Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8

[Shannon]

Can someone please tell me what's going on maybe I'm out of the loop.
 Ive been waiting for a reply on my thread for over a month.

My apologies.  Please link me to your post.

[Shannon]

@Shannon You got this Shannon!

Thank you.  It's been absolutely brutal, but the good news is, I think it was more brutal than it had to be because I wasn't listening to enough time per day on.  Of course I had to start off with less time in case something went wrong, but since I increased the amount of time, things are definitely smoother and easier, and it's working better, too.  I feel like motivation is coming back and I can work again.

Currently working on upgrading and optimizing Hormone Optimizer For Weight Loss.  This is gonna be good.

[ReconGunner]

@Shannon You got this Shannon!

Thank you.  It's been absolutely brutal, but the good news is, I think it was more brutal than it had to be because I wasn't listening to enough time per day on.  Of course I had to start off with less time in case something went wrong, but since I increased the amount of time, things are definitely smoother and easier, and it's working better, too.  I feel like motivation is coming back and I can work again.

Currently working on upgrading and optimizing Hormone Optimizer For Weight Loss.  This is gonna be good.

Thanks for hanging in, for your benefit and for ours. 

HOWL is high on my post-UMS wish list, so that is good news, too!

[ncbeareatingman]

HOWL is also HIGH on My list ,as well, post UMS3 usage, whenever that will be,as well as ,Anti-aging,Youthing.,too !!
Shannon,also, if there or would there be a discount of any sort, for those Us who purchased HOWL 5.9 and didnt get much result from it but used it accordingly?
I don't even know if that is a Fair question to ask here, but that is the case, for Me, I Know. Respectfully. Keith.

[Shannon]

It's been more than a little "interesting".



I'm working out what is what.  It would be really helpful if you would report on your experiences.  You have stopped providing feedback, but you're one of the very few "extreme" cases.



DMSI needs some questions answered before I can build it, and I am not able to answer those questions right now.  I'm working on it.

Hello @Shannon,



I apologise for not reporting for a long time. I did not enjoy a lot of the "spirited discussions" (read: toxicity lol) that ensued on my journals in the past so steered WAY clear of that possibility. 



However, it seems my perspective can be helpful, so I will do a post now to speak on my experience thus far.







Regimen: Day 86 today. 3 loops per day on cycle, ultrasonic. I have had so many urges to increase the loops over time, especially since they're done so quickly now compared to before...but I've always fought myself about doing it due to this post:



https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid267088





I can co-sign a lot of the things mentioned in this post to be largely what I experience so far as well. "Exhaustion, feelings of insecurity, inadequacy, etc." as he says, all often present and accounted for. Not always, they kinda ebb and flow over time. It can often feel like you're two people, or multiple personalities, diametrically opposed to each other. I've experienced that with subs for a long time during periods, but this is my first 6G program. It seems to be a cut above thus far. Here is the reference post for this:



https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Bayas...#pid267112





I started getting some depressing, quite dark feelings etc. on off days in a bit more intense fashion than the usual fare somewhat early on. I over time cut the off days down to 2, based off this post to encourage me it was okay to do so. It helped me keep the forward momentum I suspect going forward. Largely, the off days haven't been like that since.



https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Papag...#pid267406





Also experienced a lot of anxiety and dread in like mini-spikes for hours or a day or so over time which were disruptive, for sure. Similar to this post. Shannon's reply to it was appreciated.



https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-OSC-6...#pid267545





If we could please get more information on the specifics of these kinds of resistance points, I'd be so deeply grateful. This post obviously spoke to me. Also, I'd like to know if this is determined to be the "high end worst case scenario" for the sub.



https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid268348





Socially, I see elements of what this person describes. How things seem to be better and vibe well etc. there's like a social lubricant effect going on. It's noticeable and potent often. I have not "hooked up" though (which isn't my goal anyway, random hookups etc.), but I can co-sign the other elements.



https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid267196





Truthfully, for the time being, I don't know for SURE if I've become more "sexually arousing" to females I interact with. It's possible, but without women being quite extreme and forward, I wouldn't know for sure. That's a problem between the genders long before this program became invented, to be honest. I see elements of the stuff I listed above, but for me, "sexually arousing" seems to be thought of to me as like "boy band" reactions with girls or the "axe effect", lmao. This "subtle" nature with women makes it hard to know what exactly is going on in their heads. But I can report that the social elements described seem to be occurring with many people, guys and girls. Many girls have been attractive to me that I interact with at events, but I've really only been "serious" intent about one in particular. I look at the sales page, and can check off these with the main particular female I have been interested in and getting data from interactions with her:



'They begin giving you attention, or more attention than usual.

They may suddenly find reasons to be near you, and may repeat this behavior as much as possible.

They start making prolonged and/or direct eye contact (staring).

Fidgeting a lot, becoming nervous.

Creating opportunities and excuses to be physically close to you.

Initiating conversation with you.

You may see them begin subtlety (or not-so-subtly) showing off whatever they believe are their best sexual assets, trying to get you interested."



Now, there were complications in the past, over a year ago, resulting in awkwardness and a lot of pain if I'm honest on my end, etc. but since then these signals have appeared from 1511 usage and nowadays 1600 usage. But I have been inhibited due to wanting to be consistent to a talk from long ago. But still, regardless, no sexual activity or attempts to ask me on a date at this point etc. So make of it what you will, in the end.

 

 

This is the big one, the reason why I decided to post mainly now. I had written about this and wrestled intensely with this for about two weeks now, and only this week, is the storm seemingly going away. Again. My experience has largely mirrored the two posts referenced below, shockingly. Basically, my experience has been ebbs and flows, feeling good or "okay/normal", then poof, darkness/dread/anxiety/inability to sleep properly/negative thoughts about myself and women and if this will ever work etc. However, with this BIG event, it's been far more intense. Shannon's first post about this I screenshotted awhile back as I have a big folder on my PC of lots of relevant screenshots for reviewing during the program. Thankfully I did that, as I've kept it as validation that I wasn't going insane or anything, haha. Basically, with this, I went through the normal described ebb and flow period above, then BOOM...deep decline in mental state, very dark, intense exhaustion, stayed away from everyone and was too exhausted and felt so awful I didn't want to go out or deal with anyone, this vague dread or melancholy kinda, very deep and intense in a way where I couldn't even really understand consciously what EXACTLY is causing it. I suspected it could possibly be the sub, naturally. Also, an anniversary of a very tragic event was somewhat recent, also I tend to go through depressive periods due to my issues with women at times too semi-regularly. But this seemed either different, or a combination of the factors, I don't know.



It was like normal ebb and flow described above>steep decline into dark pit for about 5 days>stable for about a 12-24 hour period>even steeper decline into similar pit for also about 5 days again>now...thankfully...for 2-3 days...I SEEM to be coming out of this...maybe...?...I don't know. I thought I was clear the first time, I didn't expect the second drop, to be honest. I don't even know if I'm truly coming out of this new deeper pit, or if there will be another one. Who knows. I also sadly don't know what this has been all about. I'm envious of Shannon for somehow knowing what was his cause, if that turns out to be the case. It'd be fascinating to know what it is, the "face of the enemy" so to speak. The thing that perhaps has caused so much pain and damage to a person, whatever it may be. There may be more than one for people, of course. But it'd be fascinating to know what they are. I guess some are more sensitive or perceptive than others, which I freely admit is possible.



It may be worth trying to fix the key script for 1600 and I could try it. I'd be willing to do that or pay a fee for such a thing if I have to I guess. Given the fact my experience is so similar, it MUST mean things are on the right track?



Reference posts for this part:

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid267933

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid268466

 

 

I apologise for probably taking up a whole page of the journal for all of this. It felt like the least I can do given the lack of reporting for some time and being requested to post by you, Shannon. With your recent posts about this like "Lvl Over 9000 Resistance BROOOOO!!!!11!!1!!!", and my experience possibly echoing it, I thought it was necessary to reach out. I was humbled you referenced me, it's been a long journey and I firmly believe from day one you and IML could help me change my life. Here we are, friend. 



Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel for both of us, after all. 



I wish everyone the change in their lives they strive for.

Thank you for the feedback.  My apologies for the long delay in responding.

You keep talking about fixing the script, but the script isn't the issue in this case.  The script of 1600 doesn't need "fixing".  For you, it needs at least for you to work your way through resistance, though.  You keep trying to blame the programs for your resistance to execution.  6G is clearly working you through major resistance, which means it has to finish that before the rest of the script can fully execute.  By the sounds of it, you're still executing to at least some degree.  That's actually quite impressive.

I've found a way through the resistance faster and more easily, and I'm using this knowledge to make things easier for those of my customers who encounter this challenge.  

In the mean time, for you specifically, have you been using the program according to the instructions, and if not, how have you used it differently?  I think I can guide you to an easier experience now.

[Shannon]

Recently I finished a 4 months run of Money Magnet 5.11G, overall I am satisfied with the experience.
During bloom after MM I experienced heavy resistance. I am reporting because I also encountered heavy resistance during the bloom of E6.
This time on day 9 after the last MM exposure, I had the worst constipation I can remember. I am attributing this to resistance because I ate nothing unusual and had dreams about engaging and overcoming my fears the night before.
After 13 days of bloom I started OGSF 6G.

So that tells me that MM dominated, but when you stopped running it, the underlying resistance was able to return.  That means we need to upgrade MM to 6G, which won't be too far out.

How has OGSF gone for you?

[Shannon]

Things have gotten pretty scrambled in my life for the last few months, and this seems to be as a result of both external influences and the effects of the internal resistance experiment.  I don't have a queue right now.  I have to pull myself together and finish Stage 4 UMS and publish one of the programs we've been testing in the background.

EHPRA won't be far off, though.

Awesome! As long as nothing changes, EPHRA is my next buy when it comes out. The way OGSF3 is going for me just wants me to keep cycling these two for awhile to get my basics handled.

By the way, if I were to want to rerun OGSF3 after I finish my current OGSF3 run, how long of a break should I take? Do you think I’d be better off running something else to refresh my brain before going back to it? If the diminishing returns of back to back runs are high enough I’d rather run something else in between.

I suggest that in the future, you only take a break from OGSF every three months, and only for a week or two.  It's balanced on the knife's edge for what it's doing, and that means it can take considerable time to accomplish what it's doing.

[Shannon]

I swear to goodness, to all that is holy, good and true, to Yogi Bear & Boo Boo, Shannon,that if you could+ would make a powerful 6G sub called
"' Supreme Love".  'er somethin'to that effect!
It would be threefold
It would connect the user to God/Life/Universe/Source/Spirit/Tun'kash-ela
1)That is Connect with Infinite Love
2)Deep profound Love for the Self without becoming an egotistical bastard
3- Healing love that goes out  in a radius of 45 feet wherever you are, and is a healing light filled love that helps others heal, have hope again,be inspired by such love ?. Healing for the sender and everyone else involved. Oh & w/o  the sender becoming totally drained from it, ex:Say in a restaurant, library's or coffee house,public stuff.

How profound that would be,Man. Honestly.
What say you?
Maybe a a new version of Aura of Love in 6G, could contain some of this , as well ?
Just thinking about all of this on a full moon night. Thought I'd bring it up & run it by you. Keith

I have plans for another version of Aura of Love in 6G, but I haven't yet assessed what the best approach is.  I'll have to wait until I can focus on that title.  I do appreciate your ideas.

[Shannon]

Hi Shannon,
I have just had a cochlear implant put in recently, my phone is connected to my hearing device, i know you prefer it go by speakers when listening but could i listen to the subliminals going directly into my ear. 
Its not really going directly into my ear like a hearing aid as the hearing device sits on top and sounds are converted into electrical signals.

Would it not be good if goes directly into my ear instead of speakers or would you suggest try not to do it that way and only use speakers on phone?

Thanks
Josh.

I unfortunately do not have enough information to guide you on this.  I suggest that experimentation is the best way forward.  First try it as close to the instructions as possible.  Then try it another way.  But make sure that you're not using it at a volume that might negatively affect whatever hearing you have right now.

[Shannon]

How many Stages will, AM7 Be, Shannon? Haven't decided yet or same as before? Thanks. Keith.

I don't know yet.  I'm trying to reduce it as much as possible, but I haven't gotten far enough to know solidly at this time yet.

[Darkness]

@Shannon

For AM7, don’t reduce the number of stages.
If anything, if it was more like 9 or so for it to work through thoroughly, it would be better .
AM7 is too important in its goal, the growth it provides should be given all the time & deserved dedication.

[Catman]

Hello @Shannon,



I apologise for not reporting for a long time. I did not enjoy a lot of the "spirited discussions" (read: toxicity lol) that ensued on my journals in the past so steered WAY clear of that possibility. 



However, it seems my perspective can be helpful, so I will do a post now to speak on my experience thus far.







Regimen: Day 86 today. 3 loops per day on cycle, ultrasonic. I have had so many urges to increase the loops over time, especially since they're done so quickly now compared to before...but I've always fought myself about doing it due to this post:



https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid267088





I can co-sign a lot of the things mentioned in this post to be largely what I experience so far as well. "Exhaustion, feelings of insecurity, inadequacy, etc." as he says, all often present and accounted for. Not always, they kinda ebb and flow over time. It can often feel like you're two people, or multiple personalities, diametrically opposed to each other. I've experienced that with subs for a long time during periods, but this is my first 6G program. It seems to be a cut above thus far. Here is the reference post for this:



https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Bayas...#pid267112





I started getting some depressing, quite dark feelings etc. on off days in a bit more intense fashion than the usual fare somewhat early on. I over time cut the off days down to 2, based off this post to encourage me it was okay to do so. It helped me keep the forward momentum I suspect going forward. Largely, the off days haven't been like that since.



https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Papag...#pid267406





Also experienced a lot of anxiety and dread in like mini-spikes for hours or a day or so over time which were disruptive, for sure. Similar to this post. Shannon's reply to it was appreciated.



https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-OSC-6...#pid267545





If we could please get more information on the specifics of these kinds of resistance points, I'd be so deeply grateful. This post obviously spoke to me. Also, I'd like to know if this is determined to be the "high end worst case scenario" for the sub.



https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid268348





Socially, I see elements of what this person describes. How things seem to be better and vibe well etc. there's like a social lubricant effect going on. It's noticeable and potent often. I have not "hooked up" though (which isn't my goal anyway, random hookups etc.), but I can co-sign the other elements.



https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid267196





Truthfully, for the time being, I don't know for SURE if I've become more "sexually arousing" to females I interact with. It's possible, but without women being quite extreme and forward, I wouldn't know for sure. That's a problem between the genders long before this program became invented, to be honest. I see elements of the stuff I listed above, but for me, "sexually arousing" seems to be thought of to me as like "boy band" reactions with girls or the "axe effect", lmao. This "subtle" nature with women makes it hard to know what exactly is going on in their heads. But I can report that the social elements described seem to be occurring with many people, guys and girls. Many girls have been attractive to me that I interact with at events, but I've really only been "serious" intent about one in particular. I look at the sales page, and can check off these with the main particular female I have been interested in and getting data from interactions with her:



'They begin giving you attention, or more attention than usual.

They may suddenly find reasons to be near you, and may repeat this behavior as much as possible.

They start making prolonged and/or direct eye contact (staring).

Fidgeting a lot, becoming nervous.

Creating opportunities and excuses to be physically close to you.

Initiating conversation with you.

You may see them begin subtlety (or not-so-subtly) showing off whatever they believe are their best sexual assets, trying to get you interested."



Now, there were complications in the past, over a year ago, resulting in awkwardness and a lot of pain if I'm honest on my end, etc. but since then these signals have appeared from 1511 usage and nowadays 1600 usage. But I have been inhibited due to wanting to be consistent to a talk from long ago. But still, regardless, no sexual activity or attempts to ask me on a date at this point etc. So make of it what you will, in the end.

 

 

This is the big one, the reason why I decided to post mainly now. I had written about this and wrestled intensely with this for about two weeks now, and only this week, is the storm seemingly going away. Again. My experience has largely mirrored the two posts referenced below, shockingly. Basically, my experience has been ebbs and flows, feeling good or "okay/normal", then poof, darkness/dread/anxiety/inability to sleep properly/negative thoughts about myself and women and if this will ever work etc. However, with this BIG event, it's been far more intense. Shannon's first post about this I screenshotted awhile back as I have a big folder on my PC of lots of relevant screenshots for reviewing during the program. Thankfully I did that, as I've kept it as validation that I wasn't going insane or anything, haha. Basically, with this, I went through the normal described ebb and flow period above, then BOOM...deep decline in mental state, very dark, intense exhaustion, stayed away from everyone and was too exhausted and felt so awful I didn't want to go out or deal with anyone, this vague dread or melancholy kinda, very deep and intense in a way where I couldn't even really understand consciously what EXACTLY is causing it. I suspected it could possibly be the sub, naturally. Also, an anniversary of a very tragic event was somewhat recent, also I tend to go through depressive periods due to my issues with women at times too semi-regularly. But this seemed either different, or a combination of the factors, I don't know.



It was like normal ebb and flow described above>steep decline into dark pit for about 5 days>stable for about a 12-24 hour period>even steeper decline into similar pit for also about 5 days again>now...thankfully...for 2-3 days...I SEEM to be coming out of this...maybe...?...I don't know. I thought I was clear the first time, I didn't expect the second drop, to be honest. I don't even know if I'm truly coming out of this new deeper pit, or if there will be another one. Who knows. I also sadly don't know what this has been all about. I'm envious of Shannon for somehow knowing what was his cause, if that turns out to be the case. It'd be fascinating to know what it is, the "face of the enemy" so to speak. The thing that perhaps has caused so much pain and damage to a person, whatever it may be. There may be more than one for people, of course. But it'd be fascinating to know what they are. I guess some are more sensitive or perceptive than others, which I freely admit is possible.



It may be worth trying to fix the key script for 1600 and I could try it. I'd be willing to do that or pay a fee for such a thing if I have to I guess. Given the fact my experience is so similar, it MUST mean things are on the right track?



Reference posts for this part:

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid267933

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid268466

 

 

I apologise for probably taking up a whole page of the journal for all of this. It felt like the least I can do given the lack of reporting for some time and being requested to post by you, Shannon. With your recent posts about this like "Lvl Over 9000 Resistance BROOOOO!!!!11!!1!!!", and my experience possibly echoing it, I thought it was necessary to reach out. I was humbled you referenced me, it's been a long journey and I firmly believe from day one you and IML could help me change my life. Here we are, friend. 



Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel for both of us, after all. 



I wish everyone the change in their lives they strive for.

Thank you for the feedback.  My apologies for the long delay in responding.

You keep talking about fixing the script, but the script isn't the issue in this case.  The script of 1600 doesn't need "fixing".  For you, it needs at least for you to work your way through resistance, though.  You keep trying to blame the programs for your resistance to execution.  6G is clearly working you through major resistance, which means it has to finish that before the rest of the script can fully execute.  By the sounds of it, you're still executing to at least some degree.  That's actually quite impressive.

I've found a way through the resistance faster and more easily, and I'm using this knowledge to make things easier for those of my customers who encounter this challenge.  

In the mean time, for you specifically, have you been using the program according to the instructions, and if not, how have you used it differently?  I think I can guide you to an easier experience now.

Hello @Shannon. Thanks very much for the reply. I assumed you didn't see it and knew you were dealing with intense stuff, so I just left it be. I didn't want to push, I fully understand this resistance experience...believe me...we've echoed each other here on it, it seems...

That said this may be a misunderstanding, I merely mentioned something you said about how you found a way to improve the programs. Two references occurred in the past while, with different "improvements" you've theorised. 

One was something you mentioned to improve things. I followed up, it turned out to be an audio change in the end. 

Next, you mentioned the "key script" being improved in the future, which I was also open-minded to try, to get the best execution for myself possible. Especially since the issues you've reported have mirrored my experience often, as I wrote previously in the post you replied to. 

Those are the things I talked about, that you previously mentioned, the two improvements.

That said, I have been religiously following the comment in this link that I referenced in my post up to the last few days: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid267088

IE. 3 loops of ultrasonic for over 100+ days now. Twice I have dabbled with hybrid instead to experiment for the last few days, I may try it for a bit to see what happens longer-term. It may be doing something above and beyond to push through this phenomenon we seem to be both experiencing, but admittedly too early to tell yet.

I hope your storm is clearing now on your end. I thought mine was...when I wrote that awhile ago now...but it had more life in it yet, it turned out. Now, I think it's abating...but maybe it's another eye of the hurricane, if you will. There may be more "layers" as you say. Time will tell!