10-04-2013, 02:49 PM
(10-04-2013, 01:55 PM)Shannon Wrote: And I'm sure you don't accept the idea that our actions have consequences that return to us, or that the things we do that harm ourselves or others must be repaid in kind, but I can assure you that I have seen more than enough times in my life the evidence that leads me to believe that there is no action or choice that does not require balancing if it harms oneself and/or another.
I do, actually, I just don't have the same "morals" (right, wrong, harmful, etc) as you do.
Morality is subjective, like it or not.
As for the "Karma" thing, anything "bad" I do to someone, I assume they deserve it. Either they did something to reciprocate my "badness" or it will help them in their journey.
I believe that life is progressive, not a balancing act. Everything that happens or is done is for the ultimate continuation and benefit of the universe and it's life-forms.
Meanwhile, I would never do anything that would put myself at risk. I happen to believe in reincarnation, so if I can't do something this time around, I'll gladly wait for the next.
I really don't want to argue with you about this, because let's face it, we both believe strongly in what we believe (as does everyone) it does NOT, however, mean that you, or I, or ANYONE is completely 100% "right".
There is nothing but perceptions and opinions when it comes to "right or wrong".
Now, I'm thinking of using the Nazis as a great example of how people can justify anything and believe it's right, but it's overdone, and you could use the same thing for your argument, thus proving my point about morality, but also rendering the whole thing useless.
I have no problem with you disagreeing with me and enlightening me as you have before with the story of how you almost got shot, that was very much appreciated.
I do not, however, appreciate being labeled as someone who's just trying to escape responsibility for his actions. On the contrary, I accept everything I've ever done and can live with it. If you, or some woman's husband can't, that is your/their problem, but my conscience is clear.
If they shoot me, I get what I deserved for not taking necessary steps to ensure that wouldn't happen (which may, in truth, mean NOT sleeping with her to begin with), or whatever else might happen, I can accept it.
Keep in mind, from where I'm trying to go, I actually WANT women who are open enough with themselves that we can be sleeping together and still have other lovers. I believe this is THE way it should be. I have NO issue with women who sleep around, and neither (imho) should anyone else.
Live and let live, that's how I see it. If we are secure enough in ourselves, we don't need a partner to be exclusive. We cherish them enough to let them do their own thing, and we value their love enough to let it be shared.
The biggest problem I've always had with marriage and relationships was the "forsake all others" notion.
For my part, I have a BIG heart, and I just can't forsake anyone who I want to love or care for.
So yeah, I can accept that people might not be at my level and get pissed, angry, vindictive, murderous, spiteful, or whatever else. That, again, is THEIR problem to work with in ALL their lives, not just this one.
I do, however, resent statements that close the book on this issue which is important to me and, I would hope, everyone.
