Re: Can negative experiences have an impact on the effectiveness of the subliminals?

[P.O.G]

Sorry Shannon but I have another couple of questions for you,

Why after one negative experience would my subconscious effect me so badly in this department? I mean directly after, and still up to this day I am anxious about it all, have a lot of fear and negativity about intercourse and my ED now, and negative self talk and images take up most of my thoughts throughout the days. Why could this be? And this can't be beneficial for the OED recording? Or will it still be effective.

If it is indeed your subconscious mind doing this, and not a combination of conscious and subconscious, you are entering a situation in which a fear has been tripped, and if you know fear as well as I do, you know that fear tends to snowball without help. It gets to be ridiculous, and sometimes over the smallest things. Yesterday I was fighting with myself over getting a refund for something, which I had been putting off for days because for some reason I was afraid to get a refund... ridiculous, right? And I had built it up in my head that this was going to be terrible. When I called BS on my fear and pushed through, it was literally effortless, as I (rationally) knew it would be.

You appear to have a major fear of not being good enough or masculine enough based on a woman's perception of your sexual abilities, tied specifically to your basic ability to achieve an erection. Just as women are much more likely to be receptive to sex if they are emotionally open to and comfortable with it, so are men. If you are fearing that she will leave you, destroy your reputation, criticize you, etc. then why would you want to run the risk?

Your subconscious is in effect saying, "I'm not going to cooperate, if you try this, she'll hurt us."

But, being emotionally focused as it is, it is also being irrational, and does not realize that by cooperating, the problem goes away!

And if you don't think this happens to a lot of men, you're seriously mistaken. People don't understand that men are just as emotionally aware, and sensitive, and valid as women are. I think that's part of why so many women are critical of men.

But if your girlfriend would do anything along those lines, perhaps you have the wrong woman? A good woman, and a good relationship, won't have issues like that to deal with, because the couple trusts one another and has a deeply personal, intimate bond. That's why I suggested communicating to her about what's going on.

The anxiety isn't helping the subliminal, no, but it will still be effective with enough use. Although I think I am going to rebuild it today in 4G with OGSF included in it. I think you would benefit significantly from that.

I mean I have had quite a few sexual partners before this (casual encounters), and have been totally fine, although there were a few occasional times where I couldn't get it up, but it didn't effect me in the slightest bit. Is it because this particular female is my first proper serious girlfriend, so I have emotional attachments to her?

If you've had lovers before, but never a serious girlfriend, you are exploring relational intimacy and vulnerability for the first time, and that can be scary, especially where it bumps up against perceptions of potential inferiority that cause insecurity and fear. But if you don't make yourself vulnerable to her, and vice versa, you cannot have a serious relationship because it doesn't work that way. Serious includes intimacy, and intimacy requires vulnerability.

And hopefully this is my final question, in regards to the results of the OED subliminal message, will the results just come on when I initiate intercourse? e.g gain and remain hard during? Or will I feel my anxieties and other underlying issues go away first? I would imagine that the physical changes would occur first even if my anxieties and negative thinking remain in the concious mind, as the subconcious mind will be reconditioned to have gotten rid of my erectile difficulties, and if I have been informed right, the subconcious mind always wins?

Once again apologies for all of the questions Shannon

The results will depend on how your subconscious interprets the instructions. It could go either way. But yes, the subconscious always wins in the end, so if the subconscious gets the program running, you will have results regardless.

I agree, I know fear very well. It creates obsessive anxious and negative thoughts and just gets worse.

You are correct. My fear of not being good enough is tied to achieving and keeping an erection which should be a natural process.

That sounds really interesting, how long would it take to rebuild in 4g as I would be very interested in trying it out. Could you tell me a bit more about 4g? The shame and fear additions sound like they would be a very good addition. Would the guilt part have much correspondence in regards to the ED?

I think I'm on day 12 now, but with the few negative setbacks I've had it feels like the results I have experienced have diminished, so I can see it taking another full month before I see my desired results.

[Shannon]

I will be rebuilding it in 4G today, and possibly 5G also, although 5G takes significantly longer. I have most of the script work done for building it in 4G.

4G is basically an approach which maximizes what can be done with a subliminal script shy of getting into the more advanced technologies such as are designed for, and go into 5th Gen subliminals. The Optimus Engine, HyperSpeed Technology, Self Optimizing Scripting and MaxSpeed are all 5G only because of how they interact with the program itself. 4G cannot support them properly. That's not to say 4G isn't extremely powerful all by itself - because it is. But it is limited in comparison to 5th Gen. It's much less taxing on the brain/mind for processing requirements.

To give you some idea, my 1st Gen stuff (which is equivalent to what many subliminal providers make and offer) is only half as powerful as my 2nd Gen stuff was. 3rd Gen stuff is 7x more powerful than 2nd Gen was. 4th Gen is 3x more powerful than 3rd Gen was. And 5th Gen just goes off the chart.

It's not a hard and fast rule, but as an approximation, this will give you an idea of the difference in impact between generations. It used to take about 32 days just to start noticing the first of the consciously noticeable effects from a 1st Gen sub. 2nd Gen dropped that to about 25 days. 3rd Gen subs required about 21 days to start noticing solid results. 4th Gen subs require about 7 to 14 days to really start producing noticeable results. 5th Gen requires between about 5 days and 3 minutes (yes, I said minutes), depending on the intended goal of the program, the technology used and the complexity and length of the script.

There are huge differences in build methodology and technological variance between generations, and it makes a big impact on how well each one works, how fast it works, how obviously it works, etc. 4th Gen is a big step up from 3rd Gen. As far as I can tell, subliminals from other producers are equivalent to a program from my 1st, 2nd or on rare occasions, 3rd Generation, but nobody else has anything that compares to my 4th Generation. I am pretty much leaving the entire solar system behind with 5th Gen.

But for an issue like this, and for a 3rd Gen program, 3 months is not an unreasonable time frame for the results you desire. You're on Day 12 and have seen some results already: that's pretty impressive, actually, for a 3G program.

The same will be true of 4th Gen, although you'll see more impact faster, but in general 90 days is a good amount of time to use a program like this to do it's thing if fears are involved. As for how long it will take you to overcome this fear using this program, I don't know.

I am going to attempt to create a 5G version of this program that works as quickly as possible, but I don't yet know how fast that will be. It will depend largely on the personality of the user as to cooperation and resistance.

[P.O.G]

I will be rebuilding it in 4G today, and possibly 5G also, although 5G takes significantly longer. I have most of the script work done for building it in 4G.

4G is basically an approach which maximizes what can be done with a subliminal script shy of getting into the more advanced technologies such as are designed for, and go into 5th Gen subliminals. The Optimus Engine, HyperSpeed Technology, Self Optimizing Scripting and MaxSpeed are all 5G only because of how they interact with the program itself. 4G cannot support them properly. That's not to say 4G isn't extremely powerful all by itself - because it is. But it is limited in comparison to 5th Gen. It's much less taxing on the brain/mind for processing requirements.

To give you some idea, my 1st Gen stuff (which is equivalent to what many subliminal providers make and offer) is only half as powerful as my 2nd Gen stuff was. 3rd Gen stuff is 7x more powerful than 2nd Gen was. 4th Gen is 3x more powerful than 3rd Gen was. And 5th Gen just goes off the chart.

It's not a hard and fast rule, but as an approximation, this will give you an idea of the difference in impact between generations. It used to take about 32 days just to start noticing the first of the consciously noticeable effects from a 1st Gen sub. 2nd Gen dropped that to about 25 days. 3rd Gen subs required about 21 days to start noticing solid results. 4th Gen subs require about 7 to 14 days to really start producing noticeable results. 5th Gen requires between about 5 days and 3 minutes (yes, I said minutes), depending on the intended goal of the program, the technology used and the complexity and length of the script.

There are huge differences in build methodology and technological variance between generations, and it makes a big impact on how well each one works, how fast it works, how obviously it works, etc. 4th Gen is a big step up from 3rd Gen. As far as I can tell, subliminals from other producers are equivalent to a program from my 1st, 2nd or on rare occasions, 3rd Generation, but nobody else has anything that compares to my 4th Generation. I am pretty much leaving the entire solar system behind with 5th Gen.

But for an issue like this, and for a 3rd Gen program, 3 months is not an unreasonable time frame for the results you desire. You're on Day 12 and have seen some results already: that's pretty impressive, actually, for a 3G program.

The same will be true of 4th Gen, although you'll see more impact faster, but in general 90 days is a good amount of time to use a program like this to do it's thing if fears are involved. As for how long it will take you to overcome this fear using this program, I don't know.

I am going to attempt to create a 5G version of this program that works as quickly as possible, but I don't yet know how fast that will be. It will depend largely on the personality of the user as to cooperation and resistance.

I am very excited to hear about these 4g and 5g OED products that you are currently working on, and I do think they would benefit me highly.

Looking at your journal it looks like one or both of them are being released very soon, much sooner than I thought when reading your post. Next few days maybe? Anyway I just wondered if I would be able to stop listening to my 3g product and transfer straight to the 4g or 5g subliminal? As I feel that would be so helpful and speedy from what you've told me compared to the 3g alternative.

I'm really excited about the potential results!

[Shannon]

The 5G version is very complex. The script is pretty much built, but it's in need of some fine tuning, and I'm trying to find how to do that. There have also been some distractions for me to deal with.

Once it is built, you could transition to the new one right away if you wished.

[P.O.G]

The 5G version is very complex. The script is pretty much built, but it's in need of some fine tuning, and I'm trying to find how to do that. There have also been some distractions for me to deal with.

Once it is built, you could transition to the new one right away if you wished.

Hi Shannon, I am just revisiting this thread with a few questions and update.

I haven't had much results since I have started using the OED sub. I'm still quite anxious about my ED and it doesn't seem to have improved much. It's been just over 20 days so far so still not the full recommended time span for results but I assumed I would see minor improvements at this point so am a little bit discouraged.

I've been sleeping with headphones in (I sleep in a way to ensure the headphones don't fall out) for 10pm - 6am every night with the volume quite loud as I thought this was the most effective way. Am I doing something wrong? Should I use for more hours or listen in a different format? e.g through my laptop?

I was thinking about switching to the overcome anxiety sub? As my thoughts and anxiety are a big part of it. Or should I continue using this sub until results happen? When the 5g is released I'll definitely switch to that as I may be slightly resistant?

[Shannon]

I'd say your biggest benefit would come from using Overcoming Guilt, Shame and Fear with OED 3G until you have access to the 5G version.

[P.O.G]

I'd say your biggest benefit would come from using Overcoming Guilt, Shame and Fear with OED 3G until you have access to the 5G version.

Out of curiosity, why would you recommend the Overcoming Guilt, Shame and Fear sub? I have fear of failing to get it up and maintain it, but cant say that I have any guilt or shame right now. Would you recommend this sub because of it helping with negative beliefs? Or because of the fear aspect of it?

I would say that I am currently more anxious with negative thoughts regarding my ED. So assumed the remove negativity within or anxiety subs would have been more suitable?

[Shannon]

I'd say your biggest benefit would come from using Overcoming Guilt, Shame and Fear with OED 3G until you have access to the 5G version.

Out of curiosity, why would you recommend the Overcoming Guilt, Shame and Fear sub? I have fear of failing to get it up and maintain it, but cant say that I have any guilt or shame right now. Would you recommend this sub because of it helping with negative beliefs? Or because of the fear aspect of it?

I would say that I am currently more anxious with negative thoughts regarding my ED. So assumed the remove negativity within or anxiety subs would have been more suitable?

I recommend OGSF as opposed to OF because many times we have subconscious guilt or shame we may not be aware of. This program will deal with those also, and if they are not there, no harm done. I recommend you take my advice, as stated.

[P.O.G]

I'd say your biggest benefit would come from using Overcoming Guilt, Shame and Fear with OED 3G until you have access to the 5G version.

Out of curiosity, why would you recommend the Overcoming Guilt, Shame and Fear sub? I have fear of failing to get it up and maintain it, but cant say that I have any guilt or shame right now. Would you recommend this sub because of it helping with negative beliefs? Or because of the fear aspect of it?

I would say that I am currently more anxious with negative thoughts regarding my ED. So assumed the remove negativity within or anxiety subs would have been more suitable?

I recommend OGSF as opposed to OF because many times we have subconscious guilt or shame we may not be aware of. This program will deal with those also, and if they are not there, no harm done. I recommend you take my advice, as stated.

Hi Shannon,

After reading through the forum about other users experience’s with OGHF and general research on fear and shame I have decided to take your advice and purchased it yesterday. But haven't started using it yet but will do ASAP.

Is guilt shame and especially fear often the main root causes for; worry, anxiety, and negative self-belief and similar conscious responses?

Or is worry, anxiety and fear the same thing more or less? So when the fear and shame aspects are removed all of the other accompanying responses that I listed above will also be removed automatically?

Will this help the possible resistance that I am currently facing with OED? 33 days and still not much improvement. I'm confident that OGSF could be the missing link.

My only reserve is losing the good common sense kind of fears that protect me. For example not speaking up or saying certain things in my workplace out of fear for losing my job. Or not revealing or saying certain things to my girlfriend which I fear could impact the relationship. Or even going to areas of the city where I know that I am disliked. These are the kind of fears I wouldn't want to go. Or would common sense prevail and not allow me to do such silly things that I otherwise wouldn't.

When would you recommend that I use the sub? I currently listen to OED for at least 8 hours per day, but try to do more if I can. And work the typical 9-5 hours so am not sure how I would fit this in as well.

My goals of this are to remove the following;

Fear/shame of not getting it up
Fear/shame of maintaining keeping it up
Fear/shame of not being good enough
Fear/shame of not satisfying my partner
Fear of intimacy and intercourse
Guilt of letting such a small experience spiral almost of control and consume my thinking since then.

Are those reasonable goals? I just want to get back to how I was prior to the incident

I ask too many questions and write too much, sorry Shannon.

[Shannon]

Hi Shannon,

After reading through the forum about other users experience’s with OGHF and general research on fear and shame I have decided to take your advice and purchased it yesterday. But haven't started using it yet but will do ASAP.

Excellent.

Is guilt shame and especially fear often the main root causes for; worry, anxiety, and negative self-belief and similar conscious responses?

Or is worry, anxiety and fear the same thing more or less? So when the fear and shame aspects are removed all of the other accompanying responses that I listed above will also be removed automatically?

My understanding is that worry, anxiety and fear are all different expressions of the same core emotion. Fear. As for what causes the fear, it is variable. Guilt and shame are separate entities, but they tend strongly to tie in with one another and strengthen one another.

Will this help the possible resistance that I am currently facing with OED? 33 days and still not much improvement. I'm confident that OGSF could be the missing link.

I believe it will help you a lot. That's why I recommended it.

My only reserve is losing the good common sense kind of fears that protect me. For example not speaking up or saying certain things in my workplace out of fear for losing my job. Or not revealing or saying certain things to my girlfriend which I fear could impact the relationship. Or even going to areas of the city where I know that I am disliked. These are the kind of fears I wouldn't want to go. Or would common sense prevail and not allow me to do such silly things that I otherwise wouldn't.

There is no such thing as a fear that you need to protect you where you could not be equally well served (or even better served) by simply replacing that fear with common sense or wisdom. It is fear that makes you think you need protection. Your fears are even now trying to protect themselves, by making you afraid to get rid of them.

If you remove guilt, shame and fear, and start expressing yourself more freely, you can do it with wisdom and say what you do (or not say) because you choose to keep your job. You don't need fear for that. Or, you can conclude that the requirements are unreasonable and find a job where those restrictions do not apply. Don't need fear for that either!

As for your girlfriend, I have said it before and I will say it again. Open, honest communication is the single best predictor of a relationship's viability. Where you are keeping secrets or being deceptive (and especially where you are justifying deception by saying it helps the relationship, or downplaying it for what it actually is - e.g. "little white lies"), you are damaging the relationship by making the circumstances for it's survival artificial. When (not if) those lies and deceptions are discovered, it will either kill the relationship, or at the very least, change it. The truth will come out, sooner or later, no matter what you try to do to prevent it.

The only reason you choose to think that deception is acceptable is because you accepted a relationship that may not have been right for you in the first place. If in order to keep a woman I have to lie to her, I am not right for her and she is not right for me. But you have done so because you FEAR that you will be unable to replace her if she leaves. You believe that there are no other women out there who you could get. That is false. On average, a man has reasonable access to about 1,250,000 suitable women from which to choose in his general area.

If you cannot be honest with her, your relationship will sooner or later end. If you are honest with her, and she leaves, your relationship wasn't right for you in the first place. So if she leaves, she has done you the favor of making room for someone who will accept you as you are and stay with you when you are brutally honest with her. Win-win. Kill the fear.

Going to an area of the city where I am disliked would not require fear for me to stay safe. I would either choose not to go there out of the understanding that I may not be safe (wisdom), or I would make sure I could adequately defend myself. No fear necessary.

Fear is never necessary if you have any common sense at all.

When would you recommend that I use the sub? I currently listen to OED for at least 8 hours per day, but try to do more if I can. And work the typical 9-5 hours so am not sure how I would fit this in as well.

Listen to one for 8 hours at night, and one while you can during the day. Give priority to killing fear.

My goals of this are to remove the following;

Fear/shame of not getting it up
Fear/shame of maintaining keeping it up
Fear/shame of not being good enough
Fear/shame of not satisfying my partner
Fear of intimacy and intercourse
Guilt of letting such a small experience spiral almost of control and consume my thinking since then.

Are those reasonable goals? I just want to get back to how I was prior to the incident

You don't need goals. Just relax and allow the program to do it's thing.

I ask too many questions and write too much, sorry Shannon.

You are simply afraid. Fear knows me well. I understand. No apologies necessary. Use the OGSF program (by itself if necessary) and keep going.

[P.O.G]

Hi Shannon,

After reading through the forum about other users experience’s with OGHF and general research on fear and shame I have decided to take your advice and purchased it yesterday. But haven't started using it yet but will do ASAP.

Excellent.

Is guilt shame and especially fear often the main root causes for; worry, anxiety, and negative self-belief and similar conscious responses?

Or is worry, anxiety and fear the same thing more or less? So when the fear and shame aspects are removed all of the other accompanying responses that I listed above will also be removed automatically?

My understanding is that worry, anxiety and fear are all different expressions of the same core emotion. Fear. As for what causes the fear, it is variable. Guilt and shame are separate entities, but they tend strongly to tie in with one another and strengthen one another.

Will this help the possible resistance that I am currently facing with OED? 33 days and still not much improvement. I'm confident that OGSF could be the missing link.

I believe it will help you a lot. That's why I recommended it.

My only reserve is losing the good common sense kind of fears that protect me. For example not speaking up or saying certain things in my workplace out of fear for losing my job. Or not revealing or saying certain things to my girlfriend which I fear could impact the relationship. Or even going to areas of the city where I know that I am disliked. These are the kind of fears I wouldn't want to go. Or would common sense prevail and not allow me to do such silly things that I otherwise wouldn't.

There is no such thing as a fear that you need to protect you where you could not be equally well served (or even better served) by simply replacing that fear with common sense or wisdom. It is fear that makes you think you need protection. Your fears are even now trying to protect themselves, by making you afraid to get rid of them.

If you remove guilt, shame and fear, and start expressing yourself more freely, you can do it with wisdom and say what you do (or not say) because you choose to keep your job. You don't need fear for that. Or, you can conclude that the requirements are unreasonable and find a job where those restrictions do not apply. Don't need fear for that either!

As for your girlfriend, I have said it before and I will say it again. Open, honest communication is the single best predictor of a relationship's viability. Where you are keeping secrets or being deceptive (and especially where you are justifying deception by saying it helps the relationship, or downplaying it for what it actually is - e.g. "little white lies"), you are damaging the relationship by making the circumstances for it's survival artificial. When (not if) those lies and deceptions are discovered, it will either kill the relationship, or at the very least, change it. The truth will come out, sooner or later, no matter what you try to do to prevent it.

The only reason you choose to think that deception is acceptable is because you accepted a relationship that may not have been right for you in the first place. If in order to keep a woman I have to lie to her, I am not right for her and she is not right for me. But you have done so because you FEAR that you will be unable to replace her if she leaves. You believe that there are no other women out there who you could get. That is false. On average, a man has reasonable access to about 1,250,000 suitable women from which to choose in his general area.

If you cannot be honest with her, your relationship will sooner or later end. If you are honest with her, and she leaves, your relationship wasn't right for you in the first place. So if she leaves, she has done you the favor of making room for someone who will accept you as you are and stay with you when you are brutally honest with her. Win-win. Kill the fear.

Going to an area of the city where I am disliked would not require fear for me to stay safe. I would either choose not to go there out of the understanding that I may not be safe (wisdom), or I would make sure I could adequately defend myself. No fear necessary.

Fear is never necessary if you have any common sense at all.

When would you recommend that I use the sub? I currently listen to OED for at least 8 hours per day, but try to do more if I can. And work the typical 9-5 hours so am not sure how I would fit this in as well.

Listen to one for 8 hours at night, and one while you can during the day. Give priority to killing fear.

My goals of this are to remove the following;

Fear/shame of not getting it up
Fear/shame of maintaining keeping it up
Fear/shame of not being good enough
Fear/shame of not satisfying my partner
Fear of intimacy and intercourse
Guilt of letting such a small experience spiral almost of control and consume my thinking since then.

Are those reasonable goals? I just want to get back to how I was prior to the incident

You don't need goals. Just relax and allow the program to do it's thing.

I ask too many questions and write too much, sorry Shannon.

You are simply afraid. Fear knows me well. I understand. No apologies necessary. Use the OGSF program (by itself if necessary) and keep going.

Shannon,

I have pretty much free of ED for a while now. Up until yesterday when I had another bad experience that has played on my mind since (as it did the first time stated in this thread) and then another one today.

After months of being ED free and engaging in loads of intercourse with my girlfriend, we had a weekend out of town in a hotel. We had intercourse in the afternoon perfectly fine which was amazing as per usual, the in the evening time I couldn't perform, which worried me, but I wasn't under pressure as my girlfriend was tired, and it was me whom initiated it so it was ok (but still on my mind). Then again in the morning before we checked out we attempted sex. It was difficult to get an erection but i managed to get one that was hard enough for sex, and we did, which was ok. But this played in my mind big time, then when we tried to have sex this Morning I couldn't get or maintain one, and my previous nervous and anxious feelings had returned along with my negative thoughts in a big way.

I started using ASC about 2 weeks ago to give me full and complete sexual confidence as I still had occasional negative self talk and thoughts and wanted to remove these completely. Could the sub have caused this to happen? I feel like I have taken a complete u-turn. Should I run OED again (though I am not sure this had much positive influence on me)?

Why is this happening again?
How soon can I try OED again as I have started ASC and still currently using it?
I dont believe that OED helped me much the first time at all, but maybe this 2 week usage of ASC will improve results?