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[Sean]

I wasn't aware of what cdt was, unfortunately I found no video but had a read of the site.

And just what i've read so far I don't get a good feeling about it.

"CDT is a soft-handed control/restraint system comprised of the most effective non-vital, non-aggressive techniques that can effectively control, escort or disarm an aggressor."

No.. stuff like they are talking about can work if somebody is pretty compliant. But somebody really wanting to hurt you, using 'non vital, non aggressive techniques' is going to get you hurt. Especially by yourself. There is a reason security usually works in teams, people complain "oh there was 6 of you onto that guy" but they don't realize the more of you there is the less force you need and you can more likely do the restraint and control stuff.

Yes i've restrained some people by myself, but when it really comes to it you need to do something aggressive and decisive to put them down, not a gentle armlock kind of thing.

Anyway, I think this proves i'm missing my training as the guy I was teaching stopped, i've put flyers up but haven't found anyone else yet.

Anyway sounds like you may have experience in this area Sean? What have you done?

-Ben

Ben,

I've been through CDT training. It's neither ineffective nor gentle.

[RainbowAbyss]

AM must help with depression a bit though? A mean turning internalized anger
into assertiveness is a quite a solid cure for non-endogenous depression

[Shannon]

AM must help with depression a bit though? A mean turning internalized anger
into assertiveness is a quite a solid cure for non-endogenous depression

I can't make claims of a cure, and the program isn't designed to even deal with depression. When it does help, it's a good thing. But it's going to depend on a lot of factors that are out of my control within the person. So don't rely on it for help with depression. If it happens to be helpful, great!

[Yuri]

AM must help with depression a bit though? A mean turning internalized anger
into assertiveness is a quite a solid cure for non-endogenous depression

I can't make claims of a cure, and the program isn't designed to even deal with depression. When it does help, it's a good thing. But it's going to depend on a lot of factors that are out of my control within the person. So don't rely on it for help with depression. If it happens to be helpful, great!

Dont listen to this guy he is a modest,

It DOES help. and i promise you that.

[Sean]

AM must help with depression a bit though? A mean turning internalized anger
into assertiveness is a quite a solid cure for non-endogenous depression

I can't make claims of a cure, and the program isn't designed to even deal with depression. When it does help, it's a good thing. But it's going to depend on a lot of factors that are out of my control within the person. So don't rely on it for help with depression. If it happens to be helpful, great!

Dont listen to this guy he is a modest,

It DOES help. and i promise you that.

To be clear, Shannon is not a licensed physician or doctor of any kind. Making claims that his products can treat depression would be illegal, since he's not legally qualified to make those claims. This is especially true because the current societal perception of depression appears to be a chemical imbalance of the brain requiring pharmaceutical intervention.

It would be more accurate to say that AM allows the user of the subliminals to change their paradigm, which may relieve the symptoms of clinical depression.

I am not a doctor, and I believe that since the brain and body are integrally one unit, the thought-body feedback loop can be affected on both side of that loop. Negative thought patterns support poor health, just as poor health supports negative thought patterns. Conversely, positive thought patterns support good health. Antidepressants can relieve depression, but so can the right thought patterns, in my opinion.

These thought patterns exist consciously and subconsciously. By using Alpha Male, one changes those thought patterns, and the new patterns will change one's neurochemical condition.

In myself, I'm noticing a big change in my outlook and personal level of happiness since embarking on the AM journey, and I believe most other men will, too.

[Yuri]

AM must help with depression a bit though? A mean turning internalized anger
into assertiveness is a quite a solid cure for non-endogenous depression

I can't make claims of a cure, and the program isn't designed to even deal with depression. When it does help, it's a good thing. But it's going to depend on a lot of factors that are out of my control within the person. So don't rely on it for help with depression. If it happens to be helpful, great!

Dont listen to this guy he is a modest,

It DOES help. and i promise you that.

To be clear, Shannon is not a licensed physician or doctor of any kind. Making claims that his products can treat depression would be illegal, since he's not legally qualified to make those claims. This is especially true because the current societal perception of depression appears to be a chemical imbalance of the brain requiring pharmaceutical intervention.

It would be more accurate to say that AM allows the user of the subliminals to change their paradigm, which may relieve the symptoms of clinical depression.

I am not a doctor, and I believe that since the brain and body are integrally one unit, the thought-body feedback loop can be affected on both side of that loop. Negative thought patterns support poor health, just as poor health supports negative thought patterns. Conversely, positive thought patterns support good health. Antidepressants can relieve depression, but so can the right thought patterns, in my opinion.

These thought patterns exist consciously and subconsciously. By using Alpha Male, one changes those thought patterns, and the new patterns will change one's neurochemical condition.

In myself, I'm noticing a big change in my outlook and personal level of happiness since embarking on the AM journey, and I believe most other men will, too.

Oh. I appreciate you pointing out the obvious sean, and to be even more accurate AM does help with depression , and by the way Antidepressants suppress depression it does not relieve it.

[Sean]

Perhaps you've confused "relieve" with "cure".

The cure comes from within.

[Yuri]

Actually relieve goes under different meanings and one of them falls under release and relief which is connected to what u said and the way you related things, and the way i see it is the human body is already cured in it's truest and most raw form, and so you only need to release the excess bullshit you carried over the years.

[Sean]

Good point. I think we're saying the same thing in different ways.

[Shannon]

Yuri, my point is this.

We have no definitive proof yet that it has any effect on depression because I can't yet do clinical studies. So while you may believe it has helped you, and I may believe it has helped you, and it may appear to have helped others as well, the best we can say is that we believe it has affected and/or helped people affect their depression. We don't have definitive proof.

It may indeed help depression, but perhaps it only helps some kinds of depression. Maybe it helps some kinds more than others. Maybe there's another explanation entirely. I don't think so, but we can't claim that it affects depression universally or universally affects all types of depression, and we can't even definitively prove that the program is responsible for the effects we have observed.

Again... it sure looks like the program is helping to me. It makes sense logically, based on what I know about psychology and what's in the program. But we only have reason to believe it's a possibility right now... not proof.

I'll get proof as soon as possible, but until then, let's keep it clear what we really know, and what we strongly suspect is true.

[djkenetics]

13 days in it...feel like some of the "effects" wore down...I think I had a lot of placebo in the beginning but I still feel subtle changes, I am a bit more assertive still, I like that. Still feel very frustrated in general, don't really feel like talking to girls at all right now...not that I ever did but still lol. I guess I'm still just preliminary, I will continue listening to it over night with the rain masked. I been doing 8-10 hours a day so far.

Oh yea, I have had more lucid dreams listening to this over night or maybe its coincidence but I doubt it, I'm thinking the messages are bringing these meanings to my dreams and I remember them easier.

[Sean]

Most AM users have experienced the vivid dreams throughout the program. Stage one is a clearing stage, where it's laying a foundation to get you set at a known starting place before later stages start bringing out "the big guns".

It is likely that your assertiveness was a placebo effect, however a placebo effect is still an effect, so roll with it! Build some momentum on that: it can only help you, later.

[djkenetics]

I read in another thread that first few stages cause you to be uninterested in women?
I heard shannon say that
like really?

[Sean]

Dude, being disinterested in women is WAY better than it sounds.

It's like walking into a Zen meditation garden from a noisy city street. It also gives you a zero-pressure paradigm for growth. It's REALLY REALLY hard to grow when you're chasing tail. Additionally, if you're using AM to be more attractive to women, being disinterested in them gives you a great deal of composure when you're chatting with them. When you're not worried about "closing", you can just go with the flow and have a good time with the women.

Don't confuse disinterested with repelled. I never stopped enjoying the sight of a beautiful, well-dressed woman at any point during AM.