Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[Jake2015]

I am no longer a stonewaller. I was but now I am released from this and so i am an executer? hows that sound? as ill need to change my descrip' under my name.

Fixed

hahah I came on and went to other posts first and remembered I should change this and it was changed. I was so confused and thought SHIT THIS DMSI IS AMAZING hahaha thanks Cyanide!!

[Jake2015]

You're asking me what percentage of red is redder if we have more red than we have now. There's no way to answer. I have said this before several times already, but I will say it again:

DMSI will do what it takes to get you to the finish line, provided you execute the script.

A side will try to actively and gently clear and heal those issues that block you, and may take longer. B side will leave that job up to the Optimus Engine, which will achieve the goal by whatever means are most expedient. They will both get you past that barrier if you need H&C to do it; it's not a matter of which one is "more effective", but of which one is more suitable for your personality type.

I have no idea for me which therefore is better. As a stonewaller that is now not stonewalling on B, so far not fapping is the only tangible result I have noticed. I dont want to sabotage this by changing to A but I also dont want to miss on any better effect that A may give me. No idea. I would only change to A because the "H&C" sounds so amazing as I would love to heal and clear my inner garbage but at the same time, B being a sledgehammer will achieve this too and smash through.

I feel like im stuck between a rock and a hard place with this.

What if you cease to identify yourself as a stonewaller?

I am no longer a stonewaller. I was but now I am released from this and so i am an executer? hows that sound? as ill need to change my descrip' under my name.

Your first response was to identify as a stonewaller. What is the definition of a stonewaller, Jake? Someone who resists and stonewalls. And what will the subconscious do in reaction to the identity of being someone who resists and stonewalls? Perpetuate that reality, of course. Same reason why most people keep failing to really stop smoking, and instead they feed themselves ***** lies about "I've quit 34 times now!" No, they paused 34 times now... they were always still a smoker because that was their core identity.

When someone called you out on this, you said you are no longer a stonewaller. But this identity is your subconscious reality, and was revealed as such by the automatic reference to yourself as such.

DMSI has scripting to deal with this. But it will take time to work. How much time, I don't know.

thank you Shannon. I think this became my reality only when (and im not in anyway blaming you) you revealed to me that what I am doing is stonewalling. It was new to me because obviously I never want to do that, im using the subs to better me not to stonewall them. What perhaps this shows is how im easily led, influenced or able for someone to maybe shape my identity perhaps.

Or perhaps its showing me that if you can influence me this easily then the subs can and will work on me lol either way I know I have stonewalled but dont want to and want DMSI to definitely smash this core and all negative core beliefs down and to increase my self esteem and self worth etc too.

hence why im unsure which is best for me track A or track B.

[Jake2015]

Identifying with being a resistor, a stonewaller, etc. resists the goal in itself. But stating that you are an executor before you are is also going to trigger resistance. For now, just disconnecting the "resister" identity is the goal.

ok so I am simply Me then

[Have at ye]

Interesting idea with the blind test! Would be up for that were it not for the fact I've just started DMSI3.2 a couple of weeks ago. Might be up for some testing of this kind in the future though, as I trust Shannon's test subs are going to be primed to benefit the user anyhow.

[Jake2015]

Yes it's serious. We expect not much usage currently due to dmsi. However, for those who are not using dmsi and are in transition between subs may find time to try it out.

sounds exciting and awesome! hope to read journals for this

[Oversoul]

Anybody watched a movie called "the arrival"? Kinda explains the TID effect that Shannon talks about. Good movie too. Wonder if that kind of thing is possible to that scale tho

[DarkPlouf]

Shannon, what can you estimate about the effectiveness of H&C in 3.2A then compared to 3.1A?
Maybe in percentage.

You're asking me what percentage of red is redder if we have more red than we have now. There's no way to answer. I have said this before several times already, but I will say it again:

DMSI will do what it takes to get you to the finish line, provided you execute the script.

A side will try to actively and gently clear and heal those issues that block you, and may take longer. B side will leave that job up to the Optimus Engine, which will achieve the goal by whatever means are most expedient. They will both get you past that barrier if you need H&C to do it; it's not a matter of which one is "more effective", but of which one is more suitable for your personality type.

I have no idea for me which therefore is better. As a stonewaller that is now not stonewalling on B, so far not fapping is the only tangible result I have noticed. I dont want to sabotage this by changing to A but I also dont want to miss on any better effect that A may give me. No idea. I would only change to A because the "H&C" sounds so amazing as I would love to heal and clear my inner garbage but at the same time, B being a sledgehammer will achieve this too and smash through.

I feel like im stuck between a rock and a hard place with this.

What if you cease to identify yourself as a stonewaller?

You can't really blame Jake. "resisting","stonewaling","resistor" and many other of the like are the most used words in this forum. It's like...it's becoming a standard now to expect to resist a subliminal, even a tiny part of it. Consciously or not, we are getting trained to resist subs. We hear from Shannon "if it doesn't work then that's because you resist", then from oneself: "oh no...doesn't work, I must be a resistor", and even from fellow members: "You resisted X hard | You are known to be a resistor", ect.
Notice on newcomers quickly accept "resistance" as a truth here and write in their new shiny reports that they are maybe resisting.

The other day Shannon talked about how it's important for one to be focused on success instead of lack. I wanted to jump on the occasion to speak my mind but didn't want to start a drama. Then now there's another occasion for me.

I think we might get into self-fulfilling prophecies about resisting. After all, whenever something doesn't work, the minds of members here go directly to "resistance". Ignoring the countless of other variables in play, why would a sub not work for a given individual.
It gets even worst when "You choose to resist" is all what "resistors" hear, talking about taking responsibility (shit like that) and how its their own fault for not executing.
But, Ta-da, that's how we get an individual internalizing the thought that he's a failure as a subliminal user. Yup the subconscious or whatever part of that user can see it to that extreme.

The reminder from Wolverine to stop identifying oneself as a stonewaller or a resistor is a good one. Also maybe we shouldn't be so quick to jump to the conclusion that a member resists a sub when it doesn't give satisfying results.

[Blink]

Let me steal Shannon thunder for a minute and announce the release of a new experimental sub that will be hitting the shop within the next day or two. Here is the description:

APCE_MFX_HU

This new subliminal is being released, purposely without clear description, for free in order to test a new subliminal technology. It contains specific, unique technology that is not present in any other subliminals currently in production. The reason for not giving a clear indication of what this sub does or any clues about the goals of the script is to definitively test what the results will be without the user being aware of the goal(s). We will gague success upon user experience in journal entries on the forum.

We want to reiterate that APCE_MFX_HU is for experimental use only and we do not guarantee nor claim to guarantee results of any kind.

This subliminal is designed to be a voluntary effect, and therefore will only affect people who subconsciously agree to the goals of the program, so it is therefore safe to expose others while exposing the self.

Compatibility:
APCE_MFX_HU does contain P6 technology and as such it is not compatible with use along side any other subliminal.

Usage:
We recommend starting at one loop per day to allow yourself to observe how minimum exposure will effect you. Please be aware that each loop is 2 hours long. Moderate volume is suggested. APCE_MFX_HU should be used only by persons 18 years and older and is suitable for use by any gender.

In. I've been off of subs for a while now.

[Sterling]

Shannon, here is some feedback to hopefully help improve dmsi somehow. I have about 10 specific females that I do testing on. For every dmsi versions, I'd tried to see if I have a response or not from all of them. The dmsi listening duration for each version for the 1st test is about 1-2 weeks, 2nd test is about a month, 3rd test is about 3 months.

For one of my ex, here are her current results for 1st test:

2.3 - kiss given by her (I was playful and felt aura)
2.4a - massage requested by her (naked) (I was energetic and felt aura)
3.1a - no response (I was not tired from 3.1, did not feel aura and did try to seduce)
3.2b - no response (I was tired from 3.2, did not feel aura and did not try to seduce at all)

I notice for myself that the earlier versions, I would have some results. However the newer versions I do not see hardly any results so far.

(With two "possible" exception during 3.1. When Shannon mentioned before to listen and increase 3.1 loops until results shows. I reached 5 loops until something happen. One night I went out to club, drank 3 beers, and was seduced by a girl to dance with her, after club closed I walked away to leave from dance floor and I felt someone grab my ass and I turned around and it was the girl who seduce me to dance with her. She leaned into french kiss me. I do not know her. Two days after that day, I had already listen to 5 loops of 3.1, I was at another club already drank 3-5 beers dancing on my own. When the club closed and I was walking back to the bar, a drunk girl from the dance floor I do not know grabbed my ass! At the time, I am not sure if that was dmsi related or not since Shannon mention that alcohol and dmsi would not go together so I dismiss those two incidents from my mind until now. Shannon, if those two situations are valid dmsi events, does that mean there are exceptions to 'no alcohol while on dmsi' rule for some people? Or could it mean that some people require to feel 'relax and comfortable' [like on alcohol buzz] before executing dmsi more successfully? Could there be a module for that?)

You once mention that the newer dmsi version has more power which may produce more resistance for some people.

Is there a way to create a module that will accept or not fear more power? (not afraid of being overwhelmed or confused by more power)

Or could it be that some people like myself have not learn how to process that much power at one time and require a different pace, repetition, or speed to process all the information the newer dmsi version has?

Thanks.

[Havana]

Reminds of an experiment where a guy on YouTube posted a sigil for viewers to use, without disclosing its purpose. After a while it was revealed it was supposed to manifest an orange ball in the garden. And the kicker, it worked for many people. Someone even said an orange ball appeared on their balcony, seemingly out of nowhere (they lived high above ground floor).

[Shadow2200]

Shannon, Is goal is still for the those affected by your aura to initiate things with you?

Yes.

Affected do 100% of the work to make it happen?

Yes.

Still too early to tell about this version?

[thor2014]

although no sex yet. But I feel like I might be close and the dam could burst at any moment.

Me neither no sex yet. You know, it is either a limiting belief or a very lucid view of reality but I have a hard time imagining a woman taking the lead to have sex (at least not the type of women that I find attractive...)

In my reality model, a woman wanting to have sex with me will be extremely cooperative with my suggestion of isolation her but as a man, I still have to lead to make it happen. You never evolve until you start standing on your own two feet, buy your house, pay your own bills, take on responsibilities etc.

To have everyday adventures that would put to shame most of the best cheesy porn scenarios is certainly accessible to all DMSI users. It is just a matter to have the strong belief that it is possible and behave accordingly and make moves on girls.

Possibly this is something you acquire with positive experience feedback...at first slowly and eventually, you become a legendary stud....

I still have restraints in that department possibly due to strong social programming. I think that minimal actions is required by the user to get results IOW, execute the script (know idea consciously what it is the script exactly...)

I think the two biggest things holding you guys back are the prison bars you have created for yourselves from fear of succeeding at the goals (not knowing yet how to get from Point A to Point C, with Point B being scary because it is undefined), or being afraid of women, sex, the potential consequences of having sex, or maybe even your own sexuality;

...and the prison bars you have created for yourselves concerning what it means to "be a man". A lot of you have so built your core identities on "Me man, me must hunt, me must be initiator, me must be aggressor, me must do all work, me man!" that you cannot conceive in your own heads of being a man and being so high value that none of that is actually necessary. The really high value males, the real top level guys, the guys who are truly the cream of the crop, they do not chase because they never have to! You instead are stuck in the logical fallacy of insisting on the past: 1. It has never happened to me before that way, so obviously, it never will. 2. I have never seen a woman come on to a man in real life, so obviously that is impossible. 3. I have never been that high value before to a woman, so obviously, I never will.

These are the final barriers we face for almost all of you. Think about them. Realize how much YOU are stopping yourself by accepting these as true. I already have programming in the script that tries to deal with all of this, but you guys are fighting it so hard in a lot of cases that you refuse to allow it to execute, and refuse to open yourself to the new reality in which these beliefs are no longer limiting you.

Good points Shannon. I get the feeling that a lot of the users are between the ages of 19 and 25. Either kids at still at college, living at home and are obsessed about getting laid. Or those who are at university who have never experienced the real world. University is to me was about studying, getting drunk and trying to get laid.

[Determined]

although no sex yet. But I feel like I might be close and the dam could burst at any moment.

Me neither no sex yet. You know, it is either a limiting belief or a very lucid view of reality but I have a hard time imagining a woman taking the lead to have sex (at least not the type of women that I find attractive...)

In my reality model, a woman wanting to have sex with me will be extremely cooperative with my suggestion of isolation her but as a man, I still have to lead to make it happen. You never evolve until you start standing on your own two feet, buy your house, pay your own bills, take on responsibilities etc.

To have everyday adventures that would put to shame most of the best cheesy porn scenarios is certainly accessible to all DMSI users. It is just a matter to have the strong belief that it is possible and behave accordingly and make moves on girls.

Possibly this is something you acquire with positive experience feedback...at first slowly and eventually, you become a legendary stud....

I still have restraints in that department possibly due to strong social programming. I think that minimal actions is required by the user to get results IOW, execute the script (know idea consciously what it is the script exactly...)

I think the two biggest things holding you guys back are the prison bars you have created for yourselves from fear of succeeding at the goals (not knowing yet how to get from Point A to Point C, with Point B being scary because it is undefined), or being afraid of women, sex, the potential consequences of having sex, or maybe even your own sexuality;

...and the prison bars you have created for yourselves concerning what it means to "be a man". A lot of you have so built your core identities on "Me man, me must hunt, me must be initiator, me must be aggressor, me must do all work, me man!" that you cannot conceive in your own heads of being a man and being so high value that none of that is actually necessary. The really high value males, the real top level guys, the guys who are truly the cream of the crop, they do not chase because they never have to! You instead are stuck in the logical fallacy of insisting on the past: 1. It has never happened to me before that way, so obviously, it never will. 2. I have never seen a woman come on to a man in real life, so obviously that is impossible. 3. I have never been that high value before to a woman, so obviously, I never will.

These are the final barriers we face for almost all of you. Think about them. Realize how much YOU are stopping yourself by accepting these as true. I already have programming in the script that tries to deal with all of this, but you guys are fighting it so hard in a lot of cases that you refuse to allow it to execute, and refuse to open yourself to the new reality in which these beliefs are no longer limiting you.

Good points Shannon. I get the feeling that a lot of the users are between the ages of 19 and 25. Either kids at still at college, living at home and are obsessed about getting laid. Or those who are at university who have never experienced the real world. University is to me was about studying, getting drunk and trying to get laid.

There's nothing wrong with getting laid. In fact chasing skirt in your 20's is optimal.

I have a friend whose slept with 1000+ women and he says it's only through this process do you refine what you want in a woman. He likened sexual experience to primary school - high school - college education. It's pretty limiting for a man to be in his 30's and have only a primary school level of understanding with women due to his own inexperience.

It's also pretty limiting for a guy to be making the same mistakes over and over again without learning rapidly. The faster a man goes through this process, the better able they are to achieve fulfillment and satisfaction with women.

[Username]

APCE_MFX_HU
Somehow I feel gravitational effect towards it. Not jet sure if I'm gonna use it though. Probably let the coin toss decide it or something