11-06-2016, 01:08 PM
(11-06-2016, 12:44 PM)wolverine_i_am Wrote:(11-06-2016, 09:21 AM)RTBoss Wrote:(11-06-2016, 01:26 AM)wolverine_i_am Wrote:(11-06-2016, 01:09 AM)Benjamin Wrote:Quote:Let's keep DMSI focused on being pursued, not the pursuer.
I disagree with this, though I seem to be in the minority thinking this.
Despite the goal it's important to still be able to deal with the fears and stuff so you CAN talk to girls when you want and move it forward instead of being forced to be passive and wait for them to do it.
Or because of having a mentality of "they should be doing it with this program" that you're falling into. I've even seen it to the extreme of someone being like "Oh this woman come right next to me and smiled big at me but I did nothing because she's meant to do it with DMSI".
Maybe not exactly that but close.
Yes it would be cool having these attractive girls talk to me, I do get it occasionally. But I don't feel that the option to talk to them should be eliminated and it sounds like that is where some guys want it to head. Personally I don't, why not the ability for either.
As a side note, coincidentally from my experience as i've had less 'baggage' around initiating myself, for example when it just flows for me, or when some fear is cleared I actually have girls responding better and sometimes initiate with me without me having to. If you still have all the baggage and fear around initiating it also holds them back from initiating. Sounds weird I know, but i've found that's how it has worked.
Well said! I feel like it is turning into this lazy route for many users. They see a girl hovering around and looking at them. "Oh I refuse to do anything, cause the goal of DMSI is supposed to get women to make a move on me." Are you really gonna cockblock yourself? Just make things easier for the both of you. Say hi to her. She is hoping you would, so make it happen.
No one said anything about not responding to women. Shannon's focus for the program is getting women to initiate, not getting the men to do nothing. He's just not promoting men to "do the work," not keeping them from it. Big difference.
Are people worried that, if approached, users will self-cockblock or mess up the opportunity that's presented, thus feeling the inclusion of Natural Seduction will help out? I don't know. I do know that I'll defer to Shannon's expertise. He's the man who writes the script!
Also, Wolverine, since you're a proponent of the "just do it," attitude - and repeatedly call people who aren't cold approaching lazy - how bout you just get laid already, or are you too lazy to escalate? Clearly everyone is at a different place with women, let's have a little leniency with those who aren't where we are, eh?
You're putting words into my mouth now. I didn't say they are lazy cause they refuse to cold approach per se. I believe it isn't for everyone. I used 'lazy' to refer to people who make comments that they shouldn't have to do anything and it's all up to the girl to make a move on him. I'm not the only one who shares these thoughts either. If you're afraid to make a move and all, it's fine to admit it. We have all struggled with that. That's why we may need OAA and NSFM in the program. But like Ben said earlier, cause of the design goals of DMSI, it's making a lotta guys lazy thinking they needn't do anything cause they expect DMSI to do all the work for them (getting the girl to come up to them and seduce them all the way). What I'm saying is stop treating DMSI as the magic pill.
Thanks for clarifying. I think a lot of these guys are just plain afraid. Like Chaos said, they want to be approached and experience the high attraction, but if it happened, would they know how to handle it?
People who don't have any social skills are probably SOL with this sub. Teaching people what to do after being approached or while interacting with women in general is beyond the scope of DMSI. Even so, it will be nice to see reports like, "I got asked to fuck today, and I said 'You're not perfect but I like your fat sacks, they're really big!' and then she slapped me across the face.'" hahaha