Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8

[AbundanceCH]

That's a good point. One problem is that some people think they want all of what society and brainwashing is telling us that we should be to be a man, almost all of which is weakening us.. plus i've seen a huge, huge amount of so called 'masculinity coaches' spouting weak bs, especially the ones that talk about 'conscious relationships' 'conscious masculinity' and such.

I know you aren't on board with all that stuff, but I guess it is difficult to please the people who are looking for 'masculinity' from what they have been taught by societies bs. Personally I prefer all the traditional traits that are considered masculinity and actually are masculinity despite what we're told, as opposed to the new age crap.

I too don't want any of the new age masculinity crap because frankly that's what most of us already are or were..."modern males" (for those of us that worked to undo all the brainwashing and feminizing).  

I second this and I hope Shannon will clarify exactly what the sub will be about when the time comes.  I think there's a small disconnect in what Shannon/Benjamin and myself see as masculine.

Shannon seems to be more along the lines of focusing on stoicism/ascended alpha while Benjamin and I think alike and want the more traditional masculine idea.

While I do appreciate stoicism and my women have called me stoic and like that about me I really wish I was more traditionally masculine.  A lot more confidence, drive, focus, determination, competitiveness, more aggressiveness (in terms of being a go getter).  There's so much focus on being stoic for men now a days while they struggle with drive, purpose, passion. Most guys seem to be focusing on being stoic rather than the fundamental traditional masculine traits which have served them for thousands of years.

I see this all the time..most women I come across are now the men of the past.  They are super confident, go getters, driven, focused on their goals.