking angry glances at me from time to time. More like she was pissed for me causing her to feel this way because I think she might have been taken. I did find that #2 can be negated when I go to another country because unlike in the west in other places being with an older man who has even just a few years on you is not seen as something bad. It is looked at as normal. I do find that #1 is even more of a huge issue though and #3 might be an issue depending on the country in question. Would explained why I had much better success once I was out of the US. Hell, I had multiple 19 year old females flirting with me and wanting to be with me on my trip which wouldn't have happened in the US really. Those ones even if they felt something would have instantly reacted in a fearful manner like I had seen multiple times.
Either way, I do agree with this most definitely. Its not only been me sabotaging myself but also those that get affected by the aura reacting with a fear response and either: (1) Ghosting/avoiding, (2) acting hostile instead, or (3) flirting majorly at first but once I reciprocate they freak out. Definitely seems like the Major crux though is this instant thinking about how other people will view her instead of doing something because its what she actually wants to do. That fear does make sense though since the majority of women seem to be very social conscious as in they definitely fear being judge by members of society.
(05-17-2019, 04:46 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]Sigh...look...again...I see no value in this continued mud slinging, and don't want to get banned for continuing this as it's unproductive. In the end, results are all that matters with the program. Period.
Short version of my post:
-*I'm* warping the narrative and *I'm* attacking you..
Yet you have called me a liar, with zero evidence. Have now called me a "manipulator", which is bizarre, and also, completely without evidence. I'm a guy that simply wants to be able to finally attract women and be "normal". To get back the decency, respect, caring and value I give out.
-I twisted nothing. You called me dishonest, that's what a liar is. Now I'm a "manipulator". Deeply offensive to me on both fronts, as I am anything but. I have dedicated myself to a life of honesty and decency with others, even when I haven't gotten that in return and it'd be easy to turn and "be an a hole".
-I have no idea if my arm being broken due to the actions of a devious girl years ago is the key moment to this or not. Beforehand, I still struggled with girls and had a few bad situations, not as bad though, but maybe they carry a lot of weight in mind due to them being "older" memories. I have no idea how my mind interpreted that situation going forward. It may be the key moment, or it could be something I don't recall or don't think as much of, or what have you, who knows.
-"you're famous in some circles for that". Huh?! What "circles" are those? I'm known for being "dishonest" by people, am I?! What people exactly?! What did I do to any of these "circles", exactly?! Did you just say you're somehow connected to a group that talks shit about IML customers?! How would you know this information otherwise?! Did I read that correctly?! This really concerned me to read as a customer, who places my trust and faith and money here. I'm HOPING this is misunderstood and can be explained...
-I'm mystified why I get such vitriol compared to others, for merely reporting when you ask me to, give me nothing but shit when I do, then complain when I don't report anymore as a result of all the bs. I can't report about what isn't happening...because...you know...I AM NOT A LIAR.
Look...Shannon...I know you have a lot on your plate. I don't know if I'm an emotional punching bag here. I am starting to sense I am. I don't recall you EVER throwing insults like this. I hope you get through this seemingly awful time soon.
Look:
I'm reading every week about women and the mind, to understand them, and myself more, as I said .
I'm putting myself out there with attractive women every week as I said.
I'm trying to make sure the past is not the future.
I continue to "put myself out there" with said women, either by spending time interacting with them one on one, or by even asking a few of them out when I've really wanted to. Didn't end up happening. However, I'm doing everything I realistically can to help this process along.
Until recently, as you know, I was probably the most dedicated DMSI listener, most went to other programs over time. I've recently switched to E3 until the next release, thinking it was a better use of time, unfortunately, even though I HATE the idea of "giving up" on DMSI, at least for now. I've liked what EHPRA V1 and V2 have done for me in the past, programs I have recommended to those around me who needed them. Now, I've done the same with E3, and so far have enough for a report post I think, even though I'm hesitant after all this shit, to be honest. I was feeling good with E3 so far, this exchange kinda dampered it and wrecked my mood the past while. I'll try to put together a post, I'm a glutton for punishment, I guess, lol...
So...I resent the implication I'm "doing nothing to change".
I am NOT a "liar".
I am NOT a "manipulator".
I am NOT "doing nothing to change".
Now...please...I am BEYOND done with this.
Really.
Seriously.
Totally done with this.
In every way I can possibly describe.
I was about to suggest you try a different sub like E3 or LTU, but then read that you've already started listening to E3, so I'm glad to hear that.
If I was in your shoes, I would continue to listen to E3 for at least 6 months or more, to help heal the hurt and fears you have from bad experiences with women in your past and maybe other emotional traumas that might be holding you back, then maybe try the final version of DMSI later once you're more healed up and ready for it.
Imo, another run of a healing sub won't change anything for CatMan. Clearly, it is not the right approach for him. For how many years did he run DMSI, which contained, before E3, the most advanced healing scripts of IML?
From an external point of view, I just see someone trying to hang on a method that failed so many times for him. I believe CM needs something entirely else to get past his issues. May be some sort of therapy, or a complete change of his mental state, idk but my guess is that his will should be strongly involved, instead of the passive involvement subs provoke which clearly so far didn't make any significant difference. Why keep doing the exact same thing again? Another 6 months of stagnation?
Anyway that's what I would do in your shoes, CM. I don't see the point in repeating the same thing exactly when it always failed in the past. Something different must happen.
Same thing for DMSI, I think you are expecting way too much from it.
Just my 2 cents.
I think Catman should give USLM4 a shot cause in cause to achieve success with women.. I can explain this but maybe later
Catman, nobody is attacking anybody. The reason you're here is for support and we're here to help you and Shannon has been trying to help you for quite some time. I think the proper response would be to ask for advice and to thank Shannon for the advice he's been giving you. You're understandably frustrated because you haven't been getting the results in life that you want, and he's understandably frustrated that you are batting down sound advice and taking things personally. Again, we're not attacking you. We want you to succeed and we want you to be the best version of yourself and for you to be happy. Please, keep working on yourself like you've been doing, hang in there even though it's difficult, and try to accept criticism and say thank you.
Catman helped me alot in my bad times and I will never forget that favour..
Therefore buddy, I will help you as long as it takes and now matter what people say.. I understand how you feel when no one understands you..
Guys try to understand Catman even if you don't understand him.. Cause that's what did to me and therefore. Thanks to his support I figured my shit out.. I saw Catman not giving up and this is why I didn't.. Many have left but Catman is still here since 2013..
Yeah Catman's a good guy.