Yes you probably can kick their asses, you're talking about the dojo.. and no matter how alive it is doesn't compare to reality which is chaotic.
Have you actually proven any of this in reality or is this just ego of "no average person unless they have a gun or a knife will touch me".. because to me it's sounding like all ego and no proof in reality or any real experience.. sparring, kicking someones ass in a sport context is 1000% different.
I don't say this coming from no training or being a out of shape 'street fighter' who's never touched a weight in his life. I trained for years before I even did security, learnt from a fighter, freestyle martial arts comparable to mma but before it was big, close quarter combat.. yet getting into real fights I had no idea what I was in for.
The fact you think that me saying mma does not cover the most important factors of self defense is a non argument speaks of all dojo experience and no real experience. That was my main point, it will do alot to prepare you but is missing alot.
I'm not under the illusion I could walk in to a class and beat a mma dude, i'd get my ass kicked.. but put them in a different domain and ALL they have is the physical and no idea of how fights actual work, how it builds up to it and dealing with those things.. they will be at a severe disadvantage even if somebody with no form, is fat and out of shape but knows how to set them up for their own advantage.
And when I say a 'fight' I don't mean standing there shaping up to each other in a ring with a referee.. I mean someone coming at you with full intent, coming out of 'nowhere' (if you don't understand how it develops), or trying to take you by surprise, bringing their friends in. They don't close the distance with kicks or takedowns they close it with dialogue to put themselves in a position to take you out.. and you'll learn absolutely zero of how to deal with that in mma.
Yes you're much more prepared than the general public, fit.. it all helps and puts you ahead of most people, and far ahead of karate or tkd. But what i'm mainly saying is it has some very massive holes that are not covered in mma because by it's nature it's a sport.
Damn... this seems to have reawoken my old passion for it temporarily. I moved away from it after I got put in hospital and worked on alot of stuff and realized I didn't want to be in that environment anymore (nightclub security) because of the effect it had on me. There was also some pretty metaphysical stuff I learnt that goes deeper in that there was reasons I was attracting so many fights when I did the job that others weren't and when I dealt with that it lessened alot.
Have you actually proven any of this in reality or is this just ego of "no average person unless they have a gun or a knife will touch me".. because to me it's sounding like all ego and no proof in reality or any real experience.. sparring, kicking someones ass in a sport context is 1000% different.
I don't say this coming from no training or being a out of shape 'street fighter' who's never touched a weight in his life. I trained for years before I even did security, learnt from a fighter, freestyle martial arts comparable to mma but before it was big, close quarter combat.. yet getting into real fights I had no idea what I was in for.
The fact you think that me saying mma does not cover the most important factors of self defense is a non argument speaks of all dojo experience and no real experience. That was my main point, it will do alot to prepare you but is missing alot.
I'm not under the illusion I could walk in to a class and beat a mma dude, i'd get my ass kicked.. but put them in a different domain and ALL they have is the physical and no idea of how fights actual work, how it builds up to it and dealing with those things.. they will be at a severe disadvantage even if somebody with no form, is fat and out of shape but knows how to set them up for their own advantage.
And when I say a 'fight' I don't mean standing there shaping up to each other in a ring with a referee.. I mean someone coming at you with full intent, coming out of 'nowhere' (if you don't understand how it develops), or trying to take you by surprise, bringing their friends in. They don't close the distance with kicks or takedowns they close it with dialogue to put themselves in a position to take you out.. and you'll learn absolutely zero of how to deal with that in mma.
Yes you're much more prepared than the general public, fit.. it all helps and puts you ahead of most people, and far ahead of karate or tkd. But what i'm mainly saying is it has some very massive holes that are not covered in mma because by it's nature it's a sport.
Damn... this seems to have reawoken my old passion for it temporarily. I moved away from it after I got put in hospital and worked on alot of stuff and realized I didn't want to be in that environment anymore (nightclub security) because of the effect it had on me. There was also some pretty metaphysical stuff I learnt that goes deeper in that there was reasons I was attracting so many fights when I did the job that others weren't and when I dealt with that it lessened alot.
