Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[Shannon]

The new description page is done, I believe he took it down because the pre order is over, and the new program is almost out. In the future he should keep the orders up but have the price (regular price) instead of removing the page completely, possibly preventing people from searching & buying it.

I don't know if it's on purpose or not, but the OFV3 page is down, so you're probably missing out on some orders.

It could mean that Shannon is writing the final description page which in turn would mean… that we are getting OF3 today!   

(I cannot start using it yet but I am vicariously excited for everyone else  )

I took it down to work on it and finish everything for publication.  Only this day has gone so far to hell that it's 4:13 PM and I am JUST NOW getting a chance to start working, and I'm pretty much either going to be wired as hell on caffeine to do this, or it's not getting done because I'm mentally and emotionally exhausted already.  This has been one hell of a bad da so far and this not getting done is definitely not making it better.

If after today I can't get it done, I'm probably just going to release it with instructions on how to figure it out for yourselves.  This is fucking ridiculous.

[CatMan]

This is fucking ridiculous.

Basically.

Look, how about we just skip the extra work for you, and added delay for us, and release it now with said instructions. Gets it over with.

We both know there will always be a portion of people who won't do the recommended loops anyway. So let's just get this out there and go with it with the instructions.

[Shannon]

This is fucking ridiculous.

Basically.

Look, how about we just skip the extra work for you, and added delay for us, and release it now with said instructions. Gets it over with.

We both know there will always be a portion of people who won't do the recommended loops anyway. So let's just get this out there and go with it with the instructions.

I couldn't do that even if I wanted to.  Ben hasn't linked it up yet because I wasn't finished.  I'll have him link it regardless, but it's going to take some time either way.  In the mean time, I'll keep trying, but at this point I suspect something or someone is trying to prevent me from releasing this, and I'm sick of the crap.

[DarthXedonias]

The new description page is done, I believe he took it down because the pre order is over, and the new program is almost out. In the future he should keep the orders up but have the price (regular price) instead of removing the page completely, possibly preventing people from searching & buying it.

I don't know if it's on purpose or not, but the OFV3 page is down, so you're probably missing out on some orders.

It could mean that Shannon is writing the final description page which in turn would mean… that we are getting OF3 today!   

(I cannot start using it yet but I am vicariously excited for everyone else  )

I took it down to work on it and finish everything for publication.  Only this day has gone so far to hell that it's 4:13 PM and I am JUST NOW getting a chance to start working, and I'm pretty much either going to be wired as hell on caffeine to do this, or it's not getting done because I'm mentally and emotionally exhausted already.  This has been one hell of a bad da so far and this not getting done is definitely not making it better.

If after today I can't get it done, I'm probably just going to release it with instructions on how to figure it out for yourselves.  This is fucking ridiculous.

Do you mean by the end of today if close to the end you might release it with just instructions on how to find it ourselves or if not by the end of today you will release it tomorrow? Just wanted clarification. 

Also, I will just say from my opinion I say go ahead and do it this way if it just keeps giving you trouble. The reason I say this is because I know for me and the posts I have read it seems like yeah for the general usage some people might follow it to the letter but I've noticed ever since you've put in that auto-config module more and more people are just doing what's feels right for them as far as usage anyway. So why not just let the auto-config instruct people to decide on the best course of action? Besides it seems more and more since the beginning of this year less and less people are resisting so maybe they are more likely to auto-config the usage especially if the new stuff you added is such a jump up in tech. 

Anyway, that's just my opinion. Don't know about anyone else. Seems like people will start experimenting, for better or worst, mostly anyway at this point like they've been doing for months.

[Aventus45]

This is fucking ridiculous.

Basically.

Look, how about we just skip the extra work for you, and added delay for us, and release it now with said instructions. Gets it over with.

We both know there will always be a portion of people who won't do the recommended loops anyway. So let's just get this out there and go with it with the instructions.

I couldn't do that even if I wanted to.  Ben hasn't linked it up yet because I wasn't finished.  I'll have him link it regardless, but it's going to take some time either way.  In the mean time, I'll keep trying, but at this point I suspect something or someone is trying to prevent me from releasing this, and I'm sick of the crap.

Would running DRS theoretically protect you from such influences?

[NOMAD]

...I'm probably just going to release it with instructions on how to figure it out for yourselves.  This is fucking ridiculous.

Don't wait. Link 'em up and let's do this.

[CatMan]

This is fucking ridiculous.

Basically.

Look, how about we just skip the extra work for you, and added delay for us, and release it now with said instructions. Gets it over with.

We both know there will always be a portion of people who won't do the recommended loops anyway. So let's just get this out there and go with it with the instructions.

I couldn't do that even if I wanted to.  Ben hasn't linked it up yet because I wasn't finished.  I'll have him link it regardless, but it's going to take some time either way.  In the mean time, I'll keep trying, but at this point I suspect something or someone is trying to prevent me from releasing this, and I'm sick of the crap.

These things happen. I believe it's a good thing, here's why...

I think I know what's wrong:

Since it's such a new program, such new technology, so far beyond AOL's level, the models can't even fully quantify what they're dealing with. Like asking a fish to compare a tricycle to a Ducati. So getting a reliable number isn't feasible. That's my view. I've had similar issues in business at times. Sounds like your models need to be built out a bit more to reflect the new potency. This is a very good sign of progress I believe. I bet that's the problem, Shannon. Try to relax, it's more indication of a large step forward here!

[Shannon]

This is fucking ridiculous.

Basically.

Look, how about we just skip the extra work for you, and added delay for us, and release it now with said instructions. Gets it over with.

We both know there will always be a portion of people who won't do the recommended loops anyway. So let's just get this out there and go with it with the instructions.

I couldn't do that even if I wanted to.  Ben hasn't linked it up yet because I wasn't finished.  I'll have him link it regardless, but it's going to take some time either way.  In the mean time, I'll keep trying, but at this point I suspect something or someone is trying to prevent me from releasing this, and I'm sick of the crap.

These things happen. I believe it's a good thing, here's why...

I think I know what's wrong:

Since it's such a new program, such new technology, so far beyond AOL's level, the models can't even fully quantify what they're dealing with. Like asking a fish to compare a tricycle to a Ducati. So getting a reliable number isn't feasible. That's my view. I've had similar issues in business at times. Sounds like your models need to be built out a bit more to reflect the new potency. This is a very good sign of progress I believe. I bet that's the problem, Shannon. Try to relax, it's more indication of a large step forward here!

I actually think the problem is slightly different.  I think it boils down to the following things:

1. Based on the models giving me answers that don't qualify as "unstable", but also don't qualify as "stable" - which I have never seen before in the 15+ years I have been using them - I suspect there is some sort of interference from my subconscious or someone or something else attempting to inject "noise" into and interrupt the answers to this sequence of questioning to delay or prevent the release.
2. This generation of tech is so far from what we had before that I have no idea what parameters are reasonable to even use to run through the models to find the best usage patterns.  I've had to do my best to make educated guesses on that.  I'm sure if the answers I got were wrong, we will figure it out through adjusting as necessary.

I'm just really tired of and frustrated with a lot of things right now that are slowing me down, holding me back, delaying progress, killing success, etc. and which are either out of my hands or happening for stupid reasons.

[CatMan]

This is fucking ridiculous.

Basically.

Look, how about we just skip the extra work for you, and added delay for us, and release it now with said instructions. Gets it over with.

We both know there will always be a portion of people who won't do the recommended loops anyway. So let's just get this out there and go with it with the instructions.

I couldn't do that even if I wanted to.  Ben hasn't linked it up yet because I wasn't finished.  I'll have him link it regardless, but it's going to take some time either way.  In the mean time, I'll keep trying, but at this point I suspect something or someone is trying to prevent me from releasing this, and I'm sick of the crap.

These things happen. I believe it's a good thing, here's why...

I think I know what's wrong:

Since it's such a new program, such new technology, so far beyond AOL's level, the models can't even fully quantify what they're dealing with. Like asking a fish to compare a tricycle to a Ducati. So getting a reliable number isn't feasible. That's my view. I've had similar issues in business at times. Sounds like your models need to be built out a bit more to reflect the new potency. This is a very good sign of progress I believe. I bet that's the problem, Shannon. Try to relax, it's more indication of a large step forward here!

I actually think the problem is slightly different.  I think it boils down to the following things:

1. Based on the models giving me answers that don't qualify as "unstable", but also don't qualify as "stable" - which I have never seen before in the 15+ years I have been using them - I suspect there is some sort of interference from my subconscious or someone or something else attempting to inject "noise" into and interrupt the answers to this sequence of questioning to delay or prevent the release.
2. This generation of tech is so far from what we had before that I have no idea what parameters are reasonable to even use to run through the models to find the best usage patterns.  I've had to do my best to make educated guesses on that.  I'm sure if the answers I got were wrong, we will figure it out through adjusting as necessary.

I'm just really tired of and frustrated with a lot of things right now that are slowing me down, holding me back, delaying progress, killing success, etc. and which are either out of my hands or happening for stupid reasons.

Sounds like we're on the same wavelength there with #2. Said differently, but seems the same idea.

So real-world testing will have to provide new modeling data for this gen, 5.75.7G at a minimum, in order to have a new "best practises" config for modeling going forward. Maybe that info will provide a platform going forward that is accurate for modeling, or maybe new info will have to be added at each new step. Who knows, I suppose it depends on just how big the steps remaining end up being. The bigger the steps individually are, the more of a chance for modeling to become unstable again. Which makes sense as it goes out of bounds and can't fill in gaps to make a prediction past a certain point.

Like I said, this is good news regardless. It means the programs have outgrown the old config for the models. Fantastic. That's evolution. We'll straighten out your models with new real-world data with this gen to fill in the gaps and get them accurate again. No problem. It's progress, it's very good news.

Don't stress, this is a positive! Ben will link us up in time, for now, you sit back and play with the dogs and gorge on your steak, lol . We'll get that new data for you.

[StridingStrider]

Awesome!!! Good work Shannon

[Shannon]

Basically.

Look, how about we just skip the extra work for you, and added delay for us, and release it now with said instructions. Gets it over with.

We both know there will always be a portion of people who won't do the recommended loops anyway. So let's just get this out there and go with it with the instructions.

I couldn't do that even if I wanted to.  Ben hasn't linked it up yet because I wasn't finished.  I'll have him link it regardless, but it's going to take some time either way.  In the mean time, I'll keep trying, but at this point I suspect something or someone is trying to prevent me from releasing this, and I'm sick of the crap.

These things happen. I believe it's a good thing, here's why...

I think I know what's wrong:

Since it's such a new program, such new technology, so far beyond AOL's level, the models can't even fully quantify what they're dealing with. Like asking a fish to compare a tricycle to a Ducati. So getting a reliable number isn't feasible. That's my view. I've had similar issues in business at times. Sounds like your models need to be built out a bit more to reflect the new potency. This is a very good sign of progress I believe. I bet that's the problem, Shannon. Try to relax, it's more indication of a large step forward here!

I actually think the problem is slightly different.  I think it boils down to the following things:

1. Based on the models giving me answers that don't qualify as "unstable", but also don't qualify as "stable" - which I have never seen before in the 15+ years I have been using them - I suspect there is some sort of interference from my subconscious or someone or something else attempting to inject "noise" into and interrupt the answers to this sequence of questioning to delay or prevent the release.
2. This generation of tech is so far from what we had before that I have no idea what parameters are reasonable to even use to run through the models to find the best usage patterns.  I've had to do my best to make educated guesses on that.  I'm sure if the answers I got were wrong, we will figure it out through adjusting as necessary.

I'm just really tired of and frustrated with a lot of things right now that are slowing me down, holding me back, delaying progress, killing success, etc. and which are either out of my hands or happening for stupid reasons.

Sounds like we're on the same wavelength there with #2. Said differently, but seems the same idea.

So real-world testing will have to provide new modeling data for this gen, 5.75.7G at a minimum, in order to have a new "best practises" config for modeling going forward. Maybe that info will provide a platform going forward that is accurate for modeling, or maybe new info will have to be added at each new step. Who knows, I suppose it depends on just how big the steps remaining end up being. The bigger the steps individually are, the more of a chance for modeling to become unstable again. Which makes sense as it goes out of bounds and can't fill in gaps to make a prediction past a certain point.

Like I said, this is good news regardless. It means the programs have outgrown the old config for the models. Fantastic. That's evolution. We'll straighten out your models with new real-world data with this gen to fill in the gaps and get them accurate again. No problem. It's progress, it's very good news.

Don't stress, this is a positive! Ben will link us up in time, for now, you sit back and play with the dogs and gorge on your steak, lol . We'll get that new data for you.

I think this program is going to be unusual in it's required usage patterns relative to other programs of this generation because it deals with fear, which generally requires more aggressive approach than otherwise.  I was initially expecting a config like 1 loop per day on, 1 day on and 4-5-6 days off per ASRB2 cycle.  The answer I got was considerably more aggressive than that.  But for other programs in this gen that are not going to meet with such a stiff amount of argument, it may in fact be that we can now run 1 loop per week and be fine.  We shall see.  That difference isn't really helping me figure out the parameters though.

[fab10]

YAY! “We” are getting OF3 today! And it’s only one loop a day, that was my main wish.

[4Kingdoms]

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid244756

Alright, I dosed up on a nice fat dose of caffeine and then I sat down and had a little talk with myself. I said, "If any part of me is trying to delay, interrupt, derail, resist and or otherwise slow down my release of this program (OFv3), you need to understand that it's absolutely going to be released regardless of what you do. I'm going to try to get an answer from the models again, and if I don't, I'm just going to release it with instructions on how they can find the right answer for themselves. It's going out, and that's not going to change. So if some part of me is interrupting, stop. It's pointless, because this program will be published regardless."

Then I proceeded to get answers to the questions I asked that were clearer and had higher confidence ratings than anything I have gotten in the last several days, and it took about what it usually takes when there's no issues. Hopefully that means we have accurate answers now. So we have that now, and all we need to do is wait for Ben to link them up and publish it.

That said... I also don't know how accurate these answers are because I'm not sure what a reasonable range of options to ask about is for this big of a jump from what we have ever seen before, so it's possible that the best answer is outside any of the ranges I asked about. I think that's unlikely, but it's still possible.

OF v3 has an ASRB of 120. (60 minutes of audio, no silence.) That was VERY unexpected. I was expecting something like 1 minute of audio to 1+ minutes of silence. But it makes some sense if the program is only used for 1 loop per day on, and that's what the models indicated. The full usage patterns that emerged from the models were as follows:

1 loop per day on, 2 days on and 3 days off, use the program for 6 months straight.

I need everyone to report on their experiences in their journals so that we can see how well this answer works, and if so, make adjustments.

Please remember the following two points:

1. Do not use Hybrid until you're familiar for at least a month of usage per format with how Ultrasonic and/or Masked affect you. Hybrid is a complete unknown right now. I don't know if it is overload or not. We need to understand how Masked and or Ultrasonic format work before anyone tries Hybrid, so that I know how to interpret the results you guys get from Hybrid.

2. Do not use this program any other way than instructed for AT LEAST 14 days, and ONLY change from instructions if there is a good reason you absolutely need to. Then and only then should you make changes to the instructed usage patterns. Don't change formats for at least a month. If you find that you need to change the instructed usage patterns, ask for help and we will try to find the best options together. I'll be glad to help and offer whatever support I can on this.

And finally, please don't have expectations. Let this program and this new technology gen show you what it can do without them. That will give us all the most accurate idea of what it is actually doing.

Thank you everyone who has supported me on this, and everyone for their patience in this matter. We should be publishing later today.

Now if you will excuse me, there's a nice thick ribeye steak out there with my name on it.

Enjoy, everybody. I look forward to the reports.

[Aventus45]

Looks like the pre-order was with it. 1 loop a day for 6 months VS 8 months and a new FRM version among many other improvements. Can’t wait to try it out.