Any difference between running AM-SM x times, and AM x times then SM x times?

[dissonance]

SM should maintain AM results, but it seems that SM results are often not maintained when going from SM to AM.. so I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to run SM twice, unless you need a change or some issues come up.

Can those who've done both and come back to AM after SM confirm this or comment on their experience?

[Dzemoo]

i can confirm this the actual programm will always be predominant

[Voytek]

This is a very important discussion.

Alternating 6-stage programs A B A B or doing them twice in a row AA BB ?

I'm leaning toward alternating them A B A B, from reading post #21 (Ryan's post).

Me to, especially that Alpha360 aslo has mentioned that Shannon has suggested to alter AM with other sub:
http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-5832-p...l#pid81529

A month ago I was considering if I run AM6 again or run WM2 and finally decided to run AM6 again but after I read Alpha360 and Ryan posts, I`m going to alter AM6 with WM2 and see how it goes.

[Dzemoo]

I dont think am is enough for foundation to runs sm, i would always do wm before because sm is like the next lvl if you jump from am to sm it will be hard to get the results intended, i regret runningy sm directly after am, running it after wm would be a better choice

If you want to become a real Player running am, wm, sm all three for years is the best i am no fan of running am several times before before doing Magnets, all three are equally important regarding women, but let see what results the guys will get that ran am several times, i guess nothing extraordinaly, same case with catman i said i doubt he will get results just because he is listening to a huge amount of hours and has a strong am foundation (if this is the case) - and i was right while the most guys here were confident that he will do well, magnets are something different and many guys will be lost with them

[Voytek]

I dont think am is enough for foundation to runs sm, i would always do wm before because sm is like the next lvl if you jump from am to sm it will be hard to get the results intended, i regret runningy sm directly after am, running it after wm would be a better choice

If you want to become a real Player running am, wm, sm all three for years is the best i am no fan of running am several times before before doing Magnets, all three are equally important regarding women, but let see what results the guys will get that ran am several times, i guess nothing extraordinaly, same case with catman i said i doubt he will get results just because he is listening to a huge amount of hours and has a strong am foundation (if this is the case) - and i was right while the most guys here were confident that he will do well, magnets are something different and many guys will be lost with them

Besides, WM run gives you a great social skills development and this is priceless in dealing with women. Also, robstar has written that it`s good to create social circles on WM and than benefit from them with SM. I can`t agree more with that idea. In summa, I think that SM is most beneficial for those with at least good social skills and large social circle.

[dissonance]

I dont think am is enough for foundation to runs sm, i would always do wm before because sm is like the next lvl if you jump from am to sm it will be hard to get the results intended, i regret runningy sm directly after am, running it after wm would be a better choice

If you want to become a real Player running am, wm, sm all three for years is the best i am no fan of running am several times before before doing Magnets, all three are equally important regarding women, but let see what results the guys will get that ran am several times, i guess nothing extraordinaly, same case with catman i said i doubt he will get results just because he is listening to a huge amount of hours and has a strong am foundation (if this is the case) - and i was right while the most guys here were confident that he will do well, magnets are something different and many guys will be lost with them

Besides, WM run gives you a great social skills development and this is priceless in dealing with women. Also, robstar has written that it`s good to create social circles on WM and than benefit from them with SM. I can`t agree more with that idea. In summa, I think that SM is most beneficial for those with at least good social skills and large social circle.

Well I think I remember DanAnderson having great results from SM3 but he doesn't have a "large social circle". I think same with Minitatan?

[Voytek]

I don`t question this but it`s obvious that higher social skills and larger social circle is better to benefit from SM.

[Benjamin]

I personally don't think a social circle matters in meeting women. In fact it would be more awkward for me because if they are in the social circle and i'm sleeping with them it would just make things weird. I've never done social circle game.

Sure it may help, and knowing more people you can get introduced to more people and some are girls.. but most of the girls i've slept with it hasn't been from any social circle.

[robstar]

I personally don't think a social circle matters in meeting women. In fact it would be more awkward for me because if they are in the social circle and i'm sleeping with them it would just make things weird. I've never done social circle game.

Sure it may help, and knowing more people you can get introduced to more people and some are girls.. but most of the girls i've slept with it hasn't been from any social circle.

It's the second degree of separation that is key with social circle. You're right about immediate social circle being awkward but it's the friends of your friends where the magic happens. Especially if you have a reputation of player & good fuck. For you Ben, living in a small town automatically has this effect but it's something to consider when you move to Melbourne. People can be cliquey.

[Voytek]

Yeah, it`s not a good idea to F friends but if you have a good connections with people around you, you`ve got more "options" and seduction is much easier due your "friendly aura". Besides, for me a social cicle isn`t a pack of friends but people connected with places where you go frequently (like gym, in your case, Ben).

[thor2014]

I heard SM might be too powerful just becareful. Dont fall in love with the girls you have sex with because they will leave you anyway.

Not all of us want relationships with women. Many guys want just sex and I personally want to have a fun with women and later may be somehing-something. I`m little bored with my lonely alphaness and that`s why I`ll probably start WM just before I start studying. And than I`ll redo alpha training due Shannon recommends to do this once per year (up to 3-4 runs).

[Dzemoo]

I heard SM might be too powerful just becareful. Dont fall in love with the girls you have sex with because they will leave you anyway.

Not all of us want relationships with women. Many guys want just sex and I personally want to have a fun with women and later may be somehing-something. I`m little bored with my lonely alphaness and that`s why I`ll probably start WM just before I start studying. And than I`ll redo alpha training due Shannon recommends to do this once per year (up to 3-4 runs).

True happened to me

[Geodude]

After running SM3, I definitely wished I had had a better social life. That was one of the main things stopping me.

If I could do it again, I would do
OF>AM6>WM2>SM3

[Shawn]

After running SM3, I definitely wished I had had a better social life. That was one of the main things stopping me.

If I could do it again, I would do
OF>AM6>WM2>SM3

Shannon also suggested to run AM6>WM2>SM3. But we were all too greedy to get results from SM3 and we did SM after (a single run) AM.