Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[Adrien Silva]

shannon have you finished making the sub for your lungs and now are you working on the custom sub?

[firsthelix]

although no sex yet. But I feel like I might be close and the dam could burst at any moment.

Me neither no sex yet. You know, it is either a limiting belief or a very lucid view of reality but I have a hard time imagining a woman taking the lead to have sex (at least not the type of women that I find attractive...)

In my reality model, a woman wanting to have sex with me will be extremely cooperative with my suggestion of isolation her but as a man, I still have to lead to make it happen. You never evolve until you start standing on your own two feet, buy your house, pay your own bills, take on responsibilities etc.

To have everyday adventures that would put to shame most of the best cheesy porn scenarios is certainly accessible to all DMSI users. It is just a matter to have the strong belief that it is possible and behave accordingly and make moves on girls.

Possibly this is something you acquire with positive experience feedback...at first slowly and eventually, you become a legendary stud....

I still have restraints in that department possibly due to strong social programming. I think that minimal actions is required by the user to get results IOW, execute the script (know idea consciously what it is the script exactly...)

I think the two biggest things holding you guys back are the prison bars you have created for yourselves from fear of succeeding at the goals (not knowing yet how to get from Point A to Point C, with Point B being scary because it is undefined), or being afraid of women, sex, the potential consequences of having sex, or maybe even your own sexuality;

...and the prison bars you have created for yourselves concerning what it means to "be a man". A lot of you have so built your core identities on "Me man, me must hunt, me must be initiator, me must be aggressor, me must do all work, me man!" that you cannot conceive in your own heads of being a man and being so high value that none of that is actually necessary. The really high value males, the real top level guys, the guys who are truly the cream of the crop, they do not chase because they never have to! You instead are stuck in the logical fallacy of insisting on the past: 1. It has never happened to me before that way, so obviously, it never will. 2. I have never seen a woman come on to a man in real life, so obviously that is impossible. 3. I have never been that high value before to a woman, so obviously, I never will.

These are the final barriers we face for almost all of you. Think about them. Realize how much YOU are stopping yourself by accepting these as true. I already have programming in the script that tries to deal with all of this, but you guys are fighting it so hard in a lot of cases that you refuse to allow it to execute, and refuse to open yourself to the new reality in which these beliefs are no longer limiting you.

Good points Shannon. I get the feeling that a lot of the users are between the ages of 19 and 25. Either kids at still at college, living at home and are obsessed about getting laid. Or those who are at university who have never experienced the real world. University is to me was about studying, getting drunk and trying to get laid.

There's nothing wrong with getting laid. In fact chasing skirt in your 20's is optimal.

I have a friend whose slept with 1000+ women and he says it's only through this process do you refine what you want in a woman. He likened sexual experience to primary school - high school - college education. It's pretty limiting for a man to be in his 30's and have only a primary school level of understanding with women due to his own inexperience.

It's also pretty limiting for a guy to be making the same mistakes over and over again without learning rapidly. The faster a man goes through this process, the better able they are to achieve fulfillment and satisfaction with women.

Fulfillment with women sleeping with 1000s of them? Are you kidding me? Lay count is a socially conditioned benchmark, heavily enforced by the PUA community with no real meaning and doesn't mean shit when it comes to "getting to know women". "Experience" with women in that way is by no way mindful, it's just a counter related to validation. Guys who need to sleep with so many women have some serious issues, mate, and it's not about being a masculine man at all. What about self-value being a rare and selective commodity? Mindfully sleeping with 1 women a 1000 times will give you more insights about what is fulfilling and the true nature of a woman. Think about it...

[Username]

I don't understand the ghosting. When all the female attention gets cut off with a knife. 3.1A . Is it some healing cycle ending and other one starting or what? Have noticed it couple of times during my 8 months of usage.

[Determined]

Me neither no sex yet. You know, it is either a limiting belief or a very lucid view of reality but I have a hard time imagining a woman taking the lead to have sex (at least not the type of women that I find attractive...)

In my reality model, a woman wanting to have sex with me will be extremely cooperative with my suggestion of isolation her but as a man, I still have to lead to make it happen. You never evolve until you start standing on your own two feet, buy your house, pay your own bills, take on responsibilities etc.

To have everyday adventures that would put to shame most of the best cheesy porn scenarios is certainly accessible to all DMSI users. It is just a matter to have the strong belief that it is possible and behave accordingly and make moves on girls.

Possibly this is something you acquire with positive experience feedback...at first slowly and eventually, you become a legendary stud....

I still have restraints in that department possibly due to strong social programming. I think that minimal actions is required by the user to get results IOW, execute the script (know idea consciously what it is the script exactly...)

I think the two biggest things holding you guys back are the prison bars you have created for yourselves from fear of succeeding at the goals (not knowing yet how to get from Point A to Point C, with Point B being scary because it is undefined), or being afraid of women, sex, the potential consequences of having sex, or maybe even your own sexuality;

...and the prison bars you have created for yourselves concerning what it means to "be a man". A lot of you have so built your core identities on "Me man, me must hunt, me must be initiator, me must be aggressor, me must do all work, me man!" that you cannot conceive in your own heads of being a man and being so high value that none of that is actually necessary. The really high value males, the real top level guys, the guys who are truly the cream of the crop, they do not chase because they never have to! You instead are stuck in the logical fallacy of insisting on the past: 1. It has never happened to me before that way, so obviously, it never will. 2. I have never seen a woman come on to a man in real life, so obviously that is impossible. 3. I have never been that high value before to a woman, so obviously, I never will.

These are the final barriers we face for almost all of you. Think about them. Realize how much YOU are stopping yourself by accepting these as true. I already have programming in the script that tries to deal with all of this, but you guys are fighting it so hard in a lot of cases that you refuse to allow it to execute, and refuse to open yourself to the new reality in which these beliefs are no longer limiting you.

Good points Shannon. I get the feeling that a lot of the users are between the ages of 19 and 25. Either kids at still at college, living at home and are obsessed about getting laid. Or those who are at university who have never experienced the real world. University is to me was about studying, getting drunk and trying to get laid.

There's nothing wrong with getting laid. In fact chasing skirt in your 20's is optimal.

I have a friend whose slept with 1000+ women and he says it's only through this process do you refine what you want in a woman. He likened sexual experience to primary school - high school - college education. It's pretty limiting for a man to be in his 30's and have only a primary school level of understanding with women due to his own inexperience.

It's also pretty limiting for a guy to be making the same mistakes over and over again without learning rapidly. The faster a man goes through this process, the better able they are to achieve fulfillment and satisfaction with women.

Fulfillment with women sleeping with 1000s of them? Are you kidding me? Lay count is a socially conditioned benchmark, heavily enforced by the PUA community with no real meaning and doesn't mean shit when it comes to "getting to know women". "Experience" with women in that way is by no way mindful, it's just a counter related to validation. Guys who need to sleep with so many women have some serious issues, mate, and it's not about being a masculine man at all. What about self-value being a rare and selective commodity? Mindfully sleeping with 1 women a 1000 times will give you more insights about what is fulfilling and the true nature of a woman. Think about it...

Errr... you've made an assumption about his motivations without even knowing what they are. The guy absolutely loves sex. He loves women. His goal isn't to rack up notches, it's to enjoy himself. He's been in an open relationship with his current gf for 10+ years. Similar to what Shannon's got going on but for much longer.

That's where my second point comes in. Learning fast. Cycling through women is necessary to learn what you want from one. For example, my last gf lacked emotional maturity. Now I value that in a woman. There's no way I'd have that without having had the experience first.

The fulfillment comes from understanding what you want and finding that and then enjoying it.

[firsthelix]

I think the two biggest things holding you guys back are the prison bars you have created for yourselves from fear of succeeding at the goals (not knowing yet how to get from Point A to Point C, with Point B being scary because it is undefined), or being afraid of women, sex, the potential consequences of having sex, or maybe even your own sexuality;

...and the prison bars you have created for yourselves concerning what it means to "be a man". A lot of you have so built your core identities on "Me man, me must hunt, me must be initiator, me must be aggressor, me must do all work, me man!" that you cannot conceive in your own heads of being a man and being so high value that none of that is actually necessary. The really high value males, the real top level guys, the guys who are truly the cream of the crop, they do not chase because they never have to! You instead are stuck in the logical fallacy of insisting on the past: 1. It has never happened to me before that way, so obviously, it never will. 2. I have never seen a woman come on to a man in real life, so obviously that is impossible. 3. I have never been that high value before to a woman, so obviously, I never will.

These are the final barriers we face for almost all of you. Think about them. Realize how much YOU are stopping yourself by accepting these as true. I already have programming in the script that tries to deal with all of this, but you guys are fighting it so hard in a lot of cases that you refuse to allow it to execute, and refuse to open yourself to the new reality in which these beliefs are no longer limiting you.

Good points Shannon. I get the feeling that a lot of the users are between the ages of 19 and 25. Either kids at still at college, living at home and are obsessed about getting laid. Or those who are at university who have never experienced the real world. University is to me was about studying, getting drunk and trying to get laid.

There's nothing wrong with getting laid. In fact chasing skirt in your 20's is optimal.

I have a friend whose slept with 1000+ women and he says it's only through this process do you refine what you want in a woman. He likened sexual experience to primary school - high school - college education. It's pretty limiting for a man to be in his 30's and have only a primary school level of understanding with women due to his own inexperience.

It's also pretty limiting for a guy to be making the same mistakes over and over again without learning rapidly. The faster a man goes through this process, the better able they are to achieve fulfillment and satisfaction with women.

Fulfillment with women sleeping with 1000s of them? Are you kidding me? Lay count is a socially conditioned benchmark, heavily enforced by the PUA community with no real meaning and doesn't mean shit when it comes to "getting to know women". "Experience" with women in that way is by no way mindful, it's just a counter related to validation. Guys who need to sleep with so many women have some serious issues, mate, and it's not about being a masculine man at all. What about self-value being a rare and selective commodity? Mindfully sleeping with 1 women a 1000 times will give you more insights about what is fulfilling and the true nature of a woman. Think about it...

Errr... you've made an assumption about his motivations without even knowing what they are. The guy absolutely loves sex. He loves women. His goal isn't to rack up notches, it's to enjoy himself. He's been in an open relationship with his current gf for 10+ years. Similar to what Shannon's got going on but for much longer.

That's where my second point comes in. Learning fast. Cycling through women is necessary to learn what you want from one. For example, my last gf lacked emotional maturity. Now I value that in a woman. There's no way I'd have that without having had the experience first.

The fulfillment comes from understanding what you want and finding that and then enjoying it.

Sure. You didn't get my point though: sleeping with 1000s of women has nothing to do with knowing and understanding them. Sex is only one point of the equation and though important IMO massively overrated in the society we're living in. You mention emotional maturity i.e. and there are many more factors, including your own maturity and growth. The "cycling throug women is necessary" is another belief I don't share based on my experience because it's not a numbers game once you develop your own masculinity. On top of that, DMSI is exactly geared towards that.

[Determined]

You'd have to understand a hell of a lot about women to be able to bed them. Bedding 1000+ is more a side effect of his taste and his enjoyment of female companionship than it is a numbers game chasing notches.

No offence, but what you're saying is functionally irrelevant to this discussion as it doesn't pertain to what I'm saying. Try organising your thoughts into a clear, coherent response first.

I also do recognise that what I'm saying might be offensive to some people's views. Especially if they're in committed monogamous relationships. I'll reiterate for you - he's in a healthy open relationship. He sees women like a good meal, never satisfied with just enjoying the same dish over and over again ad nauseum for the rest of his day.

Admittedly, when I took on this frame (of seeing women as a good meal) in a nightclub, they were infinitely more receptive towards me. Even David Deida goes at length at how ravishing a woman is the ultimate form of love making and I've also found this to be true from personal experience.

If you can love a single woman 1000+ times then cudo's to you, but there is such a thing as the "Coolidge effect" which is well documented and necessitates having other partners rather than just one if you're interested in having an active and healthy sex life.

[Shannon]

Shannon, here is some feedback to hopefully help improve dmsi somehow. I have about 10 specific females that I do testing on. For every dmsi versions, I'd tried to see if I have a response or not from all of them. The dmsi listening duration for each version for the 1st test is about 1-2 weeks, 2nd test is about a month, 3rd test is about 3 months.

For one of my ex, here are her current results for 1st test:

2.3 - kiss given by her (I was playful and felt aura)
2.4a - massage requested by her (naked) (I was energetic and felt aura)
3.1a - no response (I was not tired from 3.1, did not feel aura and did try to seduce)
3.2b - no response (I was tired from 3.2, did not feel aura and did not try to seduce at all)

I notice for myself that the earlier versions, I would have some results. However the newer versions I do not see hardly any results so far.

(With two "possible" exception during 3.1. When Shannon mentioned before to listen and increase 3.1 loops until results shows. I reached 5 loops until something happen. One night I went out to club, drank 3 beers, and was seduced by a girl to dance with her, after club closed I walked away to leave from dance floor and I felt someone grab my ass and I turned around and it was the girl who seduce me to dance with her. She leaned into french kiss me. I do not know her. Two days after that day, I had already listen to 5 loops of 3.1, I was at another club already drank 3-5 beers dancing on my own. When the club closed and I was walking back to the bar, a drunk girl from the dance floor I do not know grabbed my ass! At the time, I am not sure if that was dmsi related or not since Shannon mention that alcohol and dmsi would not go together so I dismiss those two incidents from my mind until now. Shannon, if those two situations are valid dmsi events, does that mean there are exceptions to 'no alcohol while on dmsi' rule for some people? Or could it mean that some people require to feel 'relax and comfortable' [like on alcohol buzz] before executing dmsi more successfully? Could there be a module for that?)

If you started getting the results of DMSI from drinking alcohol, it means that you are consciously resisting the subconscious' efforts to execute the sub. It means that you are consciously trying so hard to prevent DMSI from working that even without the state shifting, chemically removing that conscious resistance is producing better results than you're allowing yourself to have otherwise. I'm still working out how to overcome that sort of thing, which I strongly suspect is the reason all the "stonewallers/resisters" who are left are still successful.

You once mention that the newer dmsi version has more power which may produce more resistance for some people.

Is there a way to create a module that will accept or not fear more power? (not afraid of being overwhelmed or confused by more power)

Or could it be that some people like myself have not learn how to process that much power at one time and require a different pace, repetition, or speed to process all the information the newer dmsi version has?

Thanks.

The issue is that the more successful I make DMSI, the more fear it produces in some of you because it is getting closer and closer to succeeding. When the program is more powerful than your fear and/or ability to resist, the program will erase the fear and you will execute quite naturally and happily.

While that fear/ability to resist remains, you will only have more fear.

You who are resisting so far are doing so because you're focusing more and more into your fears in response to DMSI trying to get you past them harder and harder.

[Shannon]

Shannon, Is goal is still for the those affected by your aura to initiate things with you?

Yes.

Affected do 100% of the work to make it happen?

Yes.

Still too early to tell about this version?

It's producing the results for some. But we aren't finished with the experiment yet, are we.

[Shannon]

shannon have you finished making the sub for your lungs and now are you working on the custom sub?

No, I'm still working on the sub for my lungs because there's just too much to do in a day. I am hoping to finish it today.

[Shannon]

I don't understand the ghosting. When all the female attention gets cut off with a knife. 3.1A . Is it some healing cycle ending and other one starting or what? Have noticed it couple of times during my 8 months of usage.

You haven't given me enough information, but I would bank on, either you're focusing inward to clear something, or you're reversing the intended effect of the program out of fear.

[mat422]

On that note Shannon, do you have any insight into identifying conscious resistance vs subconscious? I thought I was experiencing it more subconsciously but upon further examination I feel a strong push from deep within me that bubbles to the surface and I consciously sort of lock down. After realizing this I've been more aware of when it happens and remind myself to let go and allow my subconscious to make the changes I need in my life. My conscious mind can be a bit like a micro manager at times, constantly checking in on the subconscious and feeling the need to correct it or watch it intensely. It seems like if my conscious can't see or observe what's happening subconsciously it sort of panics. I think there's still some kind of lack of trust. It's definitely improved with 3.2. Maybe as I make more changes and improve my life that trust will build more?

[Shannon]

On that note Shannon, do you have any insight into identifying conscious resistance vs subconscious? I thought I was experiencing it more subconsciously but upon further examination I feel a strong push from deep within me that bubbles to the surface and I consciously sort of lock down. After realizing this I've been more aware of when it happens and remind myself to let go and allow my subconscious to make the changes I need in my life. My conscious mind can be a bit like a micro manager at times, constantly checking in on the subconscious and feeling the need to correct it or watch it intensely. It seems like if my conscious can't see or observe what's happening subconsciously it sort of panics. I think there's still some kind of lack of trust. It's definitely improved with 3.2. Maybe as I make more changes and improve my life that trust will build more?

It's fear of the unknown and of lack of control.

I am working on this issue, but it's not a simple one to approach. But yes, as you grow, it will improve more, and it will also improve as I understand better how to deal with it.

[Username]

I don't understand the ghosting. When all the female attention gets cut off with a knife. 3.1A . Is it some healing cycle ending and other one starting or what? Have noticed it couple of times during my 8 months of usage.

You haven't given me enough information, but I would bank on, either you're focusing inward to clear something, or you're reversing the intended effect of the program out of fear.

No worries, I did figure it out ...till the next time :p

I also think I figured out what the new test program is about, and I didn't have to toss the coin. But I'm not going to say it out loud here...no reason to spoil it for other people.

[Shadow2200]

Yes.

Affected do 100% of the work to make it happen?

Yes.

Still too early to tell about this version?

It's producing the results for some. But we aren't finished with the experiment yet, are we.

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If the affected fail to initiate would be possible that the affected are also be resisting the effects of the aura?