Alpha Male 5.0 Trial

[Shannon]

My friend, I suggest then that you realize that BAMM isn't going anywhere. Spend some more time getting to know my offerings before worrying about making such a big purchase. Woman Magnet will be available, although I have not decided whether 5G programs will be included in the sale or not just yet; but, BAMM may or may not be available, and certainly won't be in any sale I can foresee. So rest concerns. There is time, and you should be doing what is right for you, not getting caught up in fervor to buy something you're not sure of yet. If you should choose BAMM in the future, it should be because you are sure you want it and choose to use it possibly for years on end to the exclusion of everything else. Not because someone got you excited.

BAMM is a big deal, but it also demands a major sacrifice in that it must be your only program until it has succeeded.

[alphatrial4]

i do hope the 5g programs are included in the sale... :-D :-D

[Shannon]

On the one hand, I had never planned to allow them to be on sale, ever. On the other hand, I need more people to have and use them to get them to be better known as to their value. We shall see.

[K-Train]

On the one hand, I had never planned to allow them to be on sale, ever. On the other hand, I need more people to have and use them to get them to be better known as to their value. We shall see.

Perhaps in the case of 5G subliminals have a discount range in mind. Make it so that the discount can't go above 30-40%.

[Sean]

On the one hand, I had never planned to allow them to be on sale, ever. On the other hand, I need more people to have and use them to get them to be better known as to their value. We shall see.

Shannon, after adding OF to my 6th stage of AM, it's my hope that I'll feel sufficiently alphaed-up enough that I'll start WM2, which will give you another case shown on the boards.

[Shannon]

Will get there one way or the other. I'd like it to be sooner than later. But I also have to balance a lot of factors for short and long term consideration properly to make this work right.

[alphatrial4]

It's funny, I just read ben's journal about phyiscal alpha...

The same thing came up for me last night, in a way different way. I was at a family party, and I got on a scale, which I haven't done in a good year or so. I weigh 115 pounds and I am 5'7". I have weighed the same since 8th grade.. I eat a lot of food, and I now do bodyweight exercises (Convict Conditioning). I can't afford the time/money to go to a gym.

This brought up a huge insecurity, remembering getting bullied a bit in high school.. After reliving these memories, I had a desire once again to build mass... But building mass goes against my values, because with my build I would basically have to eat 4000-5000 calories a day to really build, and that is incredibly unhealthy and counterproductive to meditation/qigong. My health is more important than being big. So the desire to get bigger vs. the desire to progress spiritually are at odds, and the spirituality will definitely win. However, I have decided to ramp up the intensity of my exercises to maximize gains... Found a great workout, that should be at a new level. I'll be eating well, a lot of protein, etc. But there is only so much I can realistically do that doesn't conflict with my higher values. So I am definitely going to always have a small build, but I can get stronger, and some more mass/definition. I'm well on my way to a very good "ripped" look.

I haven't had this problem yet on the alpha program. I have felt very alpha with all sorts of females without a second thought about my body, but I guess it was only a matter of time before it came up (it's been dormant in my subconscious). So I guess all I can really do is work out, and then deal with the resistance. I imagine pretty soon I won't care too much about my mass, as long as I am strong and fit and healthy.

On another note, my attitude has definitely changed. If this bully did to me what he did to me in high school (pick me up in the locker room and carry me out of hte locker room, with the girl I liked outside in the gym witnessing it, simultaneously becoming more attracted to him as days go on while losing all respect for me)... I would at this moment definitely punch him in the face, or at the very least, look him square in the eye and tell him not to treat me like that, etc. something I never would've had the courage to do. Likely, that wouldn't end well for me ( at all) but the fact that my attitude has shifted on this program to stand up for myself is nice.




Other than this -- I have been feeling increasingly alpha. As far as socializing at the family party it was a whole distinctly new level, where I felt like I owned the whole place. Great feeling.

[alphatrial4]

Another huge issue came up. Felt a sort of affection for my ex, so started texting her very casually. Next thing I know we're on the phone getting very intimate, etc. Lots of fears came up. I was very open with her, which I don't regret, because I truly love her.

But I love her, and also have the most incredible anger at her... I can't be with her because being with her constantly brings up all of the most negative darkest parts of myself. I can't even get anything done, it's like an energetic warfare. I have too many goals right now to be dealing with all of these emotions. It drags me away from my purpose because the emotions are so heavy. And I don't think a relationship should be that way.

THe question is where is the line? When are the emotions such that they can be sublimated/released and the relationship improved... and when are the emotions just going to be there no matter what due to some fundamental friction between the two people? I always have this notion that i have to fix myself.. that I shouldn't be getting upset about this.. Our relationship would be better if I acted this way instead. This is not fair to myself, to blame myself all the time. It makes me sink down into Guilt and shame. Perhaps the relationship is just going to be on that vibration no matter what I do.

I really do believe she is an incredibly special girl, and the reason I haven't met any other girls on alpha is because it seems shallow and fruitless when compared to a relationship with such a unique and powerful resonance. But perhaps what I need to do is date other girls to get a wider perspective, as I am still young. I even told her this, and she understands completely (at a rational level, perhaps not emotional).


I think she is a soulmate (i guess let's not get into that unless we move to the religion thread). I remember Shannon posting something about his experiences with an ex that was difficult to leave, it'd be helpful if you chimed in. We have been split for a year, but it still lingers on just the same, and I feel the same about her as I always have (Deep love mixed with lots of petty anger and hurt) . Out of everything in my life, this is probably the situation in which I'm the least alpha. Last night there was a marked change though. I was quite matter of fact, and she even said "what's wrong with you?" which I took as a positive sign. THe program is working, but I'm only 20 days in and it can only do so much on what is probably the biggest difficulty for me (of the last 2 years).

Anyway it'd be great to hear your experiences guys ---

[Sean]

I had trouble leaving my previous girlfriend. That was due to fear, and she kept drawing me back in to the relationship easily because I was afraid. It was not a healthy relationship, and for a while I deceived myself by focusing only on the good parts and shoving the bad parts down. I held on to the belief I formed early in the relationship that we had a huge connection, and that it would all be OK eventually.

Try looking at "meeting women" from another perspective. It seems to me that you are very results-oriented in meeting women, in that you have a belief that meeting a woman is for the sole purpose of forming an intimate relationship with her. What would it be like if you let go of that belief, and instead adopted the belief that meeting women was just an opportunity to meet high quality people and bring them into your life, without any limits on what role they can take in your life? They can be acquaintances, friends, lovers, girlfriends, or candidates for marriage. There will be many acquaintances, few girlfriends, and a very select few who are candidates for marriage.

Think about it for a while: what would it be like?

[alphatrial4]

"I held on to the belief I formed early in the relationship that we had a huge connection, and that it would all be OK eventually."


Ouch.... That hit so close to home. That is the premise I"ve been operating under for 3 years.


I find it so hard to see the situation objectively. She definitely is very kind to me, so I think that makes it even harder to see the relationship as being "messed up." If she was mean, it would be very simple, I would've abandoned ship a long time ago. But just because someone is nice, and in love with you, doesn't mean it's correct I guess, even if a lot of those good feelings remain. I guess if there is any doubt, it usually means something isn't right.... That's a hard fact to swallow.


And yes, that's more the vision I have had for meeting women, and I've even seen it manifest in my life to some extent. The heavy emotions around my ex kind of cloud that vision I guess, and I become afraid of hurting her, or whatever other 100 fears there are. I actually would like to experience casual no-strings sex, just to see what that is like. There are a few potentials, but I recoil out of fear of the unknown I guess. And I have been enjoying just befriending women, it feels healthy to be surrounded by women without expectations. It is only once I started talking to my ex actually, I do/did a complete 360 into a state of guilt and fear.

I had a good meditation after my first post, where a lot of the emotion/blockages cleared out. This all brought up some of the most deep, primal emotions I have I think. I also really like Byron Katie's the work, when the mind is chattering about it too much to meditate.

Edit: I just realized, the reason my ex clouds my vision of how I want to relate to women, is because she is holding on to this monogamous image, and since I value her, I go with her values instead of my own core values.. out of fear of hurting her. Since it would hurt her to see me with various women, I recoil from that scenario because I don't want to hurt her. Fear of hurting her is at operation big time.. which is funny because with most people I really just speak my mind. Only the closest few present a real problem..

whew!

[Sean]

I just realized, the reason my ex clouds my vision of how I want to relate to women, is because she is holding on to this monogamous image, and since I value her, I go with her values instead of my own core values.. out of fear of hurting her. Since it would hurt her to see me with various women, I recoil from that scenario because I don't want to hurt her. Fear of hurting her is at operation big time.. which is funny because with most people I really just speak my mind. Only the closest few present a real problem..

BANG! I think you hit it on the head, there. I'm glad you're giving AM5 a fair shake, because making myself my top priority is a HUGE benefit I've seen from the program. I'm certain that my ex will be hurt to discover it when I've found a new girlfriend, and I don't let that stop me from meeting new women, because I won't sacrifice my happiness to prevent her from experiencing negative emotions. The fact is that those emotions are part of her life, her grieving process, and existence. They also allow her to move on to find her own happiness in other relationships and hopefully find one that works for her and her partner.

If I did, I would be tremendously limiting my own happiness while also contributing to her own emotional stagnation.

Finally, there are many women you may date over your lifetime: don't deny them and yourself the pleasure of those relationships!

[Shannon]

Alphatrial, think on this. You are not responsible for what emotions she chooses to respond to your actions with. She is. And if she is hurt, that is her choice of emotions, and it's okay, because she made that choice. Not you. You are responsible for YOU, and your actions. Not hers. So if it hurts her, that's unfortunate, but again... it's her choice how she responds. It's her responsibility how she responds. And it's your responsibility to take care of your needs, wants and desires.

By "threatening" to be hurt by you doing what she doesn't want you to do, she is manipulating you. By allowing her threat to dictate your course of action, you're allowing her to manipulate you.

Whenever you have a difficult negative cycle that keeps repeating itself, you can be sure it'll be the "k word", and it'll keep repeating itself until you learn from the pain and break the cycle.

[Sean]

What's the "k word"?

[Tiesto]

What's the "k word"?

I'm guessing it's Karma.