Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8

[Shannon]

Hey Shannon

Have you ever thought about contracting another company to make an affordable FLAC player just for running your subliminals?  This would remove any confusion about volume levels, and the player could also be optimized to stream subscriptions from the site.

That's been in the longer term plans for years now.  I have to do a few more things before we get to that, but it's in the plans.

[Have at ye]

Congrats on releasing OGSF v3!

I am personally saddened, though, that it should not be run with a 6G shield in tow. For my current circumstances, this sounds like a deal-breaker unfortunately. I will still consider purchasing it if/when things calm down a bit!

Patiently waiting for future releases.

I am personally lobbying for an OED 6G re-release while I'm at it! I ran the 5.11G version but all my progress was being put through the wringer through outside attacks; 6G shielding (DRS v2 in particular, which is formidable) should resolve this.

[Shannon]

Congrats on releasing OGSF v3!

I am personally saddened, though, that it should not be run with a 6G shield in tow. For my current circumstances, this sounds like a deal-breaker unfortunately. I will still consider purchasing it if/when things calm down a bit!

Patiently waiting for future releases.

I am personally lobbying for an OED 6G re-release while I'm at it! I ran the 5.11G version but all my progress was being put through the wringer through outside attacks; 6G shielding (DRS v2 in particular, which is formidable) should resolve this.

I'll take that suggestion and put it in the list for what to consider for building next.

[Frosted]

@Benjamin My thoughts exactly about the 3 months. It feels like the perfect amount of time. I respect sticking to what you’re running, because this has gotta be the hardest time not to switch haha.

@Shannon  Okay awesome, I’m already a couple days in my off days, so I’ll finish the full week then get started!

Edit: I was looking at the instructions for OGSF3 and may have noticed a potential mistake. You say 13% is best, but 13% of 16 is 2.08, instead of the 3/16 that is listed. Is this a typo or should we follow what’s listed?

[Catman]

I was forced to work all night long last night and then get up early today to get OGSF v3 out today, so I'm wiped.  But I am not sick anymore.  So been working my butt off since I stopped being sick.  I'll post more and read more later.  But @CatMan on X4A-2000:

The requirements for X4A-2000 to pass testing were not met during three months of testing, primarily because testing was an absolute shit show of circumstances that couldn't have been worse.  We came very close to having it pass testing on multiple occasions, but each time circumstances forced pulling the rip cord before there was a request for or an offer of sex.  In some cases, the tester was forced to shut the woman down because he was taken and didn't want to risk having things go too far.  In some cases, women responded in ways we didn't expect, which we shut down results from on moral grounds. 

To give you an idea... during one of my tests, I went to have dinner at a local wings bar and had a couple on their first date sitting next to me.  He was sitting between us, and she was more and more responsive.  When her date went to the bathroom, she made it abundantly clear to me that she was very interested in having me come home with her to give her a very deep, hard and rough time.  I of course had to pull the rip cord before she outright asked for that because...

A) She was with another man. Homey don't play dat.
B) She was on her first date with another man. Homey definitely don't play dat.
C) She was drunk. Homey sure as HELL don't play dat!
D) And most importantly, I am involved in an LTR with a woman who trusts me enough to be comfortable with me doing this sort of testing, and our relationship is extremely important and valuable to me.  I am not about to come home and have to explain that, sorry dear, you can't trust me anymore because some random drunk woman got handsy with me, kissed me or somehow got parts of me touching intimate parts of her (or vice versa) before I realized what she was doing because I didn't shut her down in time.  Trust like I have with my current girlfriend is a one shot deal, and I'm absolutely not going to blow it for anyone or anything.

All but one of the testers had at least one experience during testing that could have resulted in sex, if it had been allowed to progress.  But in every case, there was something wrong, and we had to pull the rip cord and shut her down before she outright asked... or refuse when she outright asked for moral reasons.  I could not count that as success because it was not what I had originally set as the requirements for that program to pass testing.  And I ran out of time to work on it.

With what we learned from testing 2000, X4A is still being developed, but 6G development and now building in 6G has taken priority.  I have also kept you all in the dark for some important reasons.  When we have something to offer you that is worth what I am going to charge for it, you'll know.  But be aware that the next X4A is going to be built in 6G-Final, and it will be a Premium.  And I am not going to publish something that interesting and that expensive unless I know for sure that it works like I say it does.   No matter how much money I have to give up on by not publishing it.

That's great news you're not sick anymore, good to hear, @Shannon . I still can't believe 6G is at last...a reality. Very eye-raising, the usage times as well. Extremely hard to believe, coming from the 4G-5G Era...

Oh, I gave up on X4A-2000 awhile back, haha...I remember the testing situation you had with it and then you decided not to release it. And that you had, exclusively, men in relationships testing it. I can easily see why testing such a program with that testing group is ultimately impossible. We don't want any drama nonsense, exactly. I remember your story about the guy on the doorstep with the shotgun...fun times...

I was referring to X4A-1600, that you said recently can be buffed up to 6G without much effort. That's what I meant. The 1600 version. I know the plan was to have 2000 be a special "premium" program, but that seems to have been abandoned and you said it was more of an extreme version but pared down for a specific type of woman from what I recall. It might have turned out to be a very special program, but I understand the testing environment etc. caused difficulty and it got mothballed.

I'm sure 1600 will still be a VERY solid upgrade, and I believe 1511 was still on the right track whole heartedly, to be honest. It was a step in the right direction, I'm sure. If 1511 is what it is...then 1600 should be a fantastic program and change a lot of lives. I know it can help further improve mine, based off past experience.

And from what you said, it won't take much to upgrade to 6G also, so a bit less work to rake in those sales, haha.

[Shannon]

@Benjamin My thoughts exactly about the 3 months. It feels like the perfect amount of time. I respect sticking to what you’re running, because this has gotta be the hardest time not to switch haha.

@Shannon  Okay awesome, I’m already a couple days in my off days, so I’ll finish the full week then get started!

Edit: I was looking at the instructions for OGSF3 and may have noticed a potential mistake. You say 13% is best, but 13% of 16 is 2.08, instead of the 3/16 that is listed. Is this a typo or should we follow what’s listed?

That did not go un-noticed by me either.  I verified the 3/16 through the models.  Mathematically, 2/15 is 13.334%, and the closest is 2/15.  With phones outside of those specified with exact values, 13% is going to have to be the best we can offer.  These numbers are calculated through the models for what's best for "Android phones" and "iPhones" and "Google phones" as a whole, not my specific model and year or whatever.  I unfortunately cannot account for every variance.  But good catch!  Thank you for looking out.

[Shannon]

I was forced to work all night long last night and then get up early today to get OGSF v3 out today, so I'm wiped.  But I am not sick anymore.  So been working my butt off since I stopped being sick.  I'll post more and read more later.  But @CatMan on X4A-2000:

The requirements for X4A-2000 to pass testing were not met during three months of testing, primarily because testing was an absolute shit show of circumstances that couldn't have been worse.  We came very close to having it pass testing on multiple occasions, but each time circumstances forced pulling the rip cord before there was a request for or an offer of sex.  In some cases, the tester was forced to shut the woman down because he was taken and didn't want to risk having things go too far.  In some cases, women responded in ways we didn't expect, which we shut down results from on moral grounds. 

To give you an idea... during one of my tests, I went to have dinner at a local wings bar and had a couple on their first date sitting next to me.  He was sitting between us, and she was more and more responsive.  When her date went to the bathroom, she made it abundantly clear to me that she was very interested in having me come home with her to give her a very deep, hard and rough time.  I of course had to pull the rip cord before she outright asked for that because...

A) She was with another man. Homey don't play dat.
B) She was on her first date with another man. Homey definitely don't play dat.
C) She was drunk. Homey sure as HELL don't play dat!
D) And most importantly, I am involved in an LTR with a woman who trusts me enough to be comfortable with me doing this sort of testing, and our relationship is extremely important and valuable to me.  I am not about to come home and have to explain that, sorry dear, you can't trust me anymore because some random drunk woman got handsy with me, kissed me or somehow got parts of me touching intimate parts of her (or vice versa) before I realized what she was doing because I didn't shut her down in time.  Trust like I have with my current girlfriend is a one shot deal, and I'm absolutely not going to blow it for anyone or anything.

All but one of the testers had at least one experience during testing that could have resulted in sex, if it had been allowed to progress.  But in every case, there was something wrong, and we had to pull the rip cord and shut her down before she outright asked... or refuse when she outright asked for moral reasons.  I could not count that as success because it was not what I had originally set as the requirements for that program to pass testing.  And I ran out of time to work on it.

With what we learned from testing 2000, X4A is still being developed, but 6G development and now building in 6G has taken priority.  I have also kept you all in the dark for some important reasons.  When we have something to offer you that is worth what I am going to charge for it, you'll know.  But be aware that the next X4A is going to be built in 6G-Final, and it will be a Premium.  And I am not going to publish something that interesting and that expensive unless I know for sure that it works like I say it does.   No matter how much money I have to give up on by not publishing it.

That's great news you're not sick anymore, good to hear, @Shannon . I still can't believe 6G is at last...a reality. Very eye-raising, the usage times as well. Extremely hard to believe, coming from the 4G-5G Era...

Oh, I gave up on X4A-2000 awhile back, haha...I remember the testing situation you had with it and then you decided not to release it. And that you had, exclusively, men in relationships testing it. I can easily see why testing such a program with that testing group is ultimately impossible. We don't want any drama nonsense, exactly. I remember your story about the guy on the doorstep with the shotgun...fun times...

I was referring to X4A-1600, that you said recently can be buffed up to 6G without much effort. That's what I meant. The 1600 version. I know the plan was to have 2000 be a special "premium" program, but that seems to have been abandoned and you said it was more of an extreme version but pared down for a specific type of woman from what I recall. It might have turned out to be a very special program, but I understand the testing environment etc. caused difficulty and it got mothballed.

I'm sure 1600 will still be a VERY solid upgrade, and I believe 1511 was still on the right track whole heartedly, to be honest. It was a step in the right direction, I'm sure. If 1511 is what it is...then 1600 should be a fantastic program and change a lot of lives. I know it can help further improve mine, based off past experience.

And from what you said, it won't take much to upgrade to 6G also, so a bit less work to rake in those sales, haha.

Yeah, the usage times coming out of the models at this point are hard to believe, but they are also very stable in the models and they have not shown any problems in testing so far, so we're using them.  If there is an issue I can always adjust later, but I really don't want to err on the side of too much exposure and volume with a combination like we see in OGSF.  I don't think there will be an issue unless people decide to FAFO.  6G is truly blowing my mind so far.

X4A-1600 will not be difficult to build in 6G, and I had plans to do that this month.

[ncbeareatingman]

Shannon,
welcome back. UMS 3, will that be a two stage set instead of 4 stages ,given the new technology, or too early to tell? When approx. do you think that program will be worked on/released?

[Catman]

That's great news you're not sick anymore, good to hear, @Shannon . I still can't believe 6G is at last...a reality. Very eye-raising, the usage times as well. Extremely hard to believe, coming from the 4G-5G Era...

Oh, I gave up on X4A-2000 awhile back, haha...I remember the testing situation you had with it and then you decided not to release it. And that you had, exclusively, men in relationships testing it. I can easily see why testing such a program with that testing group is ultimately impossible. We don't want any drama nonsense, exactly. I remember your story about the guy on the doorstep with the shotgun...fun times...

I was referring to X4A-1600, that you said recently can be buffed up to 6G without much effort. That's what I meant. The 1600 version. I know the plan was to have 2000 be a special "premium" program, but that seems to have been abandoned and you said it was more of an extreme version but pared down for a specific type of woman from what I recall. It might have turned out to be a very special program, but I understand the testing environment etc. caused difficulty and it got mothballed.

I'm sure 1600 will still be a VERY solid upgrade, and I believe 1511 was still on the right track whole heartedly, to be honest. It was a step in the right direction, I'm sure. If 1511 is what it is...then 1600 should be a fantastic program and change a lot of lives. I know it can help further improve mine, based off past experience.

And from what you said, it won't take much to upgrade to 6G also, so a bit less work to rake in those sales, haha.

Yeah, the usage times coming out of the models at this point are hard to believe, but they are also very stable in the models and they have not shown any problems in testing so far, so we're using them.  If there is an issue I can always adjust later, but I really don't want to err on the side of too much exposure and volume with a combination like we see in OGSF.  I don't think there will be an issue unless people decide to FAFO.  6G is truly blowing my mind so far.

X4A-1600 will not be difficult to build in 6G, and I had plans to do that this month.

I totally believe you...it amused me when you stated the usage for OGSF...LMAO...I thought OSC's was insane enough. No way it could be less, otherwise, how could the sub even WORK with such low usage, I thought. And was still more than happy with a 20 min usage, although I accepted that programs will vary on time of course. Still, a universe away from earlier generations in usage time. Yet, here we are with the OGSF release and halving that number, wow. Numbers don't lie, like you say, so they must be for real! And exactly, if they need to be reworked based off new info down the road, that can easily be done. But deeply shocking numbers so far...

Oh wow... @Shannon, that is AMAZING NEWS!!! I can't wait for X4A-1600, it will be an instant purchase. Seems like very soon, I will finally experience 6G at last. It's been such a long wait, so much patience, so much faith...soon it seems then that at long last, the wait will be over for me. That's absolutely fantastic news. Thank you so deeply! 6G LFG!!!

[Shannon]

Yeah, the usage times coming out of the models at this point are hard to believe, but they are also very stable in the models and they have not shown any problems in testing so far, so we're using them.  If there is an issue I can always adjust later, but I really don't want to err on the side of too much exposure and volume with a combination like we see in OGSF.  I don't think there will be an issue unless people decide to FAFO.  6G is truly blowing my mind so far.

X4A-1600 will not be difficult to build in 6G, and I had plans to do that this month.

I totally believe you...it amused me when you stated the usage for OGSF...LMAO...I thought OSC's was insane enough. No way it could be less, otherwise, how could the sub even WORK with such low usage, I thought. And was still more than happy with a 20 min usage, although I accepted that programs will vary on time of course. Still, a universe away from earlier generations in usage time. Yet, here we are with the OGSF release and halving that number, wow. Numbers don't lie, like you say, so they must be for real! And exactly, if they need to be reworked based off new info down the road, that can easily be done. But deeply shocking numbers so far...

Oh wow... @Shannon, that is AMAZING NEWS!!! I can't wait for X4A-1600, it will be an instant purchase. Seems like very soon, I will finally experience 6G at last. It's been such a long wait, so much patience, so much faith...soon it seems then that at long last, the wait will be over for me. That's absolutely fantastic news. Thank you so deeply! 6G LFG!!!

Volumes and usage times are of course dependent on the generation used, the goals of the program and they are influenced by what of the available options that result makes the customer happiest when it comes to modeling the best usage times.  When we have two seriously contradictory factors (the raw power of 6G vs the sensitivity of something like working with GSF) it tends to get a bit hairy.  Less time per day works better because it doesn't push too hard.  I think we're going to see usage times vary between roughly 5 and 30 minutes per day for most types of goals in 6G.  But the numbers will be calculated on a case by case basis.  We shall see.

I was wanting to publish OGSF before 1600.  I'm working  on 1600 right now.  Most of the optimizations and adjustments are done, but I have to go through with a fine tooth comb through every statement and make sure everything is optimized, and optimized fully.  With 6G, once the script is finished, I can usually build it from text to a finished subliminal in about 1-2 days, depending on whether or not I encounter unexpected issues with build, QC check and various other little gotchas I have to be vigilant for.  in 5.11G, this same process required 5 to 7 days.  So X4A-1600 will be available very soon.  I should be finished building it later today or tomorrow, and then I have to build the product description and calculate usage patterns, etc.

The 6G build process is MUCH faster, but I am planning to do no more than 2 to 3 titles a month because I need to spend time learning a new DAW, and I need to start working more rest time into my work flow.  Burning out is not how to accomplish things.

Please remember, however, that developing a script from scratch, or developing a new script addition, is no faster than before.  So with new stuff, or stuff that has to be completely re-worked (AM7, BASE, etc.) it will not be quick.

[Shannon]

Shannon,

welcome back. UMS 3, will that be a two stage set instead of 4 stages ,given the new technology, or too early to tell? When approx. do you think that program will be  worked on/released?

Thank you. 

I'm not sure yet how many stages UMS v3 will have.  I had been planning to make it 4 stages again, because of stepping up, working through issues and preventing boredom, but with the new tech, I don't know.  When I get to that I'll have to run it through the models.

I am trying to get to that one ASAP because I'd like to run it and I think it would be REALLY useful and helpful for many of you as well.  Probably start on it later this month, or next month.

[ncbeareatingman]

OK cool. Later this month or April. Much sooner than I'd thought, as far a Starting on UMS3.

[Baya]

Hello Shannon

i am rather new here and got OGSFv2.0 10 days ago and wanted to ask if i could get an upgrade to OGSFv3.0 by paying you the price difference?

Kindes regards
Baya

[Catman]

I totally believe you...it amused me when you stated the usage for OGSF...LMAO...I thought OSC's was insane enough. No way it could be less, otherwise, how could the sub even WORK with such low usage, I thought. And was still more than happy with a 20 min usage, although I accepted that programs will vary on time of course. Still, a universe away from earlier generations in usage time. Yet, here we are with the OGSF release and halving that number, wow. Numbers don't lie, like you say, so they must be for real! And exactly, if they need to be reworked based off new info down the road, that can easily be done. But deeply shocking numbers so far...

Oh wow... @Shannon, that is AMAZING NEWS!!! I can't wait for X4A-1600, it will be an instant purchase. Seems like very soon, I will finally experience 6G at last. It's been such a long wait, so much patience, so much faith...soon it seems then that at long last, the wait will be over for me. That's absolutely fantastic news. Thank you so deeply! 6G LFG!!!

Volumes and usage times are of course dependent on the generation used, the goals of the program and they are influenced by what of the available options that result makes the customer happiest when it comes to modeling the best usage times.  When we have two seriously contradictory factors (the raw power of 6G vs the sensitivity of something like working with GSF) it tends to get a bit hairy.  Less time per day works better because it doesn't push too hard.  I think we're going to see usage times vary between roughly 5 and 30 minutes per day for most types of goals in 6G.  But the numbers will be calculated on a case by case basis.  We shall see.

I was wanting to publish OGSF before 1600.  I'm working  on 1600 right now.  Most of the optimizations and adjustments are done, but I have to go through with a fine tooth comb through every statement and make sure everything is optimized, and optimized fully.  With 6G, once the script is finished, I can usually build it from text to a finished subliminal in about 1-2 days, depending on whether or not I encounter unexpected issues with build, QC check and various other little gotchas I have to be vigilant for.  in 5.11G, this same process required 5 to 7 days.  So X4A-1600 will be available very soon.  I should be finished building it later today or tomorrow, and then I have to build the product description and calculate usage patterns, etc.

The 6G build process is MUCH faster, but I am planning to do no more than 2 to 3 titles a month because I need to spend time learning a new DAW, and I need to start working more rest time into my work flow.  Burning out is not how to accomplish things.

Please remember, however, that developing a script from scratch, or developing a new script addition, is no faster than before.  So with new stuff, or stuff that has to be completely re-worked (AM7, BASE, etc.) it will not be quick.

I get what you mean on the complexity of something like OGSF. Sorry you had to state that, because I was originally going to add into my comment that due to the sensitivity of GSF removal, it makes sense you'd want to "tread lightly" as one progresses to not overwhelm. So truthfully, it made some logical sense to me why OGSF had a lower time. I suspect EPHRA, perhaps OF, will also reflect such smaller times, compared to the majority.

That is mind blowing, @Shannon...I'm so used to "sometime this month"...meaning late in the month etc. This new build is shocking with the speed of implementation. My god. Wow. So next week it will be accessible?...That's jaw dropping, haha. Wow.

I understand the difference to a "from scratch" sub, for sure. It's come in handy that X4A-1511 was already an "advanced" platform to build on to top it up to 6G then.

This is absolutely fantastic news! I can't wait to use 6G next week then...this is amazing, Shannon. Thank you so much! I can't wait to fire it up and experience 6G at last! It's been a jaunt to get here, from my first listen to ASC 5G to convince me this was the place to be for me, many many moons ago now...