Subliminal Talk

I'm curious what went so differently for the one that actually started getting laid off of DMSI?

Anyway, it's looking like the current version of DMSI is a huge failure when it comes to actually getting real results (sex with beautiful women) Hopefully, WM and SM will work better.

I get the sense that maybe a lot of people try to make their use of DMSI seem more successful than it really is because they spent time and money on it and don't want to think it was a waste.

Zane, this is what I'm talking about in my above posts.

Talking around the lack of success, moving the goalposts away from lack of success after the fact, rationalising lack of success, vague and feel-good platitudes to buffer the lack of success.

Bottom line, the program has been aspirational, rather than transformational. That much is abundantly clear, and has been for a very long time. The first step to changing that, is admitting that. Trying to deny that will help nothing. We need to be upfront and honest about sub experiences, or this will never change. He needs to have honest information about experiences to go on. That is the point.

If Ampersnd is confused enough about the vagueness of journals and posts from DMSI to make a thread to literally clarify if any tangible sexual results are being achieved, that's a problem. Both in reporting methods, and in actual lack of tangible sexual results. Being honest is the only way forward.

Also Ampersnd, Oversoul is likely the "1" out of 8. He stated it was about exes or girls in his social circle. So, it's very possible, especially in the exes situation, there was already enough existing rapport and sexual chemistry for the interaction to occur. In these types of situations, it's messy to quantify, hard to tell what exactly DMSI did, if anything. I felt that important to note.

Fantastic discussion so far, gentlemen. I just want to say that.

Yeah I find it refreshing that people are now just cutting through the bullshit and asking point blank about ACTUAL RESULTS. How many women are people actually getting from these subs? They have lots of sexy dreams and FEEL more confident and sexual, but where are the RESULTS? Where are the beautiful women lining up to have sex with any of these people? I mean they're paying anywhere from $115 to $500 per product on the promise that the product will deliver in that sense. The Sex Magnet and DMSI pages say beautiful women will try to seduce YOU. How many people have had that happen? The Woman Magnet page says you'll have lots of beautiful women to date and have sex with. How many people have had THAT happen?

And then there's the AYP subs. How many journals do you see reporting success in that regard? The current line seems to be: "Well, people can't seem to just SET IT AND FORGET IT, and keep getting in their own way"

MAYBE.

Or Maybe the product just doesn't work? Who knows? I used to think it was just because people weren't following instructions properly, but I look at the lack of results from SM, WM and DMSI and think "Maybe the AYP subs just don't work?" I feel really disheartened. I really want to be able to resolve issues from my past and become the man who gorgeous young women want, but it looks like these subs don't deliver like expected, and I was at this point really hinging my bet on those subs.

I think it's good to have these polls, not just because Shannon might see the honest feedback and change how he goes about making subs or try to improve the subs or whatever, but so that PEOPLE THINKING OF BUYING HIS SUBS have a realistic understanding as to their effectiveness before spending anywhere from $115 to $1000 (because you'd have to buy AM6 before using the magnets) on a product that doesn't actually work like it promises to.

When it comes to the end goal of DMSI then I didn't experience that. 2.x versions seemed to produce the most IOIs, which can be seen as a first step to the goal, but further steps didn't follow so far. In the bloom of version 3.0.1 and begin of 3.1 I had the longest dating period (usually I didn't come past first date) of my life but it disappeared on 3.1. And no sex so far. With the introduction of the wall in 3.2 the subs started to exhaust me in an extreme way and 3.3.1 created a lot of terror underneath.

The wall and the other anti-escape modules were meant to prevent partially execution and force the execute-or-run approach. But as far I can tell it from my experience when there is enough fear (or other sort of blockage) then it doesn't matter how many walls you put in, the result will be always run away, so from this perspective it would be useful to leave them out then there would be a chance that FRM (which still needs improvement) can do enough to execute before running away. I have also seen I guy reporting that fantasizing about women was for him like fuel to his desires and on 3.3.1 it wasn't present anymore. So all theses escapes can be at the same time escape and motivation. I remember in the past when I watched some porn I sometimes thought "I wish I could fuck her instead of this guy", which is also motivation. I think every of this anti-escape-modules can have some procrastinating impact as well as an motivating one. And it almost looks like these modules kill also the good sides as I notice that more and more people seem to not care about women anymore on the latest versions.

What I got from 1,5 years DMSI is a better attraction and better sense of attraction which is probably caused by the script of BIATBWS and I got a good job on 3.1 where I have no other explaination for than that 3.1 helped me there somehow. Last year on holiday I got laid, but it wasn't on DMSI but after USLM1 (and a bit USLM2).

Having all that said I must say that I really appreciate the effort @Shannon is putting into development of the subs, I don't think any other sub producer does the same.

I'm aware that I am in the minority here when I vote that it improved my sex life enormously.  I am also aware that most people won't believe me simply because I created it.  But the fact is, DMSI (3.1, no less) changed my sex life forever.

Now I know of at least one and possibly two others who can say the same.  

That means it does work, but for the majority it's not there yet.

CatMan has a lot of issues to work through to get there and a lot of guys do, apparently.  That's why we have seven versions out and another one?  two?  three? on the way.  But I can't work on DMSI and nothing else.  So DMSI isn't being phase out or killed, I'm just branching the development so I don't burn out and have zero desire to work on DMSI anymore.  Which is currently close to the case.

You think it's easy to be in my position?  It's the most ambitious goal I could find, making DMSI work, and I took it on because I knew it would make 6G the best it could be.  But transitioning from 5G to 6G, we are passing through a zone that nobody has ever gone through before, where the subs are starting to really touch nerves and that is making it hard for people to get results sometimes.

Remember that all of what I build in 5.5G must be rebuilt in 6G because of this.

When we touch those nerves, we are doing things nobody has ever done before.  We don't know those nerves are there.  We don't exactly approach them slowly.  We are trying to achieve the goal, and in doing so, find the reasons why nobody else ever has.  This is new territory for subliminals, and we don't always know how to achieve the goals.  That is also why we have 5.5G.  Identify the problem areas and fix them.

The reason I started working toward 6G and the reason I decided to work 6+ years on transitioning to 6G is that 5G didn't work like I wanted it to.  And during the process of getting to 6G we are going to have various different things happen that we didn't want to happen, partly because the technology is new and therefore may either be consciously misunderstood (as you don't know what's in the script) or because it does work and that reveals that something else needs to be improved to compensate or balance it.

You guys think I don't know we need to keep working?  Why would I spend 6+ years now working on 6G if I didn't know that?

It's not that I'm trying to shelf DMSI.   It's that I was starting to burn out, I needed to use something else to keep going and I had to develop new technologies to be able to advance it.  Development has continued in other subs, and when I work my way back to DMSI we will merge the updates with the DMSI skeleton script.

The biggest issues I have had with working on DMSI are the threat of burnout - who among you could do this job?  None, because if you could you would - and because I needed to advance the FRM significantly and finish the Magnus Engine.

The Magnus Engine is finished and the FRM is significantly further along.  But FRM is so deep and so complex and so challenging that it takes me months now to work out any advancement options at all.  When I release DMSI-Next, do you want it to work?  I do too.  So I'm focusing on the key factor that's been preventing it from working, both for the user and the affected: FEAR.

I expect that within the next 6 months I'll be finished with FRM.  Right now I'm just getting back to work on UMS and the CHA because I'm not spending 99.99997% of my time taking care of everyone else.  13 days of straight 100% GOGOGOGOGO to the point of exhaustion.  I took yesterday off and I'm taking today off and then I'm working on both UMS and CHA until they're done.  Then on to DMSI.

I want it to work for you every bit as much as you do.  The fact is, it can work for you all in the future, if I do the right things.  But this isn't necessarily going to happen on your choice of timelines or mine.  It's going to be delayed by things outside of my control and the fact that I can't discover the solution to overcoming fear at the wave of a wand.  You guys want the end result, but you're not really considering what has to go into it.  Nobody in history has ever done what I'm doing right now, which is to invent a solution to fear itself. You think reverse engineering how to solve fear is simple?  I'd wager nobody in history has done it before because it's not!

So chill.  I know you guys need to be getting better results with DMSI.  It's not doing what I want either.  I know you're getting antsy about the current version being long in the tooth.  I know you want the next thing to try.  Trust me, I'd love to be able to just drop everything and work on it after some of my recent advancements.  But I can't.  There's other stuff in the way, both concerning subliminals and out in the real world, that I have to deal with first.

Be patient.  It's coming.  I think you guys will appreciate the changes I make in 3.3.2(?).  I'm going to implement at least FRM 4.6, add the completed Magnus Engine and tune it to what should be optimal levels of power, and I'm going to adjust the aura to create that dreaded comfort that CM thinks is a terrible idea in the affected.  Sorry, CM, but they need it, and the FRM too.  We need them to be making decisions based on what they really are choosing of their own free will, not based on fear.  That's pretty much what's stopping us at this point I think.

Anyway, don't get your panties in a twist.  5.5G exists because the programs were not achieving the results I wanted.  I know about it.

(05-12-2019, 05:06 AM)Shawn Wrote: [ -> ]When it comes to the end goal of DMSI then I didn't experience that. 2.x versions seemed to produce the most IOIs, which can be seen as a first step to the goal, but further steps didn't follow so far. In the bloom of version 3.0.1 and begin of 3.1 I had the longest dating period (usually I didn't come past first date) of my life but it disappeared on 3.1. And no sex so far. With the introduction of the wall in 3.2 the subs started to exhaust me in an extreme way and 3.3.1 created a lot of terror underneath.

Shawn, the program didn't create terror underneath.  It revealed your fear of achieving the goal of the program by forcing you to have much fewer options to escape success.  That fear is why you were exhausted and why you resist.  DMSI didn't create it.

Quote:The wall and the other anti-escape modules were meant to prevent partially execution and force the execute-or-run approach.

 

No.  DMSI isn't trying to get you to approach.  It's trying to make you irresistibly sexually attractive so you don't have to approach.

Quote:But as far I can tell it from my experience when there is enough fear (or other sort of blockage) then it doesn't matter how many walls you put in, the result will be always run away, so from this perspective it would be useful to leave them out then there would be a chance that FRM (which still needs improvement) can do enough to execute before running away.

 

Exactly.  And you know that because we did that and it did not work, which is why we did that to see what would happen, because I did not have the answers.  You do what you think will work, and then you observe the results.  You make adjustments, and then you repeat.  Which is why we have seven versions with more on the way.

And yes, FRM still needs improvement. I'm working on it.  So far we have used up all ideas for how to improve it and I am doing work to find more.

Quote:I have also seen I guy reporting that fantasizing about women was for him like fuel to his desires and on 3.3.1 it wasn't present anymore. So all theses escapes can be at the same time escape and motivation. I remember in the past when I watched some porn I sometimes thought "I wish I could*****her instead of this guy", which is also motivation. I think every of this anti-escape-modules can have some procrastinating impact as well as an motivating one. And it almost looks like these modules kill also the good sides as I notice that more and more people seem to not care about women anymore on the latest versions.

Fantasizing about women as an escape for actually executing was blocked because it was just being used as an escape route.  I didn't block it in any other direction; if you are using it to escape, the program will try to shut down that escape route to force execution.  So if that happened, he was trying to escape and when that was shut down, he was left with "Oh, I guess I can't lie to myself about that actually being a good thing anymore."

These escapes cannot all be escapes and motivation at the same time.  You're kidding yourself.  As for them triggering procrastination, that is quite possible, because they prevent you from escaping and try to force the goal to be achieved.  When you have no other escape, you simply fight the execution, which looks like procrastination.  That's why we need the FRM.

As for not caring about women anymore, that's quite clearly an effort to derail execution also.  The program is trying to fire at the level of interest and attraction.  If the subconscious artificially shuts down interest and the attraction/interest is 0, what is going to happen?  Nothing, which is the goal of resistance.  I can have the program attracting everyone from 0 to 10 on your attractiveness scale equally, or I can have it scale to your level of attraction as to how hard it fires.  You want the latter.  Dealing with this is just one of the steps to getting there.  But this escape tactic is indicative that there's really not much left for the subconscious to try to avoid achieving the goals of the program.  So it's really a good thing.

Quote:What I got from 1,5 years DMSI is a better attraction and better sense of attraction which is probably caused by the script of BIATBWS and I got a good job on 3.1 where I have no other explaination for than that 3.1 helped me there somehow. Last year on holiday I got laid, but it wasn't on DMSI but after USLM1 (and a bit USLM2).

I'm sure that sex was a combination of USLM and DMSI working together, which only points to DMSI works, but most people derail it out of fear.

Quote:Having all that said I must say that I really appreciate the effort @Shannon is putting into development of the subs, I don't think any other sub producer does the same.

Thank you.

(05-12-2019, 05:35 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:The wall and the other anti-escape modules were meant to prevent partially execution and force the execute-or-run approach.

No.  DMSI isn't trying to get you to approach.  It's trying to make you irresistibly sexually attractive so you don't have to approach.

I didn't talk here about approaching women, what I meant was that you tried to achieve as result that people are either executing or stopping using the sub.

(05-12-2019, 05:35 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:But as far I can tell it from my experience when there is enough fear (or other sort of blockage) then it doesn't matter how many walls you put in, the result will be always run away, so from this perspective it would be useful to leave them out then there would be a chance that FRM (which still needs improvement) can do enough to execute before running away.

 

Exactly.  And you know that because we did that and it did not work, which is why we did that to see what would happen, because I did not have the answers.  You do what you think will work, and then you observe the results.  You make adjustments, and then you repeat.  Which is why we have seven versions with more on the way.

And yes, FRM still needs improvement. I'm working on it.  So far we have used up all ideas for how to improve it and I am doing work to find more.

I am pretty confident that once FRM is further improved any anti-escape modules will be obsolete. In the past it didn't work because H&C created only some sort of temporal relief but when FRM will remove these fears for good then we won't need any walls and stuff. Because people have already enough motivation or otherwise nobody would have run DMSI for years. Just fear was in the way.

(05-12-2019, 05:35 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:What I got from 1,5 years DMSI is a better attraction and better sense of attraction which is probably caused by the script of BIATBWS and I got a good job on 3.1 where I have no other explaination for than that 3.1 helped me there somehow. Last year on holiday I got laid, but it wasn't on DMSI but after USLM1 (and a bit USLM2).

I'm sure that sex was a combination of USLM and DMSI working together, which only points to DMSI works, but most people derail it out of fear.

DMSI definitely created some long term effects in terms of attraction so I am sure that helped. It just wasn't the way of direct influence as it would be with actively running the sub because it was months after DMSI usage.


However, hope you can sort out the problems you are dealing with at the moment.

(05-12-2019, 05:19 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I'm aware that I am in the minority here when I vote that it improved my sex life enormously.  I am also aware that most people won't believe me simply because I created it.  But the fact is, DMSI (3.1, no less) changed my sex life forever.

Now I know of at least one and possibly two others who can say the same.  

That means it does work, but for the majority it's not there yet.

CatMan has a lot of issues to work through to get there and a lot of guys do, apparently.  That's why we have seven versions out and another one?  two?  three? on the way.  But I can't work on DMSI and nothing else.  So DMSI isn't being phase out or killed, I'm just branching the development so I don't burn out and have zero desire to work on DMSI anymore.  Which is currently close to the case.

You think it's easy to be in my position?  It's the most ambitious goal I could find, making DMSI work, and I took it on because I knew it would make 6G the best it could be.  But transitioning from 5G to 6G, we are passing through a zone that nobody has ever gone through before, where the subs are starting to really touch nerves and that is making it hard for people to get results sometimes.

Remember that all of what I build in 5.5G must be rebuilt in 6G because of this.

When we touch those nerves, we are doing things nobody has ever done before.  We don't know those nerves are there.  We don't exactly approach them slowly.  We are trying to achieve the goal, and in doing so, find the reasons why nobody else ever has.  This is new territory for subliminals, and we don't always know how to achieve the goals.  That is also why we have 5.5G.  Identify the problem areas and fix them.

The reason I started working toward 6G and the reason I decided to work 6+ years on transitioning to 6G is that 5G didn't work like I wanted it to.  And during the process of getting to 6G we are going to have various different things happen that we didn't want to happen, partly because the technology is new and therefore may either be consciously misunderstood (as you don't know what's in the script) or because it does work and that reveals that something else needs to be improved to compensate or balance it.

You guys think I don't know we need to keep working?  Why would I spend 6+ years now working on 6G if I didn't know that?

It's not that I'm trying to shelf DMSI.   It's that I was starting to burn out, I needed to use something else to keep going and I had to develop new technologies to be able to advance it.  Development has continued in other subs, and when I work my way back to DMSI we will merge the updates with the DMSI skeleton script.

The biggest issues I have had with working on DMSI are the threat of burnout - who among you could do this job?  None, because if you could you would - and because I needed to advance the FRM significantly and finish the Magnus Engine.

The Magnus Engine is finished and the FRM is significantly further along.  But FRM is so deep and so complex and so challenging that it takes me months now to work out any advancement options at all.  When I release DMSI-Next, do you want it to work?  I do too.  So I'm focusing on the key factor that's been preventing it from working, both for the user and the affected: FEAR.

I expect that within the next 6 months I'll be finished with FRM.  Right now I'm just getting back to work on UMS and the CHA because I'm not spending 99.99997% of my time taking care of everyone else.  13 days of straight 100% GOGOGOGOGO to the point of exhaustion.  I took yesterday off and I'm taking today off and then I'm working on both UMS and CHA until they're done.  Then on to DMSI.

I want it to work for you every bit as much as you do.  The fact is, it can work for you all in the future, if I do the right things.  But this isn't necessarily going to happen on your choice of timelines or mine.  It's going to be delayed by things outside of my control and the fact that I can't discover the solution to overcoming fear at the wave of a wand.  You guys want the end result, but you're not really considering what has to go into it.  Nobody in history has ever done what I'm doing right now, which is to invent a solution to fear itself. You think reverse engineering how to solve fear is simple?  I'd wager nobody in history has done it before because it's not!

So chill.  I know you guys need to be getting better results with DMSI.  It's not doing what I want either.  I know you're getting antsy about the current version being long in the tooth.  I know you want the next thing to try.  Trust me, I'd love to be able to just drop everything and work on it after some of my recent advancements.  But I can't.  There's other stuff in the way, both concerning subliminals and out in the real world, that I have to deal with first.

Be patient.  It's coming.  I think you guys will appreciate the changes I make in 3.3.2(?).  I'm going to implement at least FRM 4.6, add the completed Magnus Engine and tune it to what should be optimal levels of power, and I'm going to adjust the aura to create that dreaded comfort that CM thinks is a terrible idea in the affected.  Sorry, CM, but they need it, and the FRM too.  We need them to be making decisions based on what they really are choosing of their own free will, not based on fear.  That's pretty much what's stopping us at this point I think.

Anyway, don't get your panties in a twist.  5.5G exists because the programs were not achieving the results I wanted.  I know about it.

 First off I wanna say "F***kin' A! Shannon!"
 I feel all points here and hearts shared and the concerns there of ,are indeed valid.
 One of the other fears to be removed goes something like this,"what if you actually got all the leg,P**sy,ass,ya wanted? what if you got all that you wanted and then some, Men? Is there a fear of becoming bored,,burned out on it,temporarily tired of it,fearing too much of it,or fear of too much of a good thing? Seems to me an even more advanced version of FRM  would handle all of that with perhaps some additional scripting to address the abouve,when and where needed of course.
Obviously USLM4 and LTU5 are clearly working and are way more advance now than the pervioius version,so again,stating the obvious,would that not stand to reason that a program such as AM7,BAMM and DMSI future versions would be equally as 'way more advanced' if not even more so? peace to all,may ya all get what chew want in even deeper higher ways than before!!

Seriously, I am ready to wait another 2-3 years.. No problem for me..

I got laid on it, but have also been in a relationship and wasnt concerned about it.  Was approached by women more, in some very obvious and sometimes insane ways that i was shocked by when they happened. Also found it only strengthened my masculine vibe and my masculinity in general.  Also had my girlfriend using it and her attention from men, which is already very high, went way up.  She did not seem more masculine.

This is just speculation but i think a lot of the individuals reporting issues with masculinity have those issues anyways.  Seeing as how the earlier male sexuality based subs have been based on AM its very possible that they are expecting that same assistance with dmsi.

I haven't used the latest version as some health and lifestyle goals have changed and so i don't know what's going on with the current version, but the earlier ones worked very well even when i wasn't using them specifically to get laid.  I plan on using it again after UMS most likely as it's a really fun experience once you get through the muck and i enjoy the energy aspects of it.

Hi Shannon. I figured you would post here at some point.

(05-12-2019, 05:19 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I expect that within the next 6 months I'll be finished with FRM. 

Are you planning to wait until then, the finishing of FRM, to release the next DMSI?

(05-12-2019, 05:19 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]...I'm going to adjust the aura to create that dreaded comfort that CM thinks is a terrible idea in the affected.  Sorry, CM, but they need it, and the FRM too.  We need them to be making decisions based on what they really are choosing of their own free will, not based on fear.  That's pretty much what's stopping us at this point I think.

1. Even MORE friend zoning and lack of sexual attraction then. Wonderful. :/ I'm so sick of the weak beta nice guy "funny/nice/charming" thing, they just swat it aside and never value or respect it, very disheartening to read this will be enhanced now. And if they do "need comfort", not sure why they line up for bad boys who give them the exact opposite in chaos and drama. I feel zero sexual attraction from them, but super beta and valueless, so if anything, massively boosting status, and massively boosting sexual attraction and "fear or danger around the man/dark triad" would be what they seem to line up for in reality I've witnessed more times than I could count. More "asexual friend zone Mr. Nice Guy" is deeply concerning to me.

2. This last part alarmed me a bit. You mention how they need to choose of "their own free will". Hmm...concerning also...so if those girls have already rejected us in the past for example, as I've had several around me that have done so over time that I really want to attract finally, or just aren't attracted by default for whatever reason, then how am I supposed to get anything going with any of them? How can this program change anything if they still have to choose us themselves without any influence, what does the program actually DO then? Seems like it'll change nothing then in reality if it all comes down to them choosing and having all the power, when they've already chosen beforehand or have a type and you aren't it anyway.

You've said before it attracts girls to us, somehow, because we're attracted to them, and somehow, to the level we are attracted to them as well. Now, they must have free will in order to do any of that you're saying, so I don't understand. I don't see how they can have free will, and the first part can remain true also. To be fair, I've never been given a clear explanation how this whole DMSI process works from listener to "affected", without lots of woo woo. But still, seems like either the first part of the paragraph doesn't work in reality, or the second part, the free will, derails everything as they choose to not want you, negating the program.

I'm kinda rushed here, so this may not be 100% what I wanted to say, but wanted to get it up asap. The intent behind all of it should be clear, regardless.

Thank you, appreciate your time.

(05-16-2019, 07:43 AM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Shannon. I figured you would post here at some point.

I would have posted a lot more if I didn't have all this drama going on.  Your first post is full of misunderstandings.  I'm afraid I can't clear them up just now.

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(05-12-2019, 05:19 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I expect that within the next 6 months I'll be finished with FRM. 

Are you planning to wait until then, the finishing of FRM, to release the next DMSI?

(05-12-2019, 05:19 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]...I'm going to adjust the aura to create that dreaded comfort that CM thinks is a terrible idea in the affected.  Sorry, CM, but they need it, and the FRM too.  We need them to be making decisions based on what they really are choosing of their own free will, not based on fear.  That's pretty much what's stopping us at this point I think.

1. Even MORE friend zoning and lack of sexual attraction then. Wonderful. :/ I'm so sick of the weak beta nice guy "funny/nice/charming" thing, they just swat it aside and never value or respect it, very disheartening to read this will be enhanced now. And if they do "need comfort", not sure why they line up for bad boys who give them the exact opposite in chaos and drama. I feel zero sexual attraction from them, but super beta and valueless, so if anything, massively boosting status, and massively boosting sexual attraction and "fear or danger around the man/dark triad" would be what they seem to line up for in reality I've witnessed more times than I could count. More "asexual friend zone Mr. Nice Guy" is deeply concerning to me.

If the problem were what you think it is, what I am planning to do would still help.  

Problem A: The people running the program fear achieving the full results that the script can achieve.
Solution A: Remove that fear and execute the script fully.

Problem B: The people being affected are in many cases wanting to do things that they consider somehow threatening to do, whether they are in public or otherwise.  They therefore do things to prevent anything from happening towards them achieving their desires.
Solution B: Remove that fear so they can make the choice of what to do with their rational mind, instead of having a knee jerk fear reaction that doesn't take into account the real desires they have, the real situation and the real consequences because of some imagined "boogeyman".

Removing the fear for the people you are affecting will make them more comfortable with what they are feeling towards you, and leave them with logic with which to decide what to do about it.  It's not going to take away their free will, but it will provide them with the freedom to make their choices without an irrational blockade of fear.  Thus, comfort with considering their response to you and what to do about it.

You are completely misunderstanding the situation, and thinking way too much in the PUA mindset.  Remember that DMSI is designed not to make you a better PUA or give you any "dark triad" or affect your expression of your focus into your gender, but to cause you to generate an energy field that powerfully and successfully communicates to those you want to have sex with that you are an excellent choice for having sex with.  

The real problem you are talking about does not stem from DMSI, it stems from you.  What you're  seeing almost certainly consists of two main issues:

1. You're most likely not executing enough to project that energy in the first place.  I don't know, since you never reported.  
2. You're almost certainly self sabotaging through body language, choices, actions, etc. in order to prevent yourself from succeeding.

Since the script is designed to prevent that sort of thing, all I can conclude is that we are probably getting closer, but you're still simply self sabotaging out of fear.

Quote:2. This last part alarmed me a bit. You mention how they need to choose of "their own free will". Hmm...concerning also...so if those girls have already rejected us in the past for example, as I've had several around me that have done so over time that I really want to attract finally, or just aren't attracted by default for whatever reason, then how am I supposed to get anything going with any of them? How can this program change anything if they still have to choose us themselves without any influence, what does the program actually DO then? Seems like it'll change nothing then in reality if it all comes down to them choosing and having all the power, when they've already chosen beforehand or have a type and you aren't it anyway.

This program is never going to take away anyone's free will.  That's precisely why you can and do still resist it.  It isn't giving you the right set of instructions yet for how to achieve it's goals through persuasion alone.  It also will never take away the free will of the person you are affecting through your energy field and the modulations to it that DMSI is doing.  Taking away their free will is not just bad, it would be illegal.  I'm not going to produce a program that takes the easy way to achieving its goals but does so in a way that makes the program illegal.  That would be bad for DMSI, IML and the entire subliminal industry.  So what it is doing now is to give you the energy that causes the affected to be much more aware of you, and which naturally signals you as the ideal sexual partner and pick.  The concept is something like pheromones, but made of energy, and which we can amp up and manipulate with much higher degrees of control and power.  The goal is to communicate that the user is the most sexually attractive person they know, in a persuasive way that does not override their choice of what to think or what to do about it.  

You should already know that for literally years it has had the ability to get people who are affected to re-assess their point of view concerning you.  Just as some pheromones can generate this re-consideration and re-assessment.  The key is, of course, to actually execute.

As usual, I see you're still beating the tired old dead horse of "them having all the power", despite being told thousands of times and seeing many examples of this being just a case of you insisting that the past must be the future as a self defense mechanism to protect you from actually making any changes that might get you what you consciously want.  They only have the power you give them.  

When DMSI is finished, and probably close to finished, everyone else will see that what I have been saying all along has been true, we just needed to figure out how to build the right script.  You, well, that remains to be seen as to how FRM and the completed Magnus Engine affect you and your refusal to change and all-encompassing focus into fear and a mindset of sexual and romantic poverty (which, as you have been seeing and ignoring for a long  long time now, generates the reality you currently experience beautifully).

Quote:You've said before it attracts girls to us, somehow, because we're attracted to them, and somehow, to the level we are attracted to them as well. Now, they must have free will in order to do any of that you're saying, so I don't understand. I don't see how they can have free will, and the first part can remain true also. To be fair, I've never been given a clear explanation how this whole DMSI process works from listener to "affected", without lots of woo woo. But still, seems like either the first part of the paragraph doesn't work in reality, or the second part, the free will, derails everything as they choose to not want you, negating the program.

I'm kinda rushed here, so this may not be 100% what I wanted to say, but wanted to get it up asap. The intent behind all of it should be clear, regardless.

Thank you, appreciate your time.

So CatMan believes that women should have no free will, because if they do, he won't get laid.  And, anything he doesn't understand, doesn't see with his own eyes, doesn't want to hear, and/or doesn't want to understand is "woo woo".  

I have actually explained how it works and I know you read it.  We have seen enough results to know that, when the script is executed, it can and does produce the desired results.  We also know that this is apparently a very scary thing for most people to do.  So there's a lot of fighting to not execute to protect the users from scary sex.

Lately you sound like the whole first two years you were here using DMSI never happened.  I'm guessing this is a doubling down of your subconscious to blind you to the fact that if it wasn't doing that you might be getting much better results.  But this is a pattern for you, CM.

Furthermore, just how do you think you would feel if I created a version of DMSI that could take away the free will of the affected, and it was you being affected?  Would you like that?  I know I wouldn't.  And we also have to find a way to keep DMSI from damaging happy relationships that already exist.  I don't want some guy I meet at a convention I happen to attend DMSI'ing my girlfriend into bed.  I'm sure none of you would like that either.  I'm sure a lot of happily married men and women would much rather their happy marriages didn't disintegrate just to get your penis wet.  And I'm sure that if DMSI did all these things, it would create such panic among the SJWs that we would end up with the SJWs inciting a media frenzy over the "grand conspiracy to control women's minds", which would lead to all sorts of bad laws and worse conditions for the entire subliminal industry.  So you have to think with something other than your penis here, man.  You have to consider the ramifications and consequences of what we are trying to do here, and what will result when we achieve the goals.  Taking away someone's free will with this isn't just illegal, it would be a genuine nightmare.  And it's not worth you or anyone else getting their dick wet in some woman who rejected them for.  

The end goal is to achieve the goals of the program, while balancing the effects to prevent that alarmist reaction out of misunderstanding, fear, SJW bullshit, media agenda and political agendas.

You wouldn't need to know how it worked even if you didn't already know.  But refusing to allow it to work because you don't understand, or "believe in", how it works, is just another way for you to refuse to cooperate.

(05-16-2019, 07:43 AM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Shannon. I figured you would post here at some point.

(05-12-2019, 05:19 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I expect that within the next 6 months I'll be finished with FRM. 

Are you planning to wait until then, the finishing of FRM, to release the next DMSI?

(05-12-2019, 05:19 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]...I'm going to adjust the aura to create that dreaded comfort that CM thinks is a terrible idea in the affected.  Sorry, CM, but they need it, and the FRM too.  We need them to be making decisions based on what they really are choosing of their own free will, not based on fear.  That's pretty much what's stopping us at this point I think.

1. Even MORE friend zoning and lack of sexual attraction then. Wonderful. :/ I'm so sick of the weak beta nice guy "funny/nice/charming" thing, they just swat it aside and never value or respect it, very disheartening to read this will be enhanced now. And if they do "need comfort", not sure why they line up for bad boys who give them the exact opposite in chaos and drama. I feel zero sexual attraction from them, but super beta and valueless, so if anything, massively boosting status, and massively boosting sexual attraction and "fear or danger around the man/dark triad" would be what they seem to line up for in reality I've witnessed more times than I could count. More "asexual friend zone Mr. Nice Guy" is deeply concerning to me.

2. This last part alarmed me a bit. You mention how they need to choose of "their own free will". Hmm...concerning also...so if those girls have already rejected us in the past for example, as I've had several around me that have done so over time that I really want to attract finally, or just aren't attracted by default for whatever reason, then how am I supposed to get anything going with any of them? How can this program change anything if they still have to choose us themselves without any influence, what does the program actually DO then? Seems like it'll change nothing then in reality if it all comes down to them choosing and having all the power, when they've already chosen beforehand or have a type and you aren't it anyway.

You've said before it attracts girls to us, somehow, because we're attracted to them, and somehow, to the level we are attracted to them as well. Now, they must have free will in order to do any of that you're saying, so I don't understand. I don't see how they can have free will, and the first part can remain true also. To be fair, I've never been given a clear explanation how this whole DMSI process works from listener to "affected", without lots of woo woo. But still, seems like either the first part of the paragraph doesn't work in reality, or the second part, the free will, derails everything as they choose to not want you, negating the program.

I'm kinda rushed here, so this may not be 100% what I wanted to say, but wanted to get it up asap. The intent behind all of it should be clear, regardless.

Thank you, appreciate your time.

Hmm.

Seems to me you're demanding power over people (in this particular case, women), instead of actually desiring to achieve maximum sexual irresisitibility, or perhaps even actually wanting to, like, have consensual sex with them or something.

Overpowering someone is a form of violence, and should be abhorred, especially if you use woo woo. Usually, people tend to want to overpower things they're scared of. An act of symbolic castration, as daddy Freud would have put it.

It's like this: you're asking for stick, stick, and more stick, while I tend to agree with Shannon and would say that it's better to dangle a nice, big, long, fresh carrot in front of them and then tell them it's okay if they eat it. Because, trust me, women are going to be getting hit with tons of other sticks from many different directions to discourage them from tasting that long, juicy carrot they really want, lol.

"I don't know, since you never reported."

We both know that isn't true! My last journal had hundreds of thousands of views, it's in the graveyard now for verification. You know, the journal where I was apparently getting "amazing results for two years". You can't claim I don't report, then claim I reported getting awesome results for two years. One or the other, not both. And in recent journals, I get so sick of reporting, in massive detail often, taking 2-3 hours or more to write a post, and ALWAYS being criticised in the 3 same ways over and over in return, speaking of "dead horses":

1. "You're wrong."

2. "Logical fallacy."

3. "You're resisting, just stop resisting."

Over and over and over, always the same 3 themes. Gets old after awhile. So, I take tons of time TO report, and generally get no value back as things aren't listened to as I'm "wrong" or it's a "logical fallacy" or just being told a variation of "you're resisting, just stop resisting". I basically end up receiving generally nothing but grief, frustration and anger. I wonder why I don't like doing it.

And I figured you'd get triggered by the "free will" thing, after the fact I was sure that'd happen unfortunately. If you read what I said again though, you'd see I wasn't advocating slapping burqas on every girl and going back to the middle ages...I was asking about how I don't get how they can be given free will, but the program ALSO is supposed to get them sexually attracted to us, and to the degree we are attracted to them, because we are attracted to them. And I didn't see how THAT aspect, they get attracted to us at the level we are to them, how that's even possible. But also, overall I didn't get how that isn't a contradiction, how they have free will but the program still does that to them, and wanted clarification on the entire process. And yes, I remember your post on it, but I also remember it was pretty vague and since I'm in the obvious minority here who isn't "into" "energy" and "chi" and what not, I felt it made me question it, especially since we have yet, years later, to see widespread results as conceptualised. So, I felt it was a fair question to table again. This new explanation adds a bit more info, which I appreciate. Have yet to see any of that occur in reality. So do many others, before it's compartmentalised into somehow being ME as the only one not getting design goal again.

"You should already know that for literally years it has had the ability to get people who are affected to re-assess their point of view concerning you." I don't know why I should "know" that, I have no idea what's in the script in reality. You need to understand, we have absolutely NO IDEA if there is even anything put into these things in reality. We aren't a part of the development process, the creation process, so from our perspective, it's impossible to know what is in it, what isn't first hand. We buy, we download, we listen. That's it. We have no idea beyond that. And no girl has exhibited that to me over years of usage. Quite the opposite behaviour over time in fact either not an option at all, or friend zoned etc. #3 incoming, "you're resisting". And I'm not the only one, before compartmentalising again.

"As usual, I see you're still beating the tired old dead horse of "them having all the power", despite being told thousands of times and seeing many examples of this being just a case of you insisting that the past must be the future as a self defense mechanism to protect you from actually making any changes that might get you what you consciously want. They only have the power you give them."

Here we go again. Oh really? What examples have I allegedly seen to refute this, exactly? I've seen examples that fortify this constantly, girls around me I see them have massive power, and pretty much have whatever option they wish, so no clue what you're talking about. Especially in my dealings with them, it's unfortunately pretty obvious which one has more power and has more options and has less interest in the other. Bottom line, the average girl has WAY more options than the average guy, attractive girls, times that by ten MINIMUM. I see this play out in reality every day of my life around me first hand. Start an online dating profile, pick an average girl's photos, put them up, watch what happens. This has nothing to do with "me" or "change"...and everything to do with REALITY. Proof positive...if WE had the power, none of us would NEED to listen to thousands of hours of subs to get girls. Yet here we are. I'm sure somehow that's still a "you're wrong" or a "logical fallacy" though...or perhaps all 3 of the above, mixing in some "you're resisting, just stop resisting" as well.

"You, well, that remains to be seen as to how FRM and the completed Magnus Engine affect you and your refusal to change and all-encompassing focus into fear and a mindset of sexual and romantic poverty"

Who says I have a "refusal to change"? You love to keep claiming that, and I've refuted it so many times I can't even count anymore, it's tiresome. I'm out every week with attractive women, I'm reading every week about the mind and about women to improve myself, I've spent tons of money on subs as well, so my conscience is clean so far. It's a two-way street, in the end, we need engagement from them for it to matter. And that hasn't happened, that isn't on me given what I've done. I can only control one half of the situation. And again, subtly claiming it's just ME having issues seeing the program work...when that's hardly the case...So I just "believe" attractive girls want me, and then they magically will? How can I believe it if it's never happened and I have zero evidence to back it up? It's as random as believing in rule 4 with zero evidence. Reminds me of the "there's no weeds" old self help mantra...meanwhile in reality the garden is overflowing with them, belief alone does jack without RESULTS to back it up. If I "believed" I could be a MM, but never got any feedback that I could've done it, ie. PROOF, then it never would've happened. I NEED the RESULTS to come in at some point to shore up the belief, or it's just delusion. I'm sure this will be #1, #2, maybe even #3, but I experienced the same thing when working through the business world...that was my experience in cold, hard reality while doing it. I had to see tangible evidence it was "real" to do for me, before the floodgates opened. I had to get the ball rolling...through SOME kind of encouragement from success...

We haven't seen "enough" results at all, actually...this thread is further proof of that. And more of #3 "you're resisting".

"Lately you sound like the whole first two years you were here using DMSI never happened. I'm guessing this is a doubling down of your subconscious to blind you to the fact that if it wasn't doing that you might be getting much better results. But this is a pattern for you, CM."

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF?! ARE YOU SERIOUS RIGHT NOW!? News flash: I'm still a virgin, no kiss, no date, no girlfriend. 37 years old. Still being viewed as a non-option, still being friend zoned. Many girls back then I really liked, I was around many more that have since departed over time which really sucks, many of them were just gorgeous. They left my circle and I didn't have DMSI help me close the deal, they're gone now, it'd be a bit of a pain to rekindle, though I want to if I know the program works someday I'd make the effort to gladly. Failed opportunities I still regret to this day in a few cases. Doesn't sound like "amazing results" to me. I have no idea what "amazing results" you keep claiming I was getting for two years. Maybe I should have my thread dragged out of the graveyard so everyone can see it if they want if I'm being called a liar for some weird reason. This is very irritating! Bottom line, it hasn't worked all along, I resent that lie that it has worked for me and I'm making all this up for ???. I have used every version back to V2.2. I even bought V1 to SUPPORT YOU, even while I was listening to E2 and couldn't use it for a long time. Nice to be called a liar now in return...after I opened up and bought yet another program here too. Wow.

Yet another total misunderstanding on the free will thing...

Another #3 again, cool.

Overall, reporting on DMSI beforehand in the thread, has turned out to be a very irritating experience for me now, yet again. This is why I don't like to, at best my words aren't listened to and I get a #1 "you're wrong" and/or #2 "logical fallacy" and #3 "you're resisting", at worst, I'm called a liar and that allegedly I had amazing results for a long time and started developing amnesia...this really irritates me.

Can't see why I have little interest in reporting...

This is what I've said so often, damned if I do, damned if I don't. I don't get why this happens here for me, it's bizarre. If I don't report, the program can't be improved for me, and I get criticised for not reporting. When I DO report, I get massive triggering, and everything I say gets invalidated behind a wall of:

1. "you're wrong"

2. "logical fallacy"

3. "you're resisting, just stop resisting"

So...what's the point of reporting, unless it's praise? I seem to get nothing but anger out of it. And in years of doing so, the program hasn't gotten me executing anyway, despite allegations I've totally executed for two years like Dan Bilzerian and suddenly developed amnesia which is insane.

See, I had a really nice day out today. Now this has really pissed me off and completely ruined my mood. Great. Exactly why I HATE reporting on this goddamn program. This happens every time. I'm so sick of it.