Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[Hatman]

UMOP is not included in USLM as a goal or subgoal. The motivation is a natural side effect of USLM.

Sorry, that wasn't a serious statement, hence why I used a meme.

My motivation and productivity has been through the roof lately under USLM and it made me realize that I'll probably never run UMOP even though I have it. I rather have this motivation and focus it towards success rather have it just for the sake of it. Thanks for changing my mind lol

[Jake2015]

@Shannon
After reading your and Catman's discussion I see that I could be one of the so-called 2% or in my case perhaps 1% since nothing has worked for me on any sub of the many I have tried except for no-fap from 1 loop on 3.2. Multiple loops did nothing.

I don't want to be in this minority. I want to execute and I want you to succeed for me for Catman and everyone. It's in our vested interested afterall.

I started with IML in 2015 officially which is when I packed my bags and flew to Europe to do my dream degree. I invested in a $400 dollar stereo speaker system - us brand (A2+ AudioEngine) - shipped over to me in Europe all at a considerable cost as I believe both in the subs and my belief for wanting them to work.

I jumped from sub to sub hoping they worked purchasing each as I went forward and had issues in playing regularly as I had obstacles in my way either from my health or from travelling back, a flooded room in the UK meaning sleeping in the lounge when last member of family went to sleep (ie not getting 8 loops worth of sleep or listening time)and so forth or a silly inconsistent uni schedule or my own insomnia etc.

I would play via my mobile when I would return to the UK as I couldn't find any affordable cheap speakers to play whilst in the UK and would play with a mobile since this was assured to me I could by you. Only now I got an answer indirectly that mobiles work for you probably only you thus went and bought brand new speakers for my UK bedroom to play whenever I return back to the UK to my newly refurbished bedroom.

I have only been listening to um/op for a short time so far coming to my 2nd break of 2 days soon and so far nothing.

I really want to help you to help me and all like me.

I try to positively and politely always give feedback and my pov as and when I can. I don't always read everything on this forum nor visit daily due to time so don't take it to heart at all when others get critical of my questions since this is me asking what I genuinely need to know due to how I feel at that moment in time.

I now after reading your discussion really want to help you to make every sub work for all of us from the 98 to the 2 and 1%.

What can I do to help you? I am happy to and only for this reason happy to leave um/op and get back on dmsi if this helps or whatever you suggest.

I want these subs to work and I do whatever I can. Nothing for me has changed. When the no fap worked on 3.2 I did nothing different. I played and I listened and only variable I saw was that for the 1 loop I used headphones. Perhaps for me or for all headphones are the only means for execution but more than 1 loop with headphones is very uncomfortable or unlikely for me due to my lifestyle. I still do believe headphones are the variable that allowed me to execute 3.2 no fap subgoal.

Post 3.2 so far um/op hasn't shown me any indication of execution. It's the same tech but no execution.

To help you with as much support and data as I can what would you like and what would you suggest I do for you?

Thanks buddy and to Catman and all good luck to us!

The key to being helpful is to help me understand how and why you are resisting, and how to help you execute instead. So far the only thing I have been able to do to figure this out is build, observe, adjust, repeat.

The next few versions of DMSI are going to need to be tested by the most challenging of you. I'm seeing a definite pattern in why the resistance is happening, and what is behind it. Figuring out how to change it to execution is what I'm working on now.

The only thing I can suggest is, keep doing DMSI when it comes out, and stick to whatever instructions I give you during the run.

Thank you @Shannon.
Therefore shall I immediately stop UM/OP?

And if so may I have a refund for this which will help me towards further versions of DMSI?

I will try my best to give you as much data as I can from my journals and ask that you ask me anything specific as we go forward should you need more information from me.

Thanks buddy!

[Steve_]

This blue wall of text thing isn't really necessary. Please try to quote the pertinent parts of the text that you are responding to please. It makes the board much more friendly to read.
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[ncbeareatingman]

This blue wall of text thing isn't really necessary. Please try to quote the pertinent parts of the text that you are responding to please. It makes the board much more friendly to read.
@ nobody in particular


Got it. thanx fer da Tip ,Cy-Borg:-)

[Shannon]

The key to being helpful is to help me understand how and why you are resisting, and how to help you execute instead. So far the only thing I have been able to do to figure this out is build, observe, adjust, repeat.

The next few versions of DMSI are going to need to be tested by the most challenging of you. I'm seeing a definite pattern in why the resistance is happening, and what is behind it. Figuring out how to change it to execution is what I'm working on now.

The only thing I can suggest is, keep doing DMSI when it comes out, and stick to whatever instructions I give you during the run.

Thank you @Shannon.
Therefore shall I immediately stop UM/OP?

And if so may I have a refund for this which will help me towards further versions of DMSI?

I will try my best to give you as much data as I can from my journals and ask that you ask me anything specific as we go forward should you need more information from me.

Thanks buddy!

If you're using UMOP, keep using it. If you want a refund, you have to follow the refund policy. It is in place to be fair to both our customers and ourselves. Ignoring it on a whim makes it useless.

I have run you through the models, and these are the results for how to get results from UMOP.

The best results (which look really good) for you come from using it for 11 loops per day, every day.

Second best results come from 5 loops per day.

11 loops a day is vastly superior, of course, but may be difficult for you to get in a single day. If it is at all possible, do 11 loops. I think you'll be very pleased with the results.

Don't worry about DMSI until you're done using UMOP for three months, as instructed. I think it is important to find a way to get past your fears without focusing on so many goals at once. UMOP is a much less ambitious option for the time being. Let's try to take baby steps, shall we? And if this doesn't work, we can go back to DMSI.

I think you'll find, once you break through your resistance to UMOP, that two things happen.

1. You're going to really enjoy UMOP.
2. You're going to feel a lot better because you'll see that you can break through that fear and get things accomplished.

[KingDavid93]

Out of curiosity, how do you go about putting an individual through the models without actually knowing them?

Are you truly able to learn enough about them through their posts to model their results?

What exactly do you need to know about someone in order to put them through your models?

[Jake2015]

The key to being helpful is to help me understand how and why you are resisting, and how to help you execute instead. So far the only thing I have been able to do to figure this out is build, observe, adjust, repeat.

The next few versions of DMSI are going to need to be tested by the most challenging of you. I'm seeing a definite pattern in why the resistance is happening, and what is behind it. Figuring out how to change it to execution is what I'm working on now.

The only thing I can suggest is, keep doing DMSI when it comes out, and stick to whatever instructions I give you during the run.

Thank you @Shannon.
Therefore shall I immediately stop UM/OP?

And if so may I have a refund for this which will help me towards further versions of DMSI?

I will try my best to give you as much data as I can from my journals and ask that you ask me anything specific as we go forward should you need more information from me.

Thanks buddy!

If you're using UMOP, keep using it. If you want a refund, you have to follow the refund policy. It is in place to be fair to both our customers and ourselves. Ignoring it on a whim makes it useless.

I have run you through the models, and these are the results for how to get results from UMOP.

The best results (which look really good) for you come from using it for 11 loops per day, every day.

Second best results come from 5 loops per day.

11 loops a day is vastly superior, of course, but may be difficult for you to get in a single day. If it is at all possible, do 11 loops. I think you'll be very pleased with the results.

Don't worry about DMSI until you're done using UMOP for three months, as instructed. I think it is important to find a way to get past your fears without focusing on so many goals at once. UMOP is a much less ambitious option for the time being. Let's try to take baby steps, shall we? And if this doesn't work, we can go back to DMSI.

I think you'll find, once you break through your resistance to UMOP, that two things happen.

1. You're going to really enjoy UMOP.
2. You're going to feel a lot better because you'll see that you can break through that fear and get things accomplished.

Wow thank you Shannon.

11 loops is 11 continuous loops I presume yes or total of 11 loops in any way within 24hours?

I'll have a good think about it but 5hours seems most likely I think which is a pity if 11 will give me the most results.

How much more inferior would 5 loops be to the 11? Can I not compromise and do 6-8loops a day?

And the ARSB please is now daily no breaks or it remains 7 days on 2 days off?

Again thank you really appreciate it!

[Shannon]

The key to being helpful is to help me understand how and why you are resisting, and how to help you execute instead. So far the only thing I have been able to do to figure this out is build, observe, adjust, repeat.

The next few versions of DMSI are going to need to be tested by the most challenging of you. I'm seeing a definite pattern in why the resistance is happening, and what is behind it. Figuring out how to change it to execution is what I'm working on now.

The only thing I can suggest is, keep doing DMSI when it comes out, and stick to whatever instructions I give you during the run.

Thank you @Shannon.
Therefore shall I immediately stop UM/OP?

And if so may I have a refund for this which will help me towards further versions of DMSI?

I will try my best to give you as much data as I can from my journals and ask that you ask me anything specific as we go forward should you need more information from me.

Thanks buddy!

If you're using UMOP, keep using it. If you want a refund, you have to follow the refund policy. It is in place to be fair to both our customers and ourselves. Ignoring it on a whim makes it useless.

I have run you through the models, and these are the results for how to get results from UMOP.

The best results (which look really good) for you come from using it for 11 loops per day, every day.

Second best results come from 5 loops per day.

11 loops a day is vastly superior, of course, but may be difficult for you to get in a single day. If it is at all possible, do 11 loops. I think you'll be very pleased with the results.

Don't worry about DMSI until you're done using UMOP for three months, as instructed. I think it is important to find a way to get past your fears without focusing on so many goals at once. UMOP is a much less ambitious option for the time being. Let's try to take baby steps, shall we? And if this doesn't work, we can go back to DMSI.

I think you'll find, once you break through your resistance to UMOP, that two things happen.

1. You're going to really enjoy UMOP.
2. You're going to feel a lot better because you'll see that you can break through that fear and get things accomplished.

Wow thank you Shannon.

11 loops is 11 continuous loops I presume yes or total of 11 loops in any way within 24hours?

As always, all loops must be contiguous.

I'll have a good think about it but 5hours seems most likely I think which is a pity if 11 will give me the most results.

How much more inferior would 5 loops be to the 11? Can I not compromise and do 6-8loops a day?

Did I say you could compromise? You will get best results at 11 loops a day, and second best results at 5. 6 also showed a positive result, but the indicators were suggesting that you would not be getting as good a result as 5 loops. I would count 6 loops as a third rate choice, and one which will not pan out well in the long run.

And the ARSB please is now daily no breaks or it remains 7 days on 2 days off?

Again thank you really appreciate it!

ASRB is the same. Just do 5 or 11 loops a day. Let's see if you find a way to stonewall this.

[Jake2015]

The key to being helpful is to help me understand how and why you are resisting, and how to help you execute instead. So far the only thing I have been able to do to figure this out is build, observe, adjust, repeat.

The next few versions of DMSI are going to need to be tested by the most challenging of you. I'm seeing a definite pattern in why the resistance is happening, and what is behind it. Figuring out how to change it to execution is what I'm working on now.

The only thing I can suggest is, keep doing DMSI when it comes out, and stick to whatever instructions I give you during the run.

Thank you @Shannon.
Therefore shall I immediately stop UM/OP?

And if so may I have a refund for this which will help me towards further versions of DMSI?

I will try my best to give you as much data as I can from my journals and ask that you ask me anything specific as we go forward should you need more information from me.

Thanks buddy!

If you're using UMOP, keep using it. If you want a refund, you have to follow the refund policy. It is in place to be fair to both our customers and ourselves. Ignoring it on a whim makes it useless.

I have run you through the models, and these are the results for how to get results from UMOP.

The best results (which look really good) for you come from using it for 11 loops per day, every day.

Second best results come from 5 loops per day.

11 loops a day is vastly superior, of course, but may be difficult for you to get in a single day. If it is at all possible, do 11 loops. I think you'll be very pleased with the results.

Don't worry about DMSI until you're done using UMOP for three months, as instructed. I think it is important to find a way to get past your fears without focusing on so many goals at once. UMOP is a much less ambitious option for the time being. Let's try to take baby steps, shall we? And if this doesn't work, we can go back to DMSI.

I think you'll find, once you break through your resistance to UMOP, that two things happen.

1. You're going to really enjoy UMOP.
2. You're going to feel a lot better because you'll see that you can break through that fear and get things accomplished.

Wow thank you Shannon.

11 loops is 11 continuous loops I presume yes or total of 11 loops in any way within 24hours?

As always, all loops must be contiguous.

I'll have a good think about it but 5hours seems most likely I think which is a pity if 11 will give me the most results.

How much more inferior would 5 loops be to the 11? Can I not compromise and do 6-8loops a day?

Did I say you could compromise? You will get best results at 11 loops a day, and second best results at 5. 6 also showed a positive result, but the indicators were suggesting that you would not be getting as good a result as 5 loops. I would count 6 loops as a third rate choice, and one which will not pan out well in the long run.

And the ARSB please is now daily no breaks or it remains 7 days on 2 days off?

Again thank you really appreciate it!

ASRB is the same. Just do 5 or 11 loops a day. Let's see if you find a way to stonewall this.

Haha ok understood. It's 3.25am here so I'll do the 3 loops for tonight and then plan how to fit in either 5 or 11 loops into my day. Again thank you very much for taking the time out to model me etc really appreciate it!

[Darkness]

This is useful information. We need to find a way to prevent them from going off the deep end if possible. This may not be possible; it may be something that you guys will have to learn to deal with. But this shows that the program does work, if executed.

Shannon I think you should leave out this for us to deal with. I fear it may create confusion on the target. I have experienced similar results on 3.0 however it was both of us falling in love.

Killing the "baby rabies" may be possible without confusing the people affected. However, I am not sure it can be done without lessening the effect, since there is nothing more powerful than the drive to reproduce. I am going to see if I can't find why they're responding that way, and turn it into a desire for sex for fun, instead. If it's possible, why not?

This is promising. Can you also maybe make it so that the "baby rabies" woman is willing to go at the user's pace so as not to lose out on his babies? Like, if she thinks sex for fun is what will win you over and lead to babies down the road.

I'll try to explain it better: what if "sex for fun" or "as long as the user desires it" was a pre-condition of babies and commitment? That's pretty much how it works in real life anyways, people don't commit to other people (generally) until after the partner has proven themselves.

It would be easy to make the user the judge of when she "passes the test" and, in the meantime, sex for fun is part of the requirements. (as would be aborting unwanted pregnancies and not having babies till the user wanted them)

I'm thinking of Californication where Moody had that crazy chick who ended up trying to kill him (I'm not saying we want girls like that, and, to clear it up once and for all: I would absolutely be FOR the anti-sniper on that type of woman), anyhow, the situation is that she does everything he wants and frames herself as a casual lay, but eventually you realize she was just doing that because she wanted him to commit. I'm sure that kind of dynamic happens in real life as well and it could be used in DMSI. Anyhow, just an idea.

So you're suggesting that we get people who respond to intentionally try to deceive the user in a different way, to achieve the same exact goal.

Not what I had in mind.

I think the best way to go forward is to figure out what exactly it is in the script that's triggering baby rabies, and then turn it into seeking sex for fun, while leaving things open for the user and the affected to change it to something more if they like, but making it so sex with the user is always fun and always desirable and sought out because of that.

Baby rabies is good, that’s how deeply PRIMAL the attractiveness the user has become and the hardest hitting effect the user can have on the affected. Anything th else would be falling short.

[K-Train]

Baby rabies is good, that’s how deeply PRIMAL the attractiveness the user has become and the hardest hitting effect the user can have on the affected. Anything else would be falling short.

I agree 1000% with Darkness here. If a female believes you are a good catch it's only natural at some point for many (though not all) to try and lock you down in someway. As Shannon mentioned in the past week there are a number of women who put great emphasis on how a man makes them feel. Assuming you're executing DMSI to the max she's going to enjoy the feeling she gets from being around your energy/aura and will more than likely want this energy on the regular.

All that said, if Shannon's models show that this "babies rabies" (great name btw) phenomenon is essential for DMSI to work at maximum potential then let's not bother with it. If the models say "eh...it doesn't really matter/it makes no difference" then I'll leave that in the hands of the maestro.

[SargeMaximus]

Baby rabies is good, that’s how deeply PRIMAL the attractiveness the user has become and the hardest hitting effect the user can have on the affected. Anything else would be falling short.

I agree 1000% with Darkness here. If a female believes you are a good catch it's only natural at some point for many (though not all) to try and lock you down in someway. As Shannon mentioned in the past week there are a number of women who put great emphasis on how a man makes them feel. Assuming you're executing DMSI to the max she's going to enjoy the feeling she gets from being around your energy/aura and will more than likely want this energy on the regular.

All that said, if Shannon's models show that this "babies rabies" (great name btw) phenomenon is essential for DMSI to work at maximum potential then let's not bother with it. If the models say "eh...it doesn't really matter/it makes no difference" then I'll leave that in the hands of the maestro.

I actually agree with this. Darkness put it very well and you too k-train. It’s like the anti sniper argument. We can always make sure we’re using protection during sex.

[Steve_]

Huh it's like they didn't even read my post... Weird...

[SargeMaximus]

Huh it's like they didn't even read my post... Weird...

I’m on my phone and can’t edit very well. I quote so people know what I’m responding to. Sometimes my reply comes too late and others have replied ahead of me in this topic.