05-27-2020, 10:41 AM
(05-26-2020, 08:44 PM)LionKing Wrote: A response I got internally to "logic keeps you just as safe" right now was that logic isn't always there, assuming by "logic" you mean the thinking done by the conscious mind. It's very limited in how many things it can be processing at the same time, so e.g. if it was processing a work-related problem and and then something "dangerous" would be detected in the environment subconsciously, then the subconscious would need to raise the alarm (feeling of fear) to get the conscious part to process the situation and ensure our safety. But it's likely there has already been so much fear that a learned response (habit) has been formed to "hold" that fear in place with muscular tension, building up mental tension.
This point does have merit. However, what we see happening in many cases is that the fearful part of us, or the part reacting with fear, tends to do so disproportionately to what is best of us as a whole. The goal is therefore to have the logical mind deal with it instead of triggering fear, and we can still use the subconscious to alert the conscious mind to any potential dangers present.
Quote:So If that's correct, then there already is this hand-off mechanism to let the conscious part deal with the situation, but (1) there's too much and (2) the fear signal doesn't turn off effectively. Not sure what the OK signal is back from the conscious mind to the subconscious that all is progressed... Maybe none, and the fear signal is present until the environmental triggers are removed, and its just expected that the conscious mind would decide on actions to leave or remove the threat. Again, we can't count of the conscious mind to not give it enough focus to process it fully and then forget or avoid to ever do that, so the reminder of fear is then necessary, like a post-it note.
The way it plays out, in most cases, is that the fearful part actually hijacks the conscious, logical part, and causes us to be beholden to it and it's assessments of not only threats, but how to deal with them, even at a conscious level. This means that we have the problem we have: fear holds us back, rules our lives and does so without logic and in ways that we until recently didn't even recognize. It's basically handing the remote control for your life to a 2-3-4 year old and wondering why you can't sleep at night, or why you can't stop sabotaging yourself. The fear system in some people simply fires too strongly. And what we need is cooperation between both, but control should be on the logical side unless the situation demands response times that are too small for the conscious to handle successfully.
The conscious mind can be manipulated by the subconscious mind, and relatively easily. So having the conscious mind become aware of and focus sufficiently on whatever the subconscious perceives as a threat, without allowing the fear to override it, would solve the problem.
Quote:Of course danger/threat can be anything, e.g. the small of blood caused by a mentally-deranged tiger piling and hiding human bodies behind the car om the street that you're about to pass, to a cute babe/guy about to get the first impression of you, to perceiving to be behind or inadequate at work. So I suppose this classification would be another possible piece to try to mess with, in addition to the signaling discussed above.
Do tigers become mentally deranged? Do they pile and hide bodies behind cars? No. Those are both imagined things resulting from the fearful irrational mind making things up and then responding to them with fear. Tigers will typically only kill of they are being threatened, hungry or defending their babies. They, like all wild animals, will seek to expend the least possible energy to do so, so as to have enough energy to find their next meal. Meaning they're not going to be attacking multiple people just for fun, and then piling their bodies behind cars. In fact tigers would tend to avoid places where there are cars, unless they had their territory encroached on, and had no way to move out of the way. The logical mind comprehends this, not the illogical mind.
Quote:Do you still think the healing and clearing process works to reduce fear, if e.g. running E3 stand alone? Would that be through desensitizing oneself by examining the situation at length and, once the emotion is reduced, rationally to realize the fear is not justified, and thus allowing the subconscious to ignore those threat signals in the environment (also maybe mental environment)? I get that "execute when cleared" doesn't work because one doesn't ever consider himself cleared.
If I thought healing and clearing worked to remove fear, I would not have spent the last 2 years developing the FRM. Execute when cleared doesn't work because the fear generating part of us fears executing, and uses as an easy excuse that it can simply continue fooling the conscious mind into "healing and clearing" forever as a sabotage/delay/prevention tactic. The key isn't to heal and clear, because that approach turns out to be too high level; the key is to prevent the generation of fear in the first place. I thought healing and clearing would do that, but the problem starts below that option, so we must in turn work below that option.
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The scientist has a question to find an answer for. The pseudo-scientist has an answer to find a question for. ~ "Failure is the path of least persistence." - Chinese Fortune Cookie ~ Logic left. Emotion right. But thinking, straight ahead. ~ Sperate supra omnia in valorem. (The value of trust is above all else.) ~ Meowsomeness!
