Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8

[Shannon]

I'm living with my wife and a newborn kid, and I'm working from home. The instructions say to never expose anyone under 18 yo, and for some programs also to never expose females. For most programs, either I don't want to expose her or she doesn't want to be exposed. (I might try to convince her of OGSF but that another story...)

A 6G program with DRS is about 2h 20min of continous play time.

How am I supposed to get that much "me time" alone every day to listen to the US track(s)? And where, would I just take the car and start driving around?

And it'd get even more impossible when travelling, staying at relatives or in hotels abroad.

What I can do is simply put on my headphones / plugs and listen away when I go to sleep (usually next to my wife). Then I can also have the program processing at night. I also like the noise and sound isolation for sleeping.

There also my aversion to the US track. 10 years ago I used to hear it loudly at get tinnitus from it. Now I don't hear it at all and its not easy to believe I'd still be able to process the messaging in it. I actually tested listening to OSC's US track for 3 nights last week (in a separate room at 3AM) but I switched back because I felt like I was losing results. Could've been only my perception, hard to tell. I am planning to try again it when switch to OGSF next as its only 10 minutes, low volume, and its usually easy to notice the new effects when switching to a new program. If I don't notice anything after 1 full cycle of US, I'll likely switch back to headphones.

I am expecting a lot of people who started off having trouble with ultrasonic to stop having that trouble in 6G because I currently am of the belief that in a lot of cases, it's not the ultrasonic itself that's the issue, it's the type of resistance to the program that is trying to make the ultrasonic uncomfortable so you'll stop using it. 6G should be able to get past that resistance pretty quickly in most cases.

OSC cannot be used for just 3 nights and you get great results.  In some cases, you will end up going through waves of response that may look like lessening results, when what's actually happening is that you're doing internal work that needs to be done before you can see external results.

The first week on OSC for me, the first four days went from Okay to bad to worse to I was losing it by the 4th day, and then whatever was being worked on was broken through and I was fine after that.  Different people respond differently according to their age, personality type, specific blockages, etc.  The response is what works for you to work through the instructions and the issues.  Sometimes that is internal, and it looks like nothing is happening.  You need to keep going.

As to when you use the programs, I'm not sure what to tell you, but I can tell you that it's very easy to overvolume or undervolume ultrasonic on headphones and it's very hard to figure out an accurate volume for headphones because some of them introduce a 2nd, even 3rd and 4th volume adjustment.  So using headphones is going to require you to be extremely careful and find the right volume, because I can't simply calculate that for you and be sure it's accurate.

[dragonslayer]

Hi @Shannon , I hope all's well.

I've been running LTUV6 and am now at Stage 7, 2nd of 4 cycles.

I have been resisting. 

For example, a few days ago, I was rationalizing that I could switch to UMSV2 because I am incapable of paying my creditors due to being on a Medical Leave of Absence from my day job.

My rationalization was that Stage 7 is all of Stages 1 to 6, and I've done the steps toward Stage 7.

But I remembered your article on How to Spot Resistance, which mentions wanting to switch subs.

So I didn't switch.

But then I thought since the reason why I can't finish this copywriting/marketing course, move on to other trainings, and start getting clients is because I don't have the confidence, believe that it's possible, I'm incapable, and undeserving and irresponsible, therefore, I will switch to OSC 6G.

But I recognized switching to OSC 6G, when I'm not done LTUV6 Stage 7, is resistance too.

I started searching for your posts that mention "execute", "executing", and "execute the script".

There was one where you replied to someone's claim of lack of success with DMSI due to his limiting beliefs.

So I substituted "DMSI" with "LTUV6" and started listing down my limiting beliefs, which boils down to:

1. I am afraid of succeeding in copywriting/marketing because I'm afraid I will not have time to spend with my girlfriend and I don't want to lose her even though we've been drifting apart. 

Another limiting belief is that since she has been the only woman who ever truly loved me and is my longest relationship, therefore, I will never find another woman who will love me.

2. I can't succeed in copywriting/marketing because of my OCD, ADHD, Anxiety, and Depression, which I'm getting treatment and medication for. 

And also due to my Victim Mentality, I get the benefits of being off from my day job and sympathy from others.

I started seeing my Victim Mentality after reading your posts on taking full responsibility for one's subconscious' choices, consequences, successes and failures https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Mysti...#pid156043

Let's think. 

One script.

However many of you.

Many different responses.

What is the reason for the different responses?

We know it can't be the program because that is uniform and unchanging between everyone.

What differs, then, and gives us an option for why we get different results is that between point A and point C, we have the processing of the program, point B.

It is in the processing, then, that we have our differences, and this difference comes from differences from user to user.

You're using the same script Chaos is.  You're using the same script I was.  And CatMan, and all the rest.

The difference in results comes from how you respond to the script.  Your response leads to your choice of actions with regards to the script.  Your choice of actions with regards to the script leads to your results with regards to the program.

Those who are getting good results from the same program you are using are doing so because they're cooperating.  Those who are getting poor results from the same program that is giving those others good results... not cooperating.

Now my job is to figure out how to get you guys to all cooperate.  But ultimately, cooperating or not is your choice, and your responsibility. 

You can't run out onto a soccer field and refuse to kick the ball and then get mad at Coach for telling you that the game is played and won by kicking the ball and fully cooperating with your team.

So while I figure out how to make the script more successful in getting you guys to cooperate subconsciously, the best thing you guys can do is take full responsibility for not cooperating, and the results that gets you.  Once you can't sit on your ass and blame someone else for you choices and their results, you might have motivation to get off your subconscious ass and make the results happen.

That's how this works.  You either cooperate or you don't.  You either execute the script or you don't.  And you have to make that choice.  YOU make that choice, and that choice is YOUR responsibility. 

With any luck, I'll figure out how to word the script to get you to do that automatically.  Until then, we're back to...

Did you choose to cooperate?  And if not... who is responsible for your choices?

Try telling a judge that you drove drunk because your choices are not your responsibility.  See how far that gets you.

Prior to your older posts, I was thinking that my subconscious is a separate entity, therefore, I'm not responsible for it.

And blaming it for its lack of execution due to fear.

But you said that your subconscious is a part of YOU. Your subconscious is YOU.

Therefore, YOU are not executing.

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid196114

And that your subconscious executes the script because it has accepted the script as being true here in this post: 
https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-How-d...#pid166678

executing the script happens as a natural result of accepting the script instead of rejecting it, and by accepting it, your subconscious naturally integrates it into your current "operating system" according to a ranking system, which (according to my Snowdrift Theory) essentially weights it's validity and integration by the number of repetitions, or the emotional impact it has and how important it is to your safety and survival.  High repetitions = more, impact, high emotional charge = more impact.  You don't touch a hot stove twice for example unless either you can't feel it, or you are not learning very quickly.

Executing a subliminal script is the natural result of accepting it, and accepting it is the natural result of how much it meshes with your currently accepted beliefs, and how much your personality and thinking style accepts or resists change.  And, how much you listen to it, and how much emotional or survival impact it is associated with.

I'm just trying to understand correctly what you said. 

Is this statement correct?: Accepting the script as being true CAUSES Acting (Executing) on what I (subconscious) believe as if it (script) is true.

Is the "accepting" only "subconsciously accepting" or is it also "consciously accepting"?

If it also involves consciously accepting, would consciously repeating to myself, "I believe the script is true. I accept and execute the script" help me to execute?

Or should I just consciously act as if the LTUV6 script is true while taking action and self-correcting to achieve my goals?

Can you please explain the "high emotional charge = more impact", "how much emotional or survival impact it is associated with"?

Would listing down reasons if I don't execute, then X will happen, Y will not happen work as high emotional charge? For example, if I don't execute, then creditors having collection agencies calling me will happen, being stress-free will not happen.

And if I do execute, then A will happen, B will not happen. For example, if I do execute, then becoming a copywriter/marketer will happen, and going back to my old job will not happen.

Also, when I am trying to get my conscious and subconscious to co-operate together, when I am "consciously" being aware of my subconscious to address it, would it better to address one's subconscious as "you" or "I" or "we/us"?

Sorry for the long post. I am very over-analytical.

[4Kingdoms]

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid267537

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[LionKing]

I'm living with my wife and a newborn kid, and I'm working from home. The instructions say to never expose anyone under 18 yo, and for some programs also to never expose females. For most programs, either I don't want to expose her or she doesn't want to be exposed. (I might try to convince her of OGSF but that another story...)

A 6G program with DRS is about 2h 20min of continous play time.

How am I supposed to get that much "me time" alone every day to listen to the US track(s)? And where, would I just take the car and start driving around?

And it'd get even more impossible when travelling, staying at relatives or in hotels abroad.

What I can do is simply put on my headphones / plugs and listen away when I go to sleep (usually next to my wife). Then I can also have the program processing at night. I also like the noise and sound isolation for sleeping.

There also my aversion to the US track. 10 years ago I used to hear it loudly at get tinnitus from it. Now I don't hear it at all and its not easy to believe I'd still be able to process the messaging in it. I actually tested listening to OSC's US track for 3 nights last week (in a separate room at 3AM) but I switched back because I felt like I was losing results. Could've been only my perception, hard to tell. I am planning to try again it when switch to OGSF next as its only 10 minutes, low volume, and its usually easy to notice the new effects when switching to a new program. If I don't notice anything after 1 full cycle of US, I'll likely switch back to headphones.

I am expecting a lot of people who started off having trouble with ultrasonic to stop having that trouble in 6G because I currently am of the belief that in a lot of cases, it's not the ultrasonic itself that's the issue, it's the type of resistance to the program that is trying to make the ultrasonic uncomfortable so you'll stop using it. 6G should be able to get past that resistance pretty quickly in most cases.

OSC cannot be used for just 3 nights and you get great results.  In some cases, you will end up going through waves of response that may look like lessening results, when what's actually happening is that you're doing internal work that needs to be done before you can see external results.

The first week on OSC for me, the first four days went from Okay to bad to worse to I was losing it by the 4th day, and then whatever was being worked on was broken through and I was fine after that.  Different people respond differently according to their age, personality type, specific blockages, etc.  The response is what works for you to work through the instructions and the issues.  Sometimes that is internal, and it looks like nothing is happening.  You need to keep going.

As to when you use the programs, I'm not sure what to tell you, but I can tell you that it's very easy to overvolume or undervolume ultrasonic on headphones and it's very hard to figure out an accurate volume for headphones because some of them introduce a 2nd, even 3rd and 4th volume adjustment.  So using headphones is going to require you to be extremely careful and find the right volume, because I can't simply calculate that for you and be sure it's accurate.

Ok. Interesting point about US resistance.

6G seems like a blast and I'm quite happy to be running these subs! Just wanted to make the point that its not necessarily always simple to just play US from the phone's speakers. But I understand that you want to get people using the most efficient volume for each program.

I hope I'll find the US track working for me in a couple of weeks when I start OGSF.

[Shannon]

Hi @Shannon , I hope all's well.



I've been running LTUV6 and am now at Stage 7, 2nd of 4 cycles.



I have been resisting. 



For example, a few days ago, I was rationalizing that I could switch to UMSV2 because I am incapable of paying my creditors due to being on a Medical Leave of Absence from my day job.



My rationalization was that Stage 7 is all of Stages 1 to 6, and I've done the steps toward Stage 7.



But I remembered your article on How to Spot Resistance, which mentions wanting to switch subs.



So I didn't switch.



But then I thought since the reason why I can't finish this copywriting/marketing course, move on to other trainings, and start getting clients is because I don't have the confidence, believe that it's possible, I'm incapable, and undeserving and irresponsible, therefore, I will switch to OSC 6G.



But I recognized switching to OSC 6G, when I'm not done LTUV6 Stage 7, is resistance too.



I started searching for your posts that mention "execute", "executing", and "execute the script".



There was one where you replied to someone's claim of lack of success with DMSI due to his limiting beliefs.



So I substituted "DMSI" with "LTUV6" and started listing down my limiting beliefs, which boils down to:



1. I am afraid of succeeding in copywriting/marketing because I'm afraid I will not have time to spend with my girlfriend and I don't want to lose her even though we've been drifting apart. 



Another limiting belief is that since she has been the only woman who ever truly loved me and is my longest relationship, therefore, I will never find another woman who will love me.



2. I can't succeed in copywriting/marketing because of my OCD, ADHD, Anxiety, and Depression, which I'm getting treatment and medication for. 



And also due to my Victim Mentality, I get the benefits of being off from my day job and sympathy from others.



I started seeing my Victim Mentality after reading your posts on taking full responsibility for one's subconscious' choices, consequences, successes and failures https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Mysti...#pid156043

Let's think. 



One script.



However many of you.



Many different responses.



What is the reason for the different responses?



We know it can't be the program because that is uniform and unchanging between everyone.



What differs, then, and gives us an option for why we get different results is that between point A and point C, we have the processing of the program, point B.



It is in the processing, then, that we have our differences, and this difference comes from differences from user to user.



You're using the same script Chaos is.  You're using the same script I was.  And CatMan, and all the rest.



The difference in results comes from how you respond to the script.  Your response leads to your choice of actions with regards to the script.  Your choice of actions with regards to the script leads to your results with regards to the program.



Those who are getting good results from the same program you are using are doing so because they're cooperating.  Those who are getting poor results from the same program that is giving those others good results... not cooperating.



Now my job is to figure out how to get you guys to all cooperate.  But ultimately, cooperating or not is your choice, and your responsibility. 



You can't run out onto a soccer field and refuse to kick the ball and then get mad at Coach for telling you that the game is played and won by kicking the ball and fully cooperating with your team.



So while I figure out how to make the script more successful in getting you guys to cooperate subconsciously, the best thing you guys can do is take full responsibility for not cooperating, and the results that gets you.  Once you can't sit on your ass and blame someone else for you choices and their results, you might have motivation to get off your subconscious ass and make the results happen.



That's how this works.  You either cooperate or you don't.  You either execute the script or you don't.  And you have to make that choice.  YOU make that choice, and that choice is YOUR responsibility. 



With any luck, I'll figure out how to word the script to get you to do that automatically.  Until then, we're back to...



Did you choose to cooperate?  And if not... who is responsible for your choices?



Try telling a judge that you drove drunk because your choices are not your responsibility.  See how far that gets you.

Prior to your older posts, I was thinking that my subconscious is a separate entity, therefore, I'm not responsible for it.



And blaming it for its lack of execution due to fear.



But you said that your subconscious is a part of YOU. Your subconscious is YOU.



Therefore, YOU are not executing.



https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid196114



And that your subconscious executes the script because it has accepted the script as being true here in this post: 

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-How-d...#pid166678

executing the script happens as a natural result of accepting the script instead of rejecting it, and by accepting it, your subconscious naturally integrates it into your current "operating system" according to a ranking system, which (according to my Snowdrift Theory) essentially weights it's validity and integration by the number of repetitions, or the emotional impact it has and how important it is to your safety and survival.  High repetitions = more, impact, high emotional charge = more impact.  You don't touch a hot stove twice for example unless either you can't feel it, or you are not learning very quickly.



Executing a subliminal script is the natural result of accepting it, and accepting it is the natural result of how much it meshes with your currently accepted beliefs, and how much your personality and thinking style accepts or resists change.  And, how much you listen to it, and how much emotional or survival impact it is associated with.

I'm just trying to understand correctly what you said. 



Is this statement correct?: Accepting the script as being true CAUSES Acting (Executing) on what I (subconscious) believe as if it (script) is true.



Is the "accepting" only "subconsciously accepting" or is it also "consciously accepting"?



If it also involves consciously accepting, would consciously repeating to myself, "I believe the script is true. I accept and execute the script" help me to execute?



Or should I just consciously act as if the LTUV6 script is true while taking action and self-correcting to achieve my goals?



Can you please explain the "high emotional charge = more impact", "how much emotional or survival impact it is associated with"?



Would listing down reasons if I don't execute, then X will happen, Y will not happen work as high emotional charge? For example, if I don't execute, then creditors having collection agencies calling me will happen, being stress-free will not happen.



And if I do execute, then A will happen, B will not happen. For example, if I do execute, then becoming a copywriter/marketer will happen, and going back to my old job will not happen.



Also, when I am trying to get my conscious and subconscious to co-operate together, when I am "consciously" being aware of my subconscious to address it, would it better to address one's subconscious as "you" or "I" or "we/us"?



Sorry for the long post. I am very over-analytical.

First, thank you for doing the research and trying to understand before asking for guidance.  We are happy to help, but I am only one person, and sometimes, I am the only one who knows the answer.

I will go down through on each point I see that needs comment.

The forum was started in 2010, and I have been answering posts on the forum for 15 years now.  How time flies.

During that time, my research, experiments, progress and scripting techniques have evolved and improved.  So has my knowledge and understanding.  Let me put a finer point on some of what I stated previously.

Your subconscious is commonly viewed as "something else", or "it", when really what it is is a conglomeration of past versions of you and also those parts of the awareness that have never been "consciously" aware.  It is all you.  The issue is figuring out how to get it to work with and cooperate with the subliminals.  That has largely been figured out since I wrote that.  It is still your responsibility, but I have found much better ways to gain cooperation from your subconscious parts.

Is this statement correct?: Accepting the script as being true CAUSES Acting (Executing) on what I (subconscious) believe as if it (script) is true.

This is what I previously believed to be the case.  Now I understand that the truth is more complex and nuanced than this.  The subconscious exists in layers and parts within those layers.  Some have different levels of awareness, different modes of communication, different types of awareness and different levels of balance between logic and emotion.  Some will believe whatever you tell them and start acting on it as true, which tends to make it true; and some will not.  Those parts that will not are usually the ones that are responding in ways that are not necessarily cooperative.  

The key is not necessarily of the script is accepted as being true by all layers and parts of your subconscious; it is also to a large degree whether they are willing to cooperate based on their perceptions, beliefs, understandings, motives and goals, regardless of their acceptance of the script or not.

The parts that accept the script as true will strongly tend to act as if it is true, and thus tend to bring it into existence by the resulting actions and the choices that result from belief that the script is true.

The parts that don't necessarily agree that it is true will need to be persuaded to agree to execute regardless of anything they may want to do otherwise, regardless of how much they want to do that other thing.  I learned a long time ago that trying to force execution isn't the way to do it.  You need to use persuasion.

Is the "accepting" only "subconsciously accepting" or is it also "consciously accepting"?

It's both, but not in an obvious manner.  The conscious mind cannot sense the subconscious (subliminal) script.  It only knows what the subconscious is trying to do.  In some cases, it will notice a shift in what is happening and may attempt to shut it down if the change is what it considers "undesirable" for whatever reason.  However, I have been able to get past that issue since 5.75G.

If it also involves consciously accepting, would consciously repeating to myself, "I believe the script is true. I accept and execute the script" help me to execute?

Only with very old scripts, 5.5G and earlier for the most part.  Later generations progressively solved this issue more and more.

Or should I just consciously act as if the LTUV6 script is true while taking action and self-correcting to achieve my goals?

Given the technology generation in which LTU was last made, that is a very good choice.

Can you please explain the "high emotional charge = more impact", "how much emotional or survival impact it is associated with"?

This would seem relatively self evident.  If (as an example) someone tells you they are going to kill you in a joking manner, there is very little perceived threat, and thus very little emotional charge and very little impact: you don't take it seriously.

If they say it in a threatening manner while giving you a deadly serious look, then you're going to have higher emotional charge because now they are sub-communicating the same thing in ways that make it more believable.  Now it is taken as more believable, and you start to have different emotional responses to it, including fear.  More emotional impact.

If that same person took you to ground and put a sharp knife to your throat while threateningly staring into your eyes and telling you in a murderous voice that they were going to cut your head off, then it's even more believable, has even more emotional effect, generates more belief that they are sincerely threatening your life and causes even more emotional response, including fear and possibly trauma.  More impact still.

Would listing down reasons if I don't execute, then X will happen, Y will not happen work as high emotional charge? For example, if I don't execute, then creditors having collection agencies calling me will happen, being stress-free will not happen.

And if I do execute, then A will happen, B will not happen. For example, if I do execute, then becoming a copywriter/marketer will happen, and going back to my old job will not happen.

The reasons for your resistance are emotional (fear) and originate from an irrational part of you.  Responding with logic is useless.  Those parts don't understand logic at all.  This is why smokers can logically know that smoking will kill them, and yet do it anyway, even while they are on oxygen and have advanced emphysema.

Also, when I am trying to get my conscious and subconscious to co-operate together, when I am "consciously" being aware of my subconscious to address it, would it better to address one's subconscious as "you" or "I" or "we/us"?

I find that I get the best results when I consider my subconscious a part of me that I acknowledge, and I refer to the whole as "we/us", or "you", depending on specifics.  For example, if I have a part of me that is resisting out of fear, I might say, "I know you're afraid, and I understand why, but we need to achieve this goal regardless, and that's what we're going to do."  That doesn't guarantee success, but it makes that part of you feel heard and understood and not marginalized or ignored, as calling that part of you "it" can do.  It does produce better results.

Sorry for the long post. I am very over-analytical.

It may not come to you as a surprise that being over analytical is usually an insecurity response to not having sufficient understanding to feel safe.

[kserenyi]

Will UMS 3.1 include a Fear Removal module with similar power to that in the new OGSF, or would you recommend running OGSF first, if fear was my biggest obstacle to success with earlier versions of UMS?

[Shannon]

Will UMS 3.1 include a Fear Removal module with similar power to that in the new OGSF, or would you recommend running OGSF first, if fear was my biggest obstacle to success with earlier versions of UMS?

UMS v3.1 will have FRM v6.1 active in it, just like OGSF does.

[ncbeareatingman]

" Less than 1 minute ago (This post was last modified: Less than 1 minute ago by Shannon.)
Just a quick update: I am in the process of editing the product description for the Ultimate Monetary Success v3.1 program, stage 1 and 4 stage set-at-once. At this pace I may or may not finish by tonight. Still have to calculate usage patterns after that.

Also, we have created a gift certificate for $2,500 which you can use to buy the set at once. However, please be aware that gift certificates are not refundable.


Coolness. Looking forward. "

[dragonslayer]

Hi @Shannon , I hope all's well.



I've been running LTUV6 and am now at Stage 7, 2nd of 4 cycles.



I have been resisting. 



For example, a few days ago, I was rationalizing that I could switch to UMSV2 because I am incapable of paying my creditors due to being on a Medical Leave of Absence from my day job.



My rationalization was that Stage 7 is all of Stages 1 to 6, and I've done the steps toward Stage 7.



But I remembered your article on How to Spot Resistance, which mentions wanting to switch subs.



So I didn't switch.



But then I thought since the reason why I can't finish this copywriting/marketing course, move on to other trainings, and start getting clients is because I don't have the confidence, believe that it's possible, I'm incapable, and undeserving and irresponsible, therefore, I will switch to OSC 6G.



But I recognized switching to OSC 6G, when I'm not done LTUV6 Stage 7, is resistance too.



I started searching for your posts that mention "execute", "executing", and "execute the script".



There was one where you replied to someone's claim of lack of success with DMSI due to his limiting beliefs.



So I substituted "DMSI" with "LTUV6" and started listing down my limiting beliefs, which boils down to:



1. I am afraid of succeeding in copywriting/marketing because I'm afraid I will not have time to spend with my girlfriend and I don't want to lose her even though we've been drifting apart. 



Another limiting belief is that since she has been the only woman who ever truly loved me and is my longest relationship, therefore, I will never find another woman who will love me.



2. I can't succeed in copywriting/marketing because of my OCD, ADHD, Anxiety, and Depression, which I'm getting treatment and medication for. 



And also due to my Victim Mentality, I get the benefits of being off from my day job and sympathy from others.



I started seeing my Victim Mentality after reading your posts on taking full responsibility for one's subconscious' choices, consequences, successes and failures https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Mysti...#pid156043






Prior to your older posts, I was thinking that my subconscious is a separate entity, therefore, I'm not responsible for it.



And blaming it for its lack of execution due to fear.



But you said that your subconscious is a part of YOU. Your subconscious is YOU.



Therefore, YOU are not executing.



https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid196114



And that your subconscious executes the script because it has accepted the script as being true here in this post: 

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-How-d...#pid166678






I'm just trying to understand correctly what you said. 



Is this statement correct?: Accepting the script as being true CAUSES Acting (Executing) on what I (subconscious) believe as if it (script) is true.



Is the "accepting" only "subconsciously accepting" or is it also "consciously accepting"?



If it also involves consciously accepting, would consciously repeating to myself, "I believe the script is true. I accept and execute the script" help me to execute?



Or should I just consciously act as if the LTUV6 script is true while taking action and self-correcting to achieve my goals?



Can you please explain the "high emotional charge = more impact", "how much emotional or survival impact it is associated with"?



Would listing down reasons if I don't execute, then X will happen, Y will not happen work as high emotional charge? For example, if I don't execute, then creditors having collection agencies calling me will happen, being stress-free will not happen.



And if I do execute, then A will happen, B will not happen. For example, if I do execute, then becoming a copywriter/marketer will happen, and going back to my old job will not happen.



Also, when I am trying to get my conscious and subconscious to co-operate together, when I am "consciously" being aware of my subconscious to address it, would it better to address one's subconscious as "you" or "I" or "we/us"?



Sorry for the long post. I am very over-analytical.

First, thank you for doing the research and trying to understand before asking for guidance.  We are happy to help, but I am only one person, and sometimes, I am the only one who knows the answer.

I will go down through on each point I see that needs comment.

The forum was started in 2010, and I have been answering posts on the forum for 15 years now.  How time flies.

During that time, my research, experiments, progress and scripting techniques have evolved and improved.  So has my knowledge and understanding.  Let me put a finer point on some of what I stated previously.

Your subconscious is commonly viewed as "something else", or "it", when really what it is is a conglomeration of past versions of you and also those parts of the awareness that have never been "consciously" aware.  It is all you.  The issue is figuring out how to get it to work with and cooperate with the subliminals.  That has largely been figured out since I wrote that.  It is still your responsibility, but I have found much better ways to gain cooperation from your subconscious parts.

Is this statement correct?: Accepting the script as being true CAUSES Acting (Executing) on what I (subconscious) believe as if it (script) is true.

This is what I previously believed to be the case.  Now I understand that the truth is more complex and nuanced than this.  The subconscious exists in layers and parts within those layers.  Some have different levels of awareness, different modes of communication, different types of awareness and different levels of balance between logic and emotion.  Some will believe whatever you tell them and start acting on it as true, which tends to make it true; and some will not.  Those parts that will not are usually the ones that are responding in ways that are not necessarily cooperative.  

The key is not necessarily of the script is accepted as being true by all layers and parts of your subconscious; it is also to a large degree whether they are willing to cooperate based on their perceptions, beliefs, understandings, motives and goals, regardless of their acceptance of the script or not.

The parts that accept the script as true will strongly tend to act as if it is true, and thus tend to bring it into existence by the resulting actions and the choices that result from belief that the script is true.

The parts that don't necessarily agree that it is true will need to be persuaded to agree to execute regardless of anything they may want to do otherwise, regardless of how much they want to do that other thing.  I learned a long time ago that trying to force execution isn't the way to do it.  You need to use persuasion.

Is the "accepting" only "subconsciously accepting" or is it also "consciously accepting"?

It's both, but not in an obvious manner.  The conscious mind cannot sense the subconscious (subliminal) script.  It only knows what the subconscious is trying to do.  In some cases, it will notice a shift in what is happening and may attempt to shut it down if the change is what it considers "undesirable" for whatever reason.  However, I have been able to get past that issue since 5.75G.

If it also involves consciously accepting, would consciously repeating to myself, "I believe the script is true. I accept and execute the script" help me to execute?

Only with very old scripts, 5.5G and earlier for the most part.  Later generations progressively solved this issue more and more.

Or should I just consciously act as if the LTUV6 script is true while taking action and self-correcting to achieve my goals?

Given the technology generation in which LTU was last made, that is a very good choice.

Can you please explain the "high emotional charge = more impact", "how much emotional or survival impact it is associated with"?

This would seem relatively self evident.  If (as an example) someone tells you they are going to kill you in a joking manner, there is very little perceived threat, and thus very little emotional charge and very little impact: you don't take it seriously.

If they say it in a threatening manner while giving you a deadly serious look, then you're going to have higher emotional charge because now they are sub-communicating the same thing in ways that make it more believable.  Now it is taken as more believable, and you start to have different emotional responses to it, including fear.  More emotional impact.

If that same person took you to ground and put a sharp knife to your throat while threateningly staring into your eyes and telling you in a murderous voice that they were going to cut your head off, then it's even more believable, has even more emotional effect, generates more belief that they are sincerely threatening your life and causes even more emotional response, including fear and possibly trauma.  More impact still.

Would listing down reasons if I don't execute, then X will happen, Y will not happen work as high emotional charge? For example, if I don't execute, then creditors having collection agencies calling me will happen, being stress-free will not happen.

And if I do execute, then A will happen, B will not happen. For example, if I do execute, then becoming a copywriter/marketer will happen, and going back to my old job will not happen.

The reasons for your resistance are emotional (fear) and originate from an irrational part of you.  Responding with logic is useless.  Those parts don't understand logic at all.  This is why smokers can logically know that smoking will kill them, and yet do it anyway, even while they are on oxygen and have advanced emphysema.

Also, when I am trying to get my conscious and subconscious to co-operate together, when I am "consciously" being aware of my subconscious to address it, would it better to address one's subconscious as "you" or "I" or "we/us"?

I find that I get the best results when I consider my subconscious a part of me that I acknowledge, and I refer to the whole as "we/us", or "you", depending on specifics.  For example, if I have a part of me that is resisting out of fear, I might say, "I know you're afraid, and I understand why, but we need to achieve this goal regardless, and that's what we're going to do."  That doesn't guarantee success, but it makes that part of you feel heard and understood and not marginalized or ignored, as calling that part of you "it" can do.  It does produce better results.

Sorry for the long post. I am very over-analytical.

It may not come to you as a surprise that being over analytical is usually an insecurity response to not having sufficient understanding to feel safe.

Hi @Shannon, thank you so much for taking the time to write detailed responses, which is one of the reasons why I try to research first if you have already answered my questions in older posts because I've seen you answer some of the same things over and over again.

And I know you're busy with your work and don't want to waste your valuable time.

You're the only product creator I have ever seen who answers his customers directly.

Other copywriters/marketers/content creators I've seen do a question and answer for perhaps one customer or two per week.

But you do it as best as you can with detail and as soon as you can.

I appreciate your help and the subs you've created. OFV2 was my first and favorite.

I've been applying what you said about addressing one's subconscious as a whole with "we/us" and "you" in some cases, and I feel more integrated.

I will purchase OGFS after my LTUV6 run.

[Shannon]

First, thank you for doing the research and trying to understand before asking for guidance.  We are happy to help, but I am only one person, and sometimes, I am the only one who knows the answer.

I will go down through on each point I see that needs comment.

The forum was started in 2010, and I have been answering posts on the forum for 15 years now.  How time flies.

During that time, my research, experiments, progress and scripting techniques have evolved and improved.  So has my knowledge and understanding.  Let me put a finer point on some of what I stated previously.

Your subconscious is commonly viewed as "something else", or "it", when really what it is is a conglomeration of past versions of you and also those parts of the awareness that have never been "consciously" aware.  It is all you.  The issue is figuring out how to get it to work with and cooperate with the subliminals.  That has largely been figured out since I wrote that.  It is still your responsibility, but I have found much better ways to gain cooperation from your subconscious parts.


This is what I previously believed to be the case.  Now I understand that the truth is more complex and nuanced than this.  The subconscious exists in layers and parts within those layers.  Some have different levels of awareness, different modes of communication, different types of awareness and different levels of balance between logic and emotion.  Some will believe whatever you tell them and start acting on it as true, which tends to make it true; and some will not.  Those parts that will not are usually the ones that are responding in ways that are not necessarily cooperative.  

The key is not necessarily of the script is accepted as being true by all layers and parts of your subconscious; it is also to a large degree whether they are willing to cooperate based on their perceptions, beliefs, understandings, motives and goals, regardless of their acceptance of the script or not.

The parts that accept the script as true will strongly tend to act as if it is true, and thus tend to bring it into existence by the resulting actions and the choices that result from belief that the script is true.

The parts that don't necessarily agree that it is true will need to be persuaded to agree to execute regardless of anything they may want to do otherwise, regardless of how much they want to do that other thing.  I learned a long time ago that trying to force execution isn't the way to do it.  You need to use persuasion.


It's both, but not in an obvious manner.  The conscious mind cannot sense the subconscious (subliminal) script.  It only knows what the subconscious is trying to do.  In some cases, it will notice a shift in what is happening and may attempt to shut it down if the change is what it considers "undesirable" for whatever reason.  However, I have been able to get past that issue since 5.75G.


Only with very old scripts, 5.5G and earlier for the most part.  Later generations progressively solved this issue more and more.



Given the technology generation in which LTU was last made, that is a very good choice.


This would seem relatively self evident.  If (as an example) someone tells you they are going to kill you in a joking manner, there is very little perceived threat, and thus very little emotional charge and very little impact: you don't take it seriously.

If they say it in a threatening manner while giving you a deadly serious look, then you're going to have higher emotional charge because now they are sub-communicating the same thing in ways that make it more believable.  Now it is taken as more believable, and you start to have different emotional responses to it, including fear.  More emotional impact.

If that same person took you to ground and put a sharp knife to your throat while threateningly staring into your eyes and telling you in a murderous voice that they were going to cut your head off, then it's even more believable, has even more emotional effect, generates more belief that they are sincerely threatening your life and causes even more emotional response, including fear and possibly trauma.  More impact still.


The reasons for your resistance are emotional (fear) and originate from an irrational part of you.  Responding with logic is useless.  Those parts don't understand logic at all.  This is why smokers can logically know that smoking will kill them, and yet do it anyway, even while they are on oxygen and have advanced emphysema.


I find that I get the best results when I consider my subconscious a part of me that I acknowledge, and I refer to the whole as "we/us", or "you", depending on specifics.  For example, if I have a part of me that is resisting out of fear, I might say, "I know you're afraid, and I understand why, but we need to achieve this goal regardless, and that's what we're going to do."  That doesn't guarantee success, but it makes that part of you feel heard and understood and not marginalized or ignored, as calling that part of you "it" can do.  It does produce better results.



It may not come to you as a surprise that being over analytical is usually an insecurity response to not having sufficient understanding to feel safe.

Hi @Shannon, thank you so much for taking the time to write detailed responses, which is one of the reasons why I try to research first if you have already answered my questions in older posts because I've seen you answer some of the same things over and over again.

And I know you're busy with your work and don't want to waste your valuable time.

You're the only product creator I have ever seen who answers his customers directly.

Other copywriters/marketers/content creators I've seen do a question and answer for perhaps one customer or two per week.

But you do it as best as you can with detail and as soon as you can.

I appreciate your help and the subs you've created. OFV2 was my first and favorite.

I've been applying what you said about addressing one's subconscious as a whole with "we/us" and "you" in some cases, and I feel more integrated.

I will purchase OGFS after my LTUV6 run.

I try to do what I can.  I believe that an educated customer is a good customer.  There will doubtless come a day when I have too many different businesses and too much on my plate to personally answer questions, but I will keep doing this as long as I can.  15 years and counting on here, and for 7 years before that on eBay.  

Very pleased that my programs are useful and helpful for you.  Thank you for your patronage.

[Frosted]

@dragonslayer OGSF3 is a great choice!


@Shannon I do appreciate the personal touch. Thanks for putting in 110% for us!

[ncbeareatingman]

@dragonslayer OGSF3 is a great choice!


@Shannon I do appreciate the personal touch. Thanks for putting in 110% for us!

Mr. Frosted has spoken !! I concur Sir !!

[kserenyi]

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid267537

UMS v3.1 Stage 1 is now uploading.

Please note that we will be publishing both Stage 1 by itself, and the entire set at once.  If you cannot afford the set at once, you have access to Stage 1.  If you want to subscribe, you will need to access the Stage 1 page to do that.  If you buy a copy of Stage 1 by itself, you will not be eligible for a refund simply because you later decide you want to buy the set at once.  You will have to choose your approach and live with it.

If you want to buy the set at once, you will gain access to each stage as it is finished.  Currently, only Stage 1 is finished and available for download.  However, buying the set at once will cost $100 less than buying each stage individually. ($2,500 for the set instead of $2,600 for the stages individually.) 

Buying the set at once will not give you access to subscribing.  You must subscribe through the individual stage pages.

So, I'm assuming we'll still be able to purchase each stage individually as they are released?  I'm sorry if I'm a little confused by the wording of this post.

[4Kingdoms]

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid267537

So, I'm assuming we'll still be able to purchase each stage individually as they are released?  I'm sorry if I'm a little confused by the wording of this post.

4  individual stages of UMS v3.1 - $650 per stage multiplied by 4 equals $2,600

If you purchase a set of 4 all at once, you pay $2,500 for the set of 4 and save $100

If you buy the set, you can access each stage as they are released.