Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[Greenduck]

Shannon, I am contemplating my last relationship where I somewhat got overly attached to the girl, and still in some way am. It's mostly related to a sexual attachment. I haven't experienced this with other girls I have had sex with or being together with, just with her. It's like there is a damn gravitational pull, where I can do anything to get to sleep with her, even loosing myself. I wrote a post about it here if you have time to look it over.

I guess that E2 will take care of it with enough time, but what would really benefit me, would to better understand what causes this kind of attachment in your understanding? Lack of own direction for example? Is it something the girl does that create the situation? An energetic connection? The girl manipulating the male ego? I feel pretty lost on the issue...

First, it may or may not just be you. People have different personalities and personal energies, and some of them are incredibly attractive and responsive to one another. What you describe is a type of personality that has an incredibly powerful sexual gravity which is intoxicating and almost impossible to ignore for those susceptible to it.

I'm not going to say this is the case for you, but I have had a girlfriend or two with that and it extended so far as to become a form of mind control for me, I literally had to exit her presence for a couple weeks before I was able to think and see straight again. It took me a solid two years to break up with her, and several more to be entirely done with her. Sometimes this sort of influence is incredibly powerful.

This can also have to do with pre-existing interactions which are beyond the obvious.

What you have is a situation that demands growth from you. Whatever else may be the case, you must outgrow something that holds you in place with regard to this response to her.

Thank you for contemplating the answer and writing it down. I feel listened to and I know that the part with outgrowing it is neeeded thanks to your guidance. Outgrowing that incorporates overcoming big things but that is what life showed me and so it shall be overcome. Come at me bro.

[Greenduck]

Shannon, I am contemplating my last relationship where I somewhat got overly attached to the girl, and still in some way am. It's mostly related to a sexual attachment. I haven't experienced this with other girls I have had sex with or being together with, just with her. It's like there is a damn gravitational pull, where I can do anything to get to sleep with her, even loosing myself. I wrote a post about it here if you have time to look it over.

I guess that E2 will take care of it with enough time, but what would really benefit me, would to better understand what causes this kind of attachment in your understanding? Lack of own direction for example? Is it something the girl does that create the situation? An energetic connection? The girl manipulating the male ego? I feel pretty lost on the issue...

A few months ago, I met a woman who I immediately felt was ‘the one’, and she approached me and started talking to me. Nothing has happened romantically or sexually. So I’m confused..

Could be a special connection, or a soulmate, or self-delusion, or psychic seduction, or she is on DMSI, or something else???

The common piece of advice is to ‘let go’ and focus on enjoying life.

I read some underlying sarcasm in your post. Point taken.

[MasterEnki]

Shannon, I am contemplating my last relationship where I somewhat got overly attached to the girl, and still in some way am. It's mostly related to a sexual attachment. I haven't experienced this with other girls I have had sex with or being together with, just with her. It's like there is a damn gravitational pull, where I can do anything to get to sleep with her, even loosing myself. I wrote a post about it here if you have time to look it over.

I guess that E2 will take care of it with enough time, but what would really benefit me, would to better understand what causes this kind of attachment in your understanding? Lack of own direction for example? Is it something the girl does that create the situation? An energetic connection? The girl manipulating the male ego? I feel pretty lost on the issue...

A few months ago, I met a woman who I immediately felt was ‘the one’, and she approached me and started talking to me. Nothing has happened romantically or sexually. So I’m confused..

Could be a special connection, or a soulmate, or self-delusion, or psychic seduction, or she is on DMSI, or something else???

The common piece of advice is to ‘let go’ and focus on enjoying life.

I read some underlying sarcasm in your post. Point taken.

Shannon’s answer is pretty awesome!


I really did feel like a woman, who I met recently, was ‘the one’ (or a soulmate of some kind) and still do. The feeling was sudden and instant, and she also approached me which gave some credibly to my feelings that she is ‘the one’. Plus, the following few weeks, I ran into her several times / occasions, when doing my own thing, which also makes it plausible that she is ‘the one’ / a soulmate.

But random articles on Google, and reddit, and quora, and some dating forums, etc. all said ‘let go’ to others who were in a similar situation. They said, ‘let go’ and enjoy life, and if she really is ‘the one’ / soulmate then she will come back into your life (at some point) and you will be together. If she isn’t (self-delusion), then you will meet someone else, ‘plenty of fish in the sea’, etc.

I got the term ‘self-delusion’ from Shannon’s post on types of resistance. In my case, maybe it’s ‘self-delusion’ (and she is nothing special) or maybe she really is ‘the one’ (and / or a soulmate). Who knows?

Your story / situation sounds similar to mine (except yours involves sex / history together). Which reminded me of the woman I met recently.

I do wonder if those influenced by DMSI would feel a special connection, or that the DMSI-user is ‘the one’, etc. Interesting line of though. I doubt that many people in the world, right now, would be using DMSI though.


Edit: By ‘the one’, I mean that I instantly felt an intense, amazing connection (and time seemed to flow extra slowly) and afterwards was walking around for a few hours in a daze, feeling lost and aimless.

[dweller94]

Taking this example, if we remove the fear, wouldn't the faulty belief still remain, thus creating the fear again at some point? If we are going forward with FRM & no H&C how will this faulty belief be dealt with? As an analogue, the fear is the tree, but the roots are the beliefs that remain which means the tree (fear) will keep growing after cutting it down.

What causes fear runs deeper than beliefs. When we remove the fear, the beliefs that interact with the cause of the fear to create fear (when it is triggeted by beliefs) are automatically adjusted by the removal of the underlying cause of the fear. If the tree is fear, then FRM results in the tree and all of its roots, branches, twigs, leaves, flowers and fruit evaporating. Ceasing to exist.

Just speculating, but guys I know who think that “girls are hoes” are often not in touch with themselves and failing to have a rewarding relationship with women. They are needy and when this isn’t reciprocated they get angry and blame the women. Sure there are asshole girls but when you blame everyone something may Ben wrong with you.

I guess It’s also based in fear. Fear of facing yourself amen regocnizing what you need to work with to become a healthy individual perhaps.

I think what I wrote was misunderstood but I've taken what you said on board either way, ta.

Okay I should have used girls instead of hoes, too much trap music. Nah I don't see girls as hoes, rn the girls I'm speaking to / dating are really sweet to me and DMSI is doing great for me rn, it's just the deep fear belief whatever it is that results in women causing me unhappiness, I overthink stuff, I know I'm running DMSI but a relationship would be nice appose to just a bang, each to their own, I'm using DMSI for upping my attraction which it's doing but not enough to get me approaches but yeah. I've identified my block anyway, it's been f*cking with my head recently, I'm dating and speaking to women rn wasn't before the latest release and now I'm actually more unhappy than I was then, so I'm blocking myself by thinking I was happier alone. I don't know I'll figure it out, i'ma keep going.

I found my ideal relationship with DMSI 3.1, and it shows every sign of being permanent. I know of at least one other person who did the same. DMSI doesn't force you to bang every woman who offers, or prevent you from selecting, keeping and being faithful to just one... although once you find that one you want to keep, it's a good idea not to use it anymore. Everyone I know who has found such a relationship with DMSI has stopped using it for that reason.

That's good to hear that's why I am using it, I can say that I am close, let's say I have found my ideal but still on the dating stage, if it works out, I will stop using it, Shannon, I have some other internal issues, where I overthink things and it burns me out, it stems from insecurities, will my current run of DMSI fix this?

[Jake2015]

@Shannon

How do the versions and the sub-versions of FRM differ from each of its previous upgrade?

Eg: Is there a big change from v1 to v2 in overcoming/fighting Fear, but smaller incremental clean-ups to script from 2.1 to 2.2 to 2.3?

[FluffyBunny]

Just speculating, but guys I know who think that “girls are hoes” are often not in touch with themselves and failing to have a rewarding relationship with women. They are needy and when this isn’t reciprocated they get angry and blame the women. Sure there are asshole girls but when you blame everyone something may Ben wrong with you.

I guess It’s also based in fear. Fear of facing yourself amen regocnizing what you need to work with to become a healthy individual perhaps.

I think what I wrote was misunderstood but I've taken what you said on board either way, ta.

Okay I should have used girls instead of hoes, too much trap music. Nah I don't see girls as hoes, rn the girls I'm speaking to / dating are really sweet to me and DMSI is doing great for me rn, it's just the deep fear belief whatever it is that results in women causing me unhappiness, I overthink stuff, I know I'm running DMSI but a relationship would be nice appose to just a bang, each to their own, I'm using DMSI for upping my attraction which it's doing but not enough to get me approaches but yeah. I've identified my block anyway, it's been f*cking with my head recently, I'm dating and speaking to women rn wasn't before the latest release and now I'm actually more unhappy than I was then, so I'm blocking myself by thinking I was happier alone. I don't know I'll figure it out, i'ma keep going.

I found my ideal relationship with DMSI 3.1, and it shows every sign of being permanent. I know of at least one other person who did the same. DMSI doesn't force you to bang every woman who offers, or prevent you from selecting, keeping and being faithful to just one... although once you find that one you want to keep, it's a good idea not to use it anymore. Everyone I know who has found such a relationship with DMSI has stopped using it for that reason.

Currently, this girl i attracted on 3.3v , i would keep as the one thinks i just want to bang her. Shes more of a low self esteem hot girl. Was suppose to see her again the second time but she backed away on the day of. I am pretty inexperienced on what to do with these type of girls...When i saw her she qualifies to me and is more of the shy and low self-esteem type shes young too. Like when i gave her compliments some times she doesnt even believe i mean it...

Anyone have any suggestions of what to do?

If you want to keep her and she thinks you just want to bang her then to get her, you have to do two things.

1. You have to convince her of her security in being in a relationship with you, and
2. You need to improve her self esteem.

The women of the world who are worth keeping will stay with the man who gives them whatever security they need, be that financial, sexual, romantic, trustworthiness, whatever, and provides for their heart.

So tell her flat out... I want you and you alone. I don't just want sex, I want a relationship with you. And if you want a monogamous relationship, tell her that too. Clarify your desires and intentions, and move on what you want. Bring her to the point that she knows what you want with and from her, and show her she can trust you and find whatever security she needs in a relationship with you. And help her realize that she is worthwhile. But don't try to do it by kissing her butt, she'll never believe you. She's used to guys saying those things to get in her pants and disregards them as "he wants sex".

during our previous text she did say that shes not looking for any sort of relationship or hookup, no idea why she said that... my instinct tells me that shes trying to protect herself and was thinking i was wanting to hook up when we meet....

How would i go about delivering my intent to her? Texting would be a pretty bad idea.

I am not sure if she would come out again with me 1 on 1, base on how she ended up bailing on the day of that we were suppose to meet

I do know where she works... shes like a server in a bar. Visited her once before. I could potentially go there to chat with her.... but a topic like this is quite... deep conversation just going there showing up and talking about it is very off the vibe?

Best shot is maybe go to her work again chat a bit then ask to meet up another day, but if that fails anyone has any ideas?

[Fluffy]

Is it just me...or has the Script Library gone?

[dissonance]

"I believe I have figured out a major piece of the puzzle for FRM today. I have to wait until I'm not loopy to run the models on it, but it seems foolproof to me. Fingers crossed for FRM 4.4!"

How much longer until FRM 4.4 is finished? If pretty soon, would you want to do 3.3.1-D with jumping to FRM 4.4 instead of trying with FRM 4.3? Or you want to see the effects of 4.3 without the new breakthrough findings of 4.4 before testing out 4.4 itself?

Well that went from "I hope it comes through the models" in my post to "It's happening, so tell us when" in yours. Apparently you have complete faith in me, lol.

If my idea makes it through modeling and becomes FRM 4.4, it will most likely require about a week for me to model and then script.

If it makes its way through the models, there will be no need to test 4.3. We can proceed directly to 4.4 in DMSI, etc.

Lol yeah I just figured with your explanations and experience you must know better than me. Plus, i realized there's no convincing you anyways. Also I decided to just try to run 3.3 during day when I can so i dont get the bad sleep quality i get listening during sleep with 3.3D

No convincing me of what?

You shouldn't have an issue with sleep in 3.3.1-D with v4.3/4.4 of FRM.

That I feel like H&C is still a necessity to shape a person into being his most sexually attractive version of himself, even though it might take a bit longer to "execute" the GET LAID portion of the sub (unless there's some breakthru to cause people to not wait around in H&C). Btw, was the waiting around in H&C only a problem for a small portion of people, or most? I remember mat mentioning it but it seems like his self-reflections often change and are often so deeply overthought lol, no offense mat. I could be wrong though.

And that's good, I'm lookin forward to 3.3.1-D with 4.4FRM.

Oh also, have the sexual performance modules, or anything to do with the actual act of sex, changed from 3.2A to 3.3D?

[Username]

Nope. Frm has been able to brake trough more barriers than all the previous h&c put together... Obviously saying something like this is a bit of gamble, cause I can't be sure how far would it got me if I had started from the clean slate. H&c did penetrate quite a few holes in the Armour already...

[ncbeareatingman]

The Shit IM dealing with and have been dealing with in the last week alone was just mountainous on several levels, physically,emotionally,mentally and energetically,alike. any one of them would've been enough' of a challenge ,just by themselves,just one of them I mean by this,yet I was dealing with 4 or 5 levels,simultaniously. argh. though they were majorly challenging,and thats putting it mildly, It allwas handled sooo veyr much better with FRM 3.3 grinding away at the levels of fears and dissovling them and/or removing them altogether. Good Gosh a-mighty,if 3.3 is doing "This" Much as it stands,what in the Universe is 4.4 gonna be like. good gosh! To say its gonna be phenominal would be a gross understatement.
can you imagine? 4.4 plus whatever title goes along with it...in my favorte case it'd be something like Ultra Monetary Success !!(Yes!!) 'er Life Tune Up(Life Tune Up the Electricity Mr.Tesla!!) the success is gonna be thru da friggin roof with the removal of high level deep fears. IML Rock's da Mic'!! 01/05/19 Saturday early afternoon!

[Benjamin]

Is it just me...or has the Script Library gone?

Yes, it's out of date as it's mostly 3g and 4g in it. And the newer programs aren't going to be published anyway.

[firsthelix]

Shannon can you explain a little bit how important non masturbation is on dmsi and why, how it helps the end goal etc?

Masturbation is the release of sexual energy, among other things. That sexual energy is both a form and source of energy, and a form and source of motivation to achieve sex.

When you have a lot of that sexual energy, you are motivated to do something about it. The goal is to use that energy to make yourself more sexually attractive. The way to defeat that goal is to jerk off.

DMSI is not designed to prevent you from socializing or approaching if you want to. It is designed to maximize how sexually attractive you are, and part of how it does that is by causing you to generate more sexual energy, so that there is more SEX in your aura with which to affect those around you.

The more sexual energy you have, the more sexually attractive and arousing you become, even without the help of DMSI. DMSI uses that sexual energy to achieve it's goals.

Masturbating interrupts that.

I agree! But what about masturbating without jerking off? The old Taoists and Tantrists equally have ways to pull that energy through the chakras while keeping the juice in the body. They believe everytime you ejaculate you waste some of your life energy.

This post violates Rule 4, discussing religion. Please refrain from doing that in the future.

When you expend the energy that drives you to achieve sex, or circumvent it, you reduce or remove the motivation it provides. If the goal of DMSI is to result in sex, then anything that reduces or removes the motivation to achieve the goal instead of hide is going to be detrimental. The question is, does that apply to what you're talking about?

Thanks for the reply, Shannon, I appreciate it! Your reminder of violating rule #4 is unnecessary. If you read my post closely, you will learn that in no way did I "discuss religion". I mentioned the source of the energy work for illustration purposes, as it is known and accepted as the foundation of Traditional Chinese Medicin (TCM) and TBH I am a little astonished you don't seem to be familiar with this. By no means, I am interested in the religious context of anything here but the practical application of things.

Hope this clarifies things!

[firsthelix]

Since something like FRM has literally never been done before... I can't say yet. But I believe it will, yes.


I don't believe there is just one "level of resistance". It's not "resistant or not". It's a spectrum. The more resistant someone is, the more fearful they will be (in some way, at some level), and the longer it will naturally take to remove their fears. I think FRM v3.x should take 3+ months. I think 4.x should take less time. I don't have enough actual evidence to know, and I haven't modeled it.


So you're going for the "more is better" approach, which is likely why you aren't seeing results. Too much is just as bad as too little, just for different reasons.

Calibrate the volume such that you can only faintly hear the lowest levels of ocean surf, and the highest points are comfortably loud. That is your maximum volume. Try that for a week and see what happens. If you don't start seeing more results, then take it down one notch each cycle until you do.

Thanks shannon, i will try changing the volume on vlc media player on the next cycle, tonight is the last night of trickling stream hybrid and will drop vlc media player volume to 75%. After the 2 day break will move onto ocean surf hybrid and will try between 50 and 75% and see if the lower volumes will work better for me.

Just seeing that 12 of 15 volume is recommended and others having volume up loud is why i had been doing it that way but will decrease volume for the cycles from now on and see how it goes.

Would 10% decrease be equal to one notch on a phone?

A volume of 12 is recommended for Jake. Not for everyone. There is a high correlation between a volume of 10-12-13-14-15 for Beast, but I haven't tested DMSI, etc. I am recommending 12/15 to Jake because it is known across several different programs (Beast, MIR, ARA, USLM, SE, DNWS, GPR) to be the sweet spot for execution from resistant personalities when you are using a cell phone.

You will have to use a volume meter to know what the equivalent volume is for VLC, and you have to take into account volume at the source (speaker) and distance from speaker to ear. Even that isn't perfect because some phones have speakers positioned at different distances from their microphones, which may translate into a different volume than 12.

Interesting! How does that translate for iPhone users with no volume indication?

Reason #374 not to use Apple products? The only thing you can do at that point is to use an app like FrequenSee and estimate volume based on dB, but even that is not ideal because the speaker's proximity to the microphone is different on all phones.

Thanks for your reply!

Only lately did my impression increase that volume levels are that crucial. If that is the case, you might wanna be interested to make your products as effective for either phone device, meaning there should be instructions how to achieve the same level of effectiveness for any kind of phones. iPhone is a reality, whether you like it or not and a big part of your "market" uses Apple products in one way or another. With other words, you can't provide everybody using iPhones switching to Android just because your products can't be made to work as effective as on Androids.

Just my 2 cents...

[firsthelix]

Shannon, I am contemplating my last relationship where I somewhat got overly attached to the girl, and still in some way am. It's mostly related to a sexual attachment. I haven't experienced this with other girls I have had sex with or being together with, just with her. It's like there is a damn gravitational pull, where I can do anything to get to sleep with her, even loosing myself. I wrote a post about it here if you have time to look it over.

I guess that E2 will take care of it with enough time, but what would really benefit me, would to better understand what causes this kind of attachment in your understanding? Lack of own direction for example? Is it something the girl does that create the situation? An energetic connection? The girl manipulating the male ego? I feel pretty lost on the issue...

First, it may or may not just be you. People have different personalities and personal energies, and some of them are incredibly attractive and responsive to one another. What you describe is a type of personality that has an incredibly powerful sexual gravity which is intoxicating and almost impossible to ignore for those susceptible to it.

I'm not going to say this is the case for you, but I have had a girlfriend or two with that and it extended so far as to become a form of mind control for me, I literally had to exit her presence for a couple weeks before I was able to think and see straight again. It took me a solid two years to break up with her, and several more to be entirely done with her. Sometimes this sort of influence is incredibly powerful.

This can also have to do with pre-existing interactions which are beyond the obvious.

What you have is a situation that demands growth from you. Whatever else may be the case, you must outgrow something that holds you in place with regard to this response to her.

I experienced the same during my 10-year marriage. Sex was incredible, from the first to the last day, so that I didn't pay attention to the red flags of other areas. IMO it has nothing to do with mind control since she didn't initiate anything on purpose. It was rather me losing my masculine center and the ability to detach after passion.

I believe this can happen to anybody. It's the logic of law of attraction, nothing especially magic. Bliss is out there for everybody, and it's absolutely amazing. But as Shannon said, it requires maturity to keep your masculine center and enough realization that it's you that created this, not the other person. Meaning, you can always re-create it since you have already manifested it before. For me, daily meditation is the key to achieve this higher consciousness, to grow and to detach. It helps you realize that you can have it all again, with an even better overall person.