Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[thor2014]

Ive learnt that what you think is what women will think eventually.

You hold frame, they'll come into your frame and see it as reality.

In a way it'll have to be your frame vs the world.

If you go around saying 'girls automatically assume taller people blah blah blah' then your frame is given to society and your at their mercy.

Hold frame, think with your cock, dont be attached to outcome, have fun and walk around and act like you are the highest status mofo in the world.

AND DONT BE SCARED TO SHOW YOUR ANGER OR DISSATISFACTION but not too vocally. Make this happen with your body language only (your eyes, etc)

Of course beliefs do play a key role however you are going to face situations where the girl is just not into you as "attraction is not a choice". Thats when its time to move on and find a girl that appreciates you for who you are.

@Ben this is my last comment on the subject of height.

[Shawn]

@Shannon

Ill try and make this quick buddy!

As you may recall, i have had no effects since I increased 3.2 6-7 loops via phone.

My conclusion: either increasing loops fails me or listening now from a phone fails me.

When I was listening to 1 loop via earphones I had almost immediate effects. eg: no fap for 56 days.

Im on day 19 (when I asked this) of 6-7 loops and had to listen to 1 loop yesterday which I did with earphones.

I woke knowing I had dreams - nothing sexual but had girls in there, 1-2 that I have liked in the past 6months & then all day I had an urge to masturbate and then I did and it was wonderful!

shall I go back to 1 loop a day with earphones my friend?

and if you do go on to make UM/OP focusfire do you think I have a chance of executing that or shall i continue on the DMSI road until we reach a point where I am truly executing finally?

also I noticed I have way more grey hair, is this possible from DMSI?

thank you

Translation: "1 loop was getting small results. I got no visible results at 6-7 loops because I was busy trying everything possible to prevent the program from working. So I went back to one loop, and was able to overpower it and masturbate, which was awesome, because it means I was successfully sabotaging the program, which is what I really want. So can I have your permission to make this all okay?"

No. Go do 8 loops a day and keep increasing by one per day each week until you break through that fear and resistance.

also I noticed I have way more grey hair, is this possible from DMSI?

Several guys reported noticing increased gray hair on 3.1, so I added a module to prevent and reverse that effect. This means one of the following is true:

1. There is no correlation.
2. You had that as a result of attempting to self sabotage on 3.1, but never noticed it.
3. You are somehow reverse resisting the module that is designed to prevent and reverse it as a sabotage effort to make yourself less attractive so you don't need to face having all that scary vagina.

As for the graying hair, I believe this is partially caused by being confronted with the fears all the time while trying to execute. It causes an insane amount of unconscious stress for sure and a lot of energy to deal with.

[Williamx25]

I can´t resist anymore...

I have seen quite many times guys mentioning about how tall/short they are in relation to attraction, where they are 5.7 (this number has popped up on few association, if my memory serves me) and say it´s difficult to attract girls being that "short". Just out of curiosity, in which country/continent do you live? I assume US since you use measure in feet. In many, if not most European countries 5.7 (and half) feet is almost exactly the average height of an adult man, same thing world wide. Quick search on US tells that it is pretty darn close to average as well, and in some parts of it 1 inch shorter. In Asia, that´s tall compared to average...in some places really tall.

I know many women like tall(er) guys, at least taller than themselves. If you are 5.7 you are taller than vast majority of women since on average women are shorter than men. I struggle to understand how the height is such an issue for many guys who are actually average height...or maybe it´s just a limiting belief on your own part? I could understand if you are really short it can be a factor...or TOO tall for that matter! Just wondering...

In the UK it is 5' 10" for men. In Holland the average height is 6'. I don't think height is quite as important to women in many countries, but English women are very superficial about it. Take a look at this sad airhead female journalist in the Daily Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/articl...Green.html

I can definitely confirm this !!!! I'm 6'1'' and I feel small ! I feel like i'm a short midget lol! People here in Holland are insanely tall! And the women are also very big! Big tall blondes are very common. And they don't even wear heels.... They all looking for guys that are at least 6'4'' and those ugly ass skinny guys get away with beautiful women because they are so tall! I wish I was like 6'2'' or 6'3''...............

I had a girlfriend and if she would wear heels she was a bit taller than me.... It was a turn off for her so she stopped wearing heels. Lmfao

[Oversoul]

Ive learnt that what you think is what women will think eventually.

You hold frame, they'll come into your frame and see it as reality.

In a way it'll have to be your frame vs the world.

If you go around saying 'girls automatically assume taller people blah blah blah' then your frame is given to society and your at their mercy.

Hold frame, think with your cock, dont be attached to outcome, have fun and walk around and act like you are the highest status mofo in the world.

AND DONT BE SCARED TO SHOW YOUR ANGER OR DISSATISFACTION but not too vocally. Make this happen with your body language only (your eyes, etc)

Of course beliefs do play a key role however you are going to face situations where the girl is just not into you as "attraction is not a choice". Thats when its time to move on and find a girl that appreciates you for who you are.

@Ben this is my last comment on the subject of height.

Attraction not being a choice really is something that would be more to a 'disadvantaged' persons advantage. If he knows how to amp up sexual tension while staying somewhat social, shell have no choice but to be attracted to you no matter what her preferences are.

When it comes to attraction, nature has done most of the work for us already.

Also being social =/= attraction. Just because she speaks to someone more than you does not necessarily mean shes attracted to them. SHE MIGHT JUST BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THEM BUT DOESN'T FEEL ANY SEXUAL TENSION.

[MasterEnki]

@Benjamin

Thanks for the suggestion of E2 or DMSI A.

I did emotional healing from 2015 to 2017. I alternated between E1 and LTU 5G, one at a time. I even did a LTU 5G run for over a year straight.

I also recently got offered sex from a 8.5 (roughly), 37yo woman. I enthusiastically said “Yes”. She bought me dinner (and she paid for it) and we went to her place (she invited me). I saw her naked (hell yeah!) and then her carer (she lives in a group home) threw me out and told me that 37yo woman can’t legally consent to sex, and that it would be statutory rape. So that ruined that.

Turns out that she had brain damage, and state law says that brain damage automatically voids any consent.

I lost my first real, seemingly easy, chance at losing my virginity

I’m sure that that nice experience challenged / ‘loosened up’ some of my beliefs around attractive women not considering me worthy enough, etc.

I’m not sure you can change your identity from being a ‘virgin’ to ‘non virgin’ without actually having sex. More like developing the belief that you CAN have sex and that everything will be ok.

I agree.

Once I have a, in real-life, ongoing sexual relationship (i.e. not a one night stand) it will likely solve everything - change my identity to a ‘non virgin’, collapse the beliefs around not being good enough for sex and allow me to become comfortable with actual physical sex.

One of the statements in AYP (according to script library) is “I now know, accept and understand that I CAN manifest into my life, as my reality.... (etc)”. That should help develop the belief that I can have sex?,

And if AYP is constantly telling my subconscious that I am manifesting a sexual relationship “I now manifest... (etc)”, “I am now manifesting... (etc)”.,

The main thing I’m curious about is the statement “At every level, and in every way, I have now manifested into my life, as my reality.... (etc)”. I wonder if that statement, once absorbed into the subconscious mind, will overpower my ‘virgin’ identity or somehow allow my subconscious to consider new possibilities. That statement implies that I’m already in a sexual relationship with my ‘perfect for me’ partner.,

Maybe my beliefs, and identity, won’t matter in the manifestation process from AYP? or that AYP will somehow change (or possibly nullify) such beliefs, at least enough, to allow my subconscious to successfully manifest a sexual relationship?


For now I will continue with AYP for a while longer. If I manifest a sexual relationship, then awesome. Otherwise, if I don’t get anything, I will likely take your advice and do some more emotional healing with a 5.5G program.

I’m probably in the middle of the journey between old me (being weighed down by old “not worthy of sex” beliefs) and desired me (I’m sexy and have regular sex with an awesome partner, or few partners, at any given time).


Thanks

[thor2014]

Ive learnt that what you think is what women will think eventually.

You hold frame, they'll come into your frame and see it as reality.

In a way it'll have to be your frame vs the world.

If you go around saying 'girls automatically assume taller people blah blah blah' then your frame is given to society and your at their mercy.

Hold frame, think with your cock, dont be attached to outcome, have fun and walk around and act like you are the highest status mofo in the world.

AND DONT BE SCARED TO SHOW YOUR ANGER OR DISSATISFACTION but not too vocally. Make this happen with your body language only (your eyes, etc)

Of course beliefs do play a key role however you are going to face situations where the girl is just not into you as "attraction is not a choice". Thats when its time to move on and find a girl that appreciates you for who you are.

@Ben this is my last comment on the subject of height.

Attraction not being a choice really is something that would be more to a 'disadvantaged' persons advantage. If he knows how to amp up sexual tension while staying somewhat social, shell have no choice but to be attracted to you no matter what her preferences are.

When it comes to attraction, nature has done most of the work for us already.

Also being social =/= attraction. Just because she speaks to someone more than you does not necessarily mean shes attracted to them. SHE MIGHT JUST BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THEM BUT DOESN'T FEEL ANY SEXUAL TENSION.

Mate there is no absolute algorithim in life for anything. Yes you can put the odds in your favour but your not gonna get a win win each time thats the way life is.

[thor2014]

Jeez I can't get over how you guys overanalyze so much that there's pages upon pages of comments on just height.

Or am I missing something? (Serious question Ben don’t ban me)

Maybe if you don't do things like attacking a user who posts a positive report on DMSI or creating stupid arguments it won't happen in the future. The first one was the main reason recently.

If I defend myself in this I foresee a ban so I’ll let it slide. As for the main question,I am confused how becoming the man women want isn’t putting women on a pedestal. I’m serious as this is one of those pua contradictions I don’t understand: don’t put women on a pedestal but show them you’re the best man for them. Seems like pedestalizing to me but I must be missing something.

That is the nature of the beast. Women do the same by putting on makeup, wearing high heels, wearing expensive perfume. Why ? because they want validation from men they really fancy and want to have sex with.

If you look at the animal kingdom you will see commonalities in the way animals pursue and mate with each other. Lions and gorillas fight for who mates with the females.

In everyday life we put people on a pedestial. If you want to be promoted you sell yourself to your boss to prove your worth.

[DarkPlouf]

@Shannon

It's because I don't artificially limit myself with negative, failure based, failure breeding beliefs.

For someone being defeatist in the women department, I understand what you mean but still find it very hard, or even impossible to validate myself, regardless of my past experience and how others behave with me.

What you're saying is to reframe our beliefs based on how we want them to be versus how people respond to us.
So basically one shouldn't think "No women accepted me thus far => it means I suck. Yeah, it must be my [insert insecurities here]".
Or "It's hard to get women to bed => yeah it must be my height or the size of my banana, yup it all makes sense".

I get it and I agree with you and that's something I'm always trying to do, in other areas of life too. However, I found that extremely hard, close to impossible even. All of our senses are shaped to perceive the external world. How can one still keep positive beliefs when day by day what he's seeing and feeling is so far away from what he's trying to believe?

That seems close to impossible to me, human being what he is. The only solution I found is denial and avoidance. Avoiding seeing what I do not want to see, avoiding any situation that could trigger me, and so on.
But that seems really unhealthy to me. And it is just a temporary solution.

Honestly, I do not think it's possible to reframe a belief without any tangible experience. For example for late virgins to think that "Everything is OK with me, I am not the problem and I do not have any insecurities, I am the shit" is just fooling oneself because there is no tangible experience the mind can refer to. You see? It's like, in life, any FIRST experience rules all of the following ones, lol.

I think that's why H/C is so hard and seems so endless. I doubt the human can be self-sufficient. We are wired not to. That seems to be engraved deep down in our genomes.
I'm still trying though, but it seems like an impossible battle. And a battle of one's lifetime.

[Oversoul]

Ive learnt that what you think is what women will think eventually.

You hold frame, they'll come into your frame and see it as reality.

In a way it'll have to be your frame vs the world.

If you go around saying 'girls automatically assume taller people blah blah blah' then your frame is given to society and your at their mercy.

Hold frame, think with your cock, dont be attached to outcome, have fun and walk around and act like you are the highest status mofo in the world.

AND DONT BE SCARED TO SHOW YOUR ANGER OR DISSATISFACTION but not too vocally. Make this happen with your body language only (your eyes, etc)

Of course beliefs do play a key role however you are going to face situations where the girl is just not into you as "attraction is not a choice". Thats when its time to move on and find a girl that appreciates you for who you are.

@Ben this is my last comment on the subject of height.

Attraction not being a choice really is something that would be more to a 'disadvantaged' persons advantage. If he knows how to amp up sexual tension while staying somewhat social, shell have no choice but to be attracted to you no matter what her preferences are.

When it comes to attraction, nature has done most of the work for us already.

Also being social =/= attraction. Just because she speaks to someone more than you does not necessarily mean shes attracted to them. SHE MIGHT JUST BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THEM BUT DOESN'T FEEL ANY SEXUAL TENSION.

Mate there is no absolute algorithim in life for anything. Yes you can put the odds in your favour but your not gonna get a win win each time thats the way life is.

Ive never said you can win each time. Only someone naive would think so.

But you can get most girls attracted to you and its not that hard (especially with DMSI).

Its the comfort thats the hard part as a lot of girls avoid guys when they start getting too horny for them. I think DMSI helps with this though.

And Ive never said that there is an algorithm in life for anything, but I wouldn't rule it out. I'm not smart enough to know if there is or isn't.

And everything im writing is MY experience. Nobody has to agree with it.

[thor2014]

Ive learnt that what you think is what women will think eventually.

You hold frame, they'll come into your frame and see it as reality.

In a way it'll have to be your frame vs the world.

If you go around saying 'girls automatically assume taller people blah blah blah' then your frame is given to society and your at their mercy.

Hold frame, think with your cock, dont be attached to outcome, have fun and walk around and act like you are the highest status mofo in the world.

AND DONT BE SCARED TO SHOW YOUR ANGER OR DISSATISFACTION but not too vocally. Make this happen with your body language only (your eyes, etc)

Of course beliefs do play a key role however you are going to face situations where the girl is just not into you as "attraction is not a choice". Thats when its time to move on and find a girl that appreciates you for who you are.

@Ben this is my last comment on the subject of height.

Attraction not being a choice really is something that would be more to a 'disadvantaged' persons advantage. If he knows how to amp up sexual tension while staying somewhat social, shell have no choice but to be attracted to you no matter what her preferences are.

When it comes to attraction, nature has done most of the work for us already.

Also being social =/= attraction. Just because she speaks to someone more than you does not necessarily mean shes attracted to them. SHE MIGHT JUST BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THEM BUT DOESN'T FEEL ANY SEXUAL TENSION.

Mate there is no absolute algorithim in life for anything. Yes you can put the odds in your favour but your not gonna get a win win each time thats the way life is.

Ive never said you can win each time. Only someone naive would think so.

But you can get most girls attracted to you and its not that hard (especially with DMSI).

Its the comfort thats the hard part as a lot of girls avoid guys when they start getting too horny for them. I think DMSI helps with this though.

And Ive never said that there is an algorithm in life for anything, but I wouldn't rule it out. I'm not smart enough to know if there is or isn't.

And everything im writing is MY experience. Nobody has to agree with it.

Sorry mate I misunderstood you. That's the problem with forum messaging as oppose tichatting face to face. Are we still friends ? ?

[samba99]

Thor, could you please elaborate more on how you came about moving into another city/country?

Was it something you were thinking about it before DMSI?
Or do you think it's DMSI OE?

[Oversoul]

Of course beliefs do play a key role however you are going to face situations where the girl is just not into you as "attraction is not a choice". Thats when its time to move on and find a girl that appreciates you for who you are.

@Ben this is my last comment on the subject of height.

Attraction not being a choice really is something that would be more to a 'disadvantaged' persons advantage. If he knows how to amp up sexual tension while staying somewhat social, shell have no choice but to be attracted to you no matter what her preferences are.

When it comes to attraction, nature has done most of the work for us already.

Also being social =/= attraction. Just because she speaks to someone more than you does not necessarily mean shes attracted to them. SHE MIGHT JUST BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THEM BUT DOESN'T FEEL ANY SEXUAL TENSION.

Mate there is no absolute algorithim in life for anything. Yes you can put the odds in your favour but your not gonna get a win win each time thats the way life is.

Ive never said you can win each time. Only someone naive would think so.

But you can get most girls attracted to you and its not that hard (especially with DMSI).

Its the comfort thats the hard part as a lot of girls avoid guys when they start getting too horny for them. I think DMSI helps with this though.

And Ive never said that there is an algorithm in life for anything, but I wouldn't rule it out. I'm not smart enough to know if there is or isn't.

And everything im writing is MY experience. Nobody has to agree with it.

Sorry mate I misunderstood you. That's the problem with forum messaging as oppose tichatting face to face. Are we still friends ? ?

No problem, lol, sure

[Jake2015]

Is DMSI, once it reaches its potential and beats fear and resistance so we all execute fully..can it:

1) overcome race. I mean if you like a white girl but she doesn't fook men of colour will DMSI make her want you and fook u?

2) overcome homosexuality. I mean in my case if I liked a lesbian who was super hot will DMSI help to make her want to fook me and fook me?

3) over other prejudices and limitations: age, height, etc?

4) location: if she lives abroad or she moves away far wil DMSI work at making her come back to you...to crave you and desire you and think about u...?

5) someone you like from a photo of video such as facebook or online or on someone else's phone but don't know her can it still somehow work on her irrespective of location or other barriers?

6) if a group of girls know each other but you know and want them all. A group such as 2, 3 or more girls will DMSI work?

7) will DMSI work on morals and values: even if the female(s) doesn't fuck or do 3somes will DMSI make it happen?

8) can DMSI make you seem super hot to women even if you actually are totally ugly. Fat. Hideous. Etc?

9) finally in all the above will or can DMSI help these girls to want to date you not just took u?

Just wondering. Thank you again @Shannon

[samba99]

Jake, take a break bro