10-07-2013, 05:28 PM
Sarge, I am done with trying to discuss the whole thing with you, my injections have been aimed at trying to help and warn you. You will take from them what you will, and that is that, so I've got nothing else to contribute on that.
But I have to say, you amaze me more and more every time you post. Condensed as much as I can reasonably condense it, your philosophy repeatedly seems to me to boil down to, "If I accept it as normal, it doesn't matter what it is, it's okay!" I guess everything is justifiable if you try hard enough.
Interestingly, that's the same exact philosophy that's leading the United States to become the most obese country in the world. Instead of facing the issue that being overweight is undesirable, unhealthy and uncomfortable, the general populace has decided that it's easier and more pleasant to simply redefine "normal" so that what was once fat or obese is now accepted as the standard. There are even fat pride and fat rights movements, while they completely disregard the fact that they are costing society in many ways, including higher medical costs and insurance.
The Shadow concept isn't intended to make everything okay by accepting it and stopping there. It's intended to allow you to start coming to terms with something to be able to deal with it, overcome it, outgrow it and move on.
Simply accepting that one is arrogant or what-have-you is only the first step of the process. Arrogance isn't a good thing. So if you stop right there and just accept and allow it to be okay because you've justified it somehow, you're missing the whole point: now that you've identified the issue and accepted that it is an issue that you must face, you have to deal with, overcome and outgrow it.
But that's not fun or easy, is it. And so many people these days are happy to justify away anything they have to in order to take the easy path. That's why I don't have an "Accept yourself the way you are" sub, because accepting yourself the way you are is a great way to stop improving yourself. Why bother? You're just right the way you are - no matter how immature, overweight, emotionally damaged, or whatever else you may be. Let's just sit here in this field of flowers and forget about the issues, because they're unpleasant and uncomfortable to deal with. We're just right the way we are.
My comments here are intended to get you thinking. I'm offering you a point of view that I hope will get you to consider that perhaps there are things you've limited yourself from seeing that would benefit you. It seems to me that you have a very limited understanding of the concept of karma, and a very convenient point of view about the rest. Morals and ethics are then subjective, and what is good or bad is undefinable, because everyone makes up their own definition. Anything goes.
And hey, if you happen to hurt someone in the process of fulfilling your own desires, who cares? They obviously deserved it because it must be them repaying karma, right? Well maybe. But in my experience, there's no such thing as simple. The closer you look, the more complex it gets. And that has certainly been my experience with these topics.
For whatever it's worth.
But I have to say, you amaze me more and more every time you post. Condensed as much as I can reasonably condense it, your philosophy repeatedly seems to me to boil down to, "If I accept it as normal, it doesn't matter what it is, it's okay!" I guess everything is justifiable if you try hard enough.
Interestingly, that's the same exact philosophy that's leading the United States to become the most obese country in the world. Instead of facing the issue that being overweight is undesirable, unhealthy and uncomfortable, the general populace has decided that it's easier and more pleasant to simply redefine "normal" so that what was once fat or obese is now accepted as the standard. There are even fat pride and fat rights movements, while they completely disregard the fact that they are costing society in many ways, including higher medical costs and insurance.
The Shadow concept isn't intended to make everything okay by accepting it and stopping there. It's intended to allow you to start coming to terms with something to be able to deal with it, overcome it, outgrow it and move on.
Simply accepting that one is arrogant or what-have-you is only the first step of the process. Arrogance isn't a good thing. So if you stop right there and just accept and allow it to be okay because you've justified it somehow, you're missing the whole point: now that you've identified the issue and accepted that it is an issue that you must face, you have to deal with, overcome and outgrow it.
But that's not fun or easy, is it. And so many people these days are happy to justify away anything they have to in order to take the easy path. That's why I don't have an "Accept yourself the way you are" sub, because accepting yourself the way you are is a great way to stop improving yourself. Why bother? You're just right the way you are - no matter how immature, overweight, emotionally damaged, or whatever else you may be. Let's just sit here in this field of flowers and forget about the issues, because they're unpleasant and uncomfortable to deal with. We're just right the way we are.
My comments here are intended to get you thinking. I'm offering you a point of view that I hope will get you to consider that perhaps there are things you've limited yourself from seeing that would benefit you. It seems to me that you have a very limited understanding of the concept of karma, and a very convenient point of view about the rest. Morals and ethics are then subjective, and what is good or bad is undefinable, because everyone makes up their own definition. Anything goes.
And hey, if you happen to hurt someone in the process of fulfilling your own desires, who cares? They obviously deserved it because it must be them repaying karma, right? Well maybe. But in my experience, there's no such thing as simple. The closer you look, the more complex it gets. And that has certainly been my experience with these topics.
For whatever it's worth.
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The scientist has a question to find an answer for. The pseudo-scientist has an answer to find a question for. ~ "Failure is the path of least persistence." - Chinese Fortune Cookie ~ Logic left. Emotion right. But thinking, straight ahead. ~ Sperate supra omnia in valorem. (The value of trust is above all else.) ~ Meowsomeness!