Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[Shawn]

Not the looks argument again.

Bro I’m looking better than I have in my life and women don’t approach me as much anymore. My grooming is better than ever and same deal. Also, I can tell you that after a short convo with a girl it’s obvious my verbals are a major turn off. This despite everyone telling me I’m an 8 and when I got laid everyone said it was my looks lol. It’s not, verbals play a huge part. Probably 80%+

EDIT: Although I should add that there is those instances where the girl just likes you so much she ignores all the shitty verbals and whatever and I believe that's what we are trying to get to in DMSI. But till then, I truly believe verbals rule the day.

I even know a guy from work who says he knows a guy who is butt ugly and pulls like nothing so yeah. I've also personally seen more than a few hot hot HOT girls with fat or ugly guys while on DMSI. Kissing each other sometimes too. So yeah.

yup another argument on looks and how PUA is trash v PUA and game is all you need to pull hot girls

As far I got it he wasn't even talking about PUA but about conversation/social skills in general. I can very much identify with what he said because women seem attracted to me but as far I open my mouth - game over.

[SargeMaximus]

Not the looks argument again.

Bro I’m looking better than I have in my life and women don’t approach me as much anymore. My grooming is better than ever and same deal. Also, I can tell you that after a short convo with a girl it’s obvious my verbals are a major turn off. This despite everyone telling me I’m an 8 and when I got laid everyone said it was my looks lol. It’s not, verbals play a huge part. Probably 80%+

EDIT: Although I should add that there is those instances where the girl just likes you so much she ignores all the shitty verbals and whatever and I believe that's what we are trying to get to in DMSI. But till then, I truly believe verbals rule the day.

I even know a guy from work who says he knows a guy who is butt ugly and pulls like nothing so yeah. I've also personally seen more than a few hot hot HOT girls with fat or ugly guys while on DMSI. Kissing each other sometimes too. So yeah.

yup another argument on looks and how PUA is trash v PUA and game is all you need to pull hot girls

As far I got it he wasn't even talking about PUA but about conversation/social skills in general. I can very much identify with what he said because women seem attracted to me but as far I open my mouth - game over.

Yeah exactly.

Although if we wanna bring up PUA, I'll say that recently, unless I'm running PUA tactics, women don't even respond to me. I got my first ioi in a LONG time today using a PUA tactic. Controlled, calculated, and not at all natural, but I forced myself to do it and right on queue: ioi.

[thor2014]

I am going to create a thread in the Chatter section. As I dont think the moderators would appreciate members starting a war in this thread on looks v game

[Leo1990]

TBH looks and game have nothing on energy/vibe. Subs taught me that. A woman could have never met or seen you and have attraction.

[maxx55]

Happy belated birthday Shannon! Forgot you also have a birthday this month. Hope you enjoyed it.

[thor2014]

Not the looks argument again.

Bro I’m looking better than I have in my life and women don’t approach me as much anymore. My grooming is better than ever and same deal. Also, I can tell you that after a short convo with a girl it’s obvious my verbals are a major turn off. This despite everyone telling me I’m an 8 and when I got laid everyone said it was my looks lol. It’s not, verbals play a huge part. Probably 80%+

EDIT: Although I should add that there is those instances where the girl just likes you so much she ignores all the shitty verbals and whatever and I believe that's what we are trying to get to in DMSI. But till then, I truly believe verbals rule the day.

I even know a guy from work who says he knows a guy who is butt ugly and pulls like nothing so yeah. I've also personally seen more than a few hot hot HOT girls with fat or ugly guys while on DMSI. Kissing each other sometimes too. So yeah.

yup another argument on looks and how PUA is trash v PUA and game is all you need to pull hot girls

As far I got it he wasn't even talking about PUA but about conversation/social skills in general. I can very much identify with what he said because women seem attracted to me but as far I open my mouth - game over.

Yeah exactly.

Although if we wanna bring up PUA, I'll say that recently, unless I'm running PUA tactics, women don't even respond to me. I got my first ioi in a LONG time today using a PUA tactic. Controlled, calculated, and not at all natural, but I forced myself to do it and right on queue: ioi.

It seems like a sledge hammer approach having to learn dozens and dozens of pua tactics which distance you away from the real you ?

[Zane]

Don't tell me u guys are gonna start Arguing again?

[thor2014]

Don't tell me u guys are gonna start Arguing again?

Zane I am sorry i cannot help but emphasis how strongly I feel about this . Sure PUA tactics might help you sleep with women in the short term but its like using a pair of crutches rather then learning how to walk.

Another thing is women know about this shit you think a hot clued up woman is going to not know about what "game" your playing. I have to laugh when guys say "oh my game is not upto scratch thats why I never slept with her". They are living an illusion chasing a rainbow. Noone 20 years ago banged on about how they failed to kino, pua or use correct game to get a girl they just accepted the fact the girl was not into them.

The more tactics you learn the more you distance yourself from the real you. If guys on this forum think PUA and game works for them. Isn't it ironic they are using subliminals and putting pressure on Shannon to make DMSI work !!!. "Shannon make DMSI work I need it to work to sleep with women".

If you want to amplify your attraction move to a town\city\country where there is an abundance of women which find you attractive rather then relying on the illusion of game.

[SargeMaximus]

I feel just as strongly about PUA working, but in the end every one has to find out for themselves what works for them. PUA does work as you said yourself but you see it as a crutch whereas I see it as the missing piece.

Bottom line people have to be honest with themselves. If what you’re doing isn’t working you have to change your approach till it does. Don’t be a fly hitting his head against a window.

[Shawn]

It seems like a sledge hammer approach having to learn dozens and dozens of pua tactics which distance you away from the real you ?

I commented on this one in the offtopic section in your thread.

[AlphaRomeo]

And here we go again...guys, cut the PUA discussion already! Or take it to it´s own thread, this is Shannon´s Journal discussion thread, NOT the PUA discussion thread. Too difficult concept to get?

[dissonance]

TBH looks and game have nothing on energy/vibe. Subs taught me that. A woman could have never met or seen you and have attraction.

Yeah, I feel you on that. Energy/vibe is so powerful. It's much less about what you say but how you say it, and much more about what vibe/energy/attitude you say it with. And there's not just one best vibe/energy/attitude. Some people would fit better and attract more with a Daniel Craig vibe, others would fit better and attract more with a Johnny Depp/Heath Ledger vibe. Just gotta find your own most subconsciously sexual vibe/energy/attitude that is most genuine and fitting for your personal self.

@AlplhaRomeo whoops just saw your post LEL

[thor2014]

There was a member called liquad minds who began the SM journey but appeared to have given up after stage 2.

Any ideas what happened to him ?

[josh84]

Hi Shannon, ive been doing 7 loops of hybrid dmsi 3.2a for a while now, today is a break day. So far no changes in any way from improved confidence self esteem or anything that healing is meant to do. The attraction side is zero from women can be within 5-10 feet of women and not even get a glance my way, i know women are good at being discreet when looking but no glances or anything like that, ones i have spoken to in the past are no different 9 months later then they had been before dmsi.

Should i stop using dmsi and wait till 3.3 see if that works since im doing 8 loops now with no changes.

Be good if i was able to execute but consciously we cant do anything to make our subconscious execute the script so its just keep listening and wait but for nothing to be even slightly improved in myself after 9 months is getting a bit frustrating.

Hopefully 3.3 resolves this and allows me to see some form of positive results.