Becoming a true gallant with WM2 (The Wake of Apollo)/FINISHED

[Vincent_Vega]

I don't know Voyteks history with women right now, but I think that it can be quite difficult to escalate to sex with a women if you haven't done it often before. Even with the magic of WM/SM.
If a girl would be all over me because of a sub, I guess it would be still difficult for me to pull her from the streets to my home, into my bed and onto my dick because I haven't done it very often before subs. If it happened, it took longer as it would with the subs now.

So I totally understand Voyteks behaviour.

[Voytek]

Are you telling me that if the girl you like offers you sex, you will refuse ?

If she was hot, of course, I would not refuse. I`m not a gay!

[Voytek]

I don't know Voyteks history with women right now, but I think that it can be quite difficult to escalate to sex with a women if you haven't done it often before. Even with the magic of WM/SM.
If a girl would be all over me because of a sub, I guess it would be still difficult for me to pull her from the streets to my home, into my bed and onto my dick because I haven't done it very often before subs. If it happened, it took longer as it would with the subs now.

So I totally understand Voyteks behaviour.

Actually, I`m a vrigin and may be that`s why I`m not so eager "to do things" with women. I`ve never tried to seduce woman and lead her to my bed, so everything is ahead of me.

[Voytek]

Interesting and confusing how the same subs work differntly for everyone when i used wm, i wanted to use women for sex and submission

On which stages?

[Vincent_Vega]

I don't know Voyteks history with women right now, but I think that it can be quite difficult to escalate to sex with a women if you haven't done it often before. Even with the magic of WM/SM.
If a girl would be all over me because of a sub, I guess it would be still difficult for me to pull her from the streets to my home, into my bed and onto my dick because I haven't done it very often before subs. If it happened, it took longer as it would with the subs now.

So I totally understand Voyteks behaviour.

Actually, I`m a vrigin and may be that`s why I`m not so eager "to do things" with women. I`ve never tried to seduce woman and lead her to my bed, so everything is ahead of me.

That's totally what I meant. You can get confident, sexy, attractive and what not, but the seduction has to be learnt step by step. And having women all over you is a really great starting point for that and makes it easier for sure

[Voytek]

I don't know Voyteks history with women right now, but I think that it can be quite difficult to escalate to sex with a women if you haven't done it often before. Even with the magic of WM/SM.
If a girl would be all over me because of a sub, I guess it would be still difficult for me to pull her from the streets to my home, into my bed and onto my dick because I haven't done it very often before subs. If it happened, it took longer as it would with the subs now.

So I totally understand Voyteks behaviour.

Actually, I`m a vrigin and may be that`s why I`m not so eager "to do things" with women. I`ve never tried to seduce woman and lead her to my bed, so everything is ahead of me.

That's totally what I meant. You can get confident, sexy, attractive and what not, but the seduction has to be learnt step by step. And having women all over you is a really great starting point for that and makes it easier for sure

Yeah, and I`m ensure you all, I`m very eager to learn this but I don`t feel any pressure that I must get laid no matter what. Just step by step and I`ll "succeed", I`m sure of that. I just don`t want to lose my appreciation and respect for women and treat them like sex toys. May be it`s weird for some of us, but I am what I am.

[Life]

I think it sounds like you don't want to be used just for sex that's why you won't do that to women. That's fair, it's your choice, but we can agree you're choosing the path of less sex lol

[Benjamin]

It looks to me you have negative views about sex Voytek, it sounds like you are assuming if you want sex with a girl you are taking away from her, which isn't true because girls love and want sex too.

It's not disgusting or anything to want sex and I can see some of what you've learnt maybe growing up holds you back.

And you are also assuming that you can't love and respect women while also wanting sex with them and enjoying their body. This is one of those classic lies from feminism and all their stupid 'objectification' bullshit.

Loving and enjoying women and having sex with them doesn't have to be seperate.

[JackOfHearts]

Why everyone asking about sex now, is this thread about woman or sex?
I must have read it wrong then maybe it was named sex magnet instead of woman magnet.

It's like every guy here has only one word to define success: putting your dick inside a hole.

Is there someone here who is going to use the word love, or attraction, or feeling. It's like I'm watching a porn movie right now

Try not to push him so that he is not here to write something to please you. It's ok if he has sex and it's ok too if he just kiss girls, massage them, spend time with them, spend romantic time without using his dick. Maybe he will enjoy his time even better. There's is more than your dick even if it's awesome to have sex with a girl the world has more to offer than only that.

Looking at the title I think it's should be fine and we could named it a success story even if he doesn't have sex during his journey with WM.

Let the chips fall where they may.

[Vincent_Vega]

There's is more than your dick even if it's awesome to have sex with a girl the world has more to offer than only that.

This.

[Benjamin]

Sex is always a part of it... afterall it's not a 'friend magnet' journal is it. My journal is also a woman magnet journal but I still want to have sex with them, of course with girls who I am attracted to and enjoy being around for other reasons. Why must both of these things be seperate?

[ffaux]

I think the question is why sex is the focus when it's one of many experiences and outcomes that can come from WM that are worthwhile. Increasingly my feeling is that sex is not enough and is therefore not a worthy goal so I can relate.

[Womanizer]

At the end of the day it's about exploiting the current sub being used. In this case WM. Since its the current stage doing the programming then it's doing what it's suppost to do. To make him do whatever he feels is best. If a girl is in the friend zone, it's because it's more benificial for him to have her as a friend. Sometimes sex can ruin friendships that's why women put some guys in the friend zone. Either way sooner or later he will meet a girl he wants to have sex with. Until then he's going to keep separating women into various classes according do the products description. Proving to guys like myself that want to run WM that the sub indeed thus works.

[apollolux]

Sometimes sex can ruin friendships that's why women put some guys in the friend zone.

No, women put guys in the friend zone because they want them to keep doing stuff for them/giving them stuff and attention but aren't willing to have a sexual relationship in return even though "modern men" are still being trained/"taught" that sex is a reward that can be earned. There's no friendship ruined because there never was a friendship to begin with, it was a relationship of convenience where only the woman benefits.