DAOS 4G

[chaosvrgn]

Good to see you guys too.

Chaos, I can't see what's "logically wrong" with stating what works for me and what hasn't. Yeah, they're different subs and so far DAOS has been best for me. That's not my opinion, it's a fact.

I never said DMSI isn't working, I'm just saying I don't like the results because I don't want those results. Same with 3.0 which I quit after 7 days. There's nothing illogical about that.

After I quit 3.0 running no sub these things happened:

- Won my first fight by knockout in the 2nd round

- Attracted 2 fwb's and 1 ons in a month

- Won close to $6000 in sports gambling

I'd say it's more illogical to assume that ALL of those results you mentioned DEFINITIVELY happened because of DMSI.

Awesome shit can happen with or without subs, I got more attraction using nothing and I had 10 times more success with using Aqua Vitae around some girls than I ever got from 3.0 or 3.1. Phero's are auric too, no? 'specially when the ioi's come flying from 20-50 yards. There was a stripper from Scotland and her Dutch friend who were objectifying me an entire night using Aqua Vitae, the phero known for being simple and even "brutish". Then these amateurs on pherotruth wonder why they don't get any results wearing all these "advanced" combos with like 8 different products. Contradictions, all I have to say. Same with DMSI, it made me resist my own nature.

Anyways, good to see you train Muay Thai, bro. After what I've seen I'd be leery about learning it from anyone who is not thai and hasn't won anything significant. I've seen some shit and sparred a bunch of wannabe's, Americans are no exception. And these guys are "certified Muay Thai trainers" after a week long course, lol, with no actual ring experience besides some random TKD or whatever. Not to sound cynical, but ask for their credentials or your money back, most likely both.

I'm not questioning what has worked best for you or not. It's just that a bunch of people are going to misunderstand what you're saying and assume that "DMSI is broken" because it's a denser sub than DAOS. You saw what Darkness posted just a few minutes ago? That's what I'm talking about. There's this idea that no one's getting laid on DMSI, or no one's getting results at all and suddenly DAOS is.

That's all. Although, I wonder if your post v3 results were caused by the bloom. Same thing happened to me when I quit v3 and went to MHS for a month. Female attraction skyrocketed and I got this new job.

So again, not even saying DAOS is a bad sub -- I've even recommended it to a few of my friends over DMSI. Just saying that DMSI isn't "broken" or "flawed" as so many people are prone to saying. It's a different tool with a different purpose.

As for the Muay Thai instructor -- trust me, he's the real deal. I saw him break a coconut with a round kick the other day. And he had me hold the thai pads while demonstrating a kick and I've never in my life been hit like that before. Dude would crack your skull with a round house kick. Crazy.

[Darkness]

Maximum sexual irresistibility , aura of sexiness , its purpose is the same.

I'm responding to the examples you provided if yourself (not selective memory )and those others, which detailed side effects. not the titular.

You've been running 4 months after 2.3 and you went from getting it in to talking about ioi's.

Take into account you already got it in b4 subs

[Sickologist]

I won my fight because I had the best trainer I could ask for. I got those girls because they were good to go on a tropical island and because of my game, I won those money on a combination of luck and skill, mostly luck.

A roundhouse isn't a Muay Thai technique. Some use it, but that's only in so called tourist arenas where showing off is more important than anything to please the drunken crowd. A real trainer would slap you in the head with his pads whenever you try to spin. You don't spin in Muay Thai fights, it makes you bewildered and vulnerable to a variation of dangerous elbow strikes. A wheel kick is fine tho, as long as you get back the same way to unleashed the kick. Sicko is a counter attacking fighter just waiting for his opponent to do something stupid like a roundhouse or the predictable right hook after a double jab.

[chaosvrgn]

I won my fight because I had the best trainer I could ask for. I got those girls because they were good to go on a tropical island and because of my game, I won those money on a combination of luck and skill, mostly luck.

A roundhouse isn't a Muay Thai technique. Some use it, but that's only in so called tourist arenas where showing off is more important than anything to please the drunken crowd. A real trainer would slap you in the head with his pads whenever you try to spin. You don't spin in Muay Thai fights, it makes you bewildered and vulnerable to a variation of dangerous elbow strikes. A wheel kick is fine tho, as long as you get back the same way to unleashed the kick. Sicko is a counter attacking fighter just waiting for his opponent to do something stupid like a roundhouse or the predictable right hook after a double jab.

The MT roundhouse is one of the two basic kicks in Muay Thai, other than the push kick (teep). There's multiple ways to throw the roundhouse, but it's still called a roundhouse. It only leaves you "bewildered" if you don't control your hands, because your hands follow your body: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Xzp1Wm-M4

I'm not sure why you're saying it's not a "muay thai" technique -- they perfected it over the Korean and Japanese ways of throwing it.

I can't believe you're actually condoning the use of a wheel kick (spinning heel kick), as most people can't throw the damn thing with any kind of power or speed.

But at the end of the day, I take BJJ, Muay Thai and Boxing as seperate disciplines, but I fight in an Octagon, so I'm not pure to any of the styles. Let's move the chat from Kol's thread to mine: http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-8537-page-5.html

[SargeMaximus]

Sarge manifested his first date and I think kiss.

I'm not sure where this "DMSI doesn't manifest sex" shit is coming from. Selective memory is not logic.

Yep. First kiss, first makeout, first 3rd date with no sex. I think that is the part that makes me think something is off on DMSI. That was on Ver. 3.0.1 I believe. But I'm willing to accept that perhaps I don't know everything that's going on. Still, a 3rd date should be "in the bag". Not sure what went wrong.

Glad Sicko's back tho.

[Sickologist]

I looked it up. What we call roundhouse where I'm from they call hook kick some other places. Or reverse hook kick, people can't make up their mind. I thought you meant that, the kick where you turn around to kick high with your heel. That will leave you bewildered.

In Thailand they simply call it thai kick, or if you're lucky, kick. Kickboxers call it round kick. No wonder about the confusion. I have never heard anyone refer to a thai kick as a roundhouse until now. The main difference is that thai fighters extend their leg completely whips it in one technique, you won't see that elsewhere.

A wheel kick is hard to defend against. If you can pull it off, it's potentially deadly.

It's hard to blend styles, but it can be done. I used to hate Mayweather because I thought he was boring, but now I can't get enough of the guy, seriously. I'm working on adjusting all his defensive tactics into muay thai.

[Shannon]

I just read through this thread, and I have to say, you guys astonish me with the lack of logical thinking skills. Here's an example, one of many I could give - but, I have neither the time nor the patience or energy to show you guys all of what I mean.

Sick states that he used 3.0 for seven days before quitting. Presuming that he used A and didn't screw that part up, that is still disregarding the instructions. Basically, running away. Then he states that he's used 3.1-B for I think 3 weeks? Meaning he again disregarded the instructions and effectively ran away from A. But of course DMSI doesn't work.

IF you do not follow the directions, AND the directions are telling you how to achieve the best results, THEN you will not achieve the best results without following the directions.

But it's DMSI not working. Sick didn't disregard the instructions! Sick's not running away and sabotaging the program! DMSI doesn't work.

Wow.

Another example. If DMSI doesn't work and DAOS does... why does DMSI get such hate? Why are you guys even talking about it? If DAOS is so much better, then DMSI is irrelevant. No reason to talk about it. Yet this thread is chock full of DMSI and how terrible it is compared to a program I created 6 or 8 years ago. As if I have learned nothing during that time, and you guys somehow know more about my field of expertise than I do. Again... not logical.

You guys are only serving to prove what I said before: there will end up being those who execute, those who stonewall and those who run away. This thread represents those who run away. Have fun with that, guys.

[Sickologist]

Did you actually read my post? Doesn't look like it when you're the one being illogical here.

Please show me where I said 3.1 (or 3.0 for that matter) didn't work. And for the record, I've been using B versions of both. I thought you already knew my stance on healing that clearing.

I laid out the results I had with 3.1 after using it for about a month, haven't counted the days so it could be 3 weeks. But that's not the point. Neither is the point whether the sub is working or not.

I'm not running away from anything. You seem to expect that your customers are a bunch of losers with no awareness. I said I don't want the results DMSI has given me. I want results that are positive for me as an individual. That's my choice, and trying to ridicule me for it shows all about your character.

If you create a program that I paid for and am not happy about the results, it's well within my rights to say it.

[SargeMaximus]

I haven't run away. I've followed the instructions to the T. I get that I resist it at times, but I'm just providing my feedback.

It's not like I'm sitting on my ass either, I'm putting in work. Going on dates, going for makeouts, going for SEX the whole reason of the program. You can't say I didn't go for it, you can't say I ran from it when I was going for it.

Talk about logic? How does me going after sex equal running away from it?

[Darkness]

Difference in thought and experience using it following directions , not hatred.

We were discussing DAOS, and what worked for us

I don't see the problem with having view that is unlike others. All while being logical and civil

[Shannon]

Did you actually read my post? Doesn't look like it when you're the one being illogical here.

Please show me where I said 3.1 (or 3.0 for that matter) didn't work. And for the record, I've been using B versions of both. I thought you already knew my stance on healing that clearing.

Post #20 is a good quick example. I'm not going to spend a lot of time arguing that point, because it's pretty obvious what you're saying if you read the thread. And using B is supposed to be done after using A, because B is for straight execution and A is for clearing the way to being able to get results on B. Not using A, then, and getting results you don't like on B, points to you not following the directions. I believe your stance on healing and clearing is, "Run away!!!"

I laid out the results I had with 3.1 after using it for about a month, haven't counted the days so it could be 3 weeks. But that's not the point. Neither is the point whether the sub is working or not.

I'm not running away from anything.

Of course not. You're refusing to use A because you know you'll get better results by not following the instructions, right? The truth is, you don't want to use A because you know that it will require you to deal with some stuff that you prefer to avoid instead of deal with. Which is kind of, I don't know... running away. Let's call a rose a rose here, Sick.

You seem to expect that your customers are a bunch of losers with no awareness. I said I don't want the results DMSI has given me. I want results that are positive for me as an individual. That's my choice, and trying to ridicule me for it shows all about your character.

Then maybe follow the directions? Just going out on a limb here. I'm not trying to ridicule you, I'm pointing out a gross error in logical thinking.

Look, if DMSI isn't for you, fine, whatever. Use DAOS. No skin off my nose. But you don't get to disregard the instructions and then claim that the results are indicative of a problem with the program or how it's being developed.

I have no beef with you personally. But the way you're doing things here needs to be called out. And if you think that's me attacking you, it's not, but whatever. I am just pointing out some logic errors. If you wanna start playing lawyer games with what I am saying and attacking my character in all this, you should stop now while you're ahead. The fact is, you are not using the program correctly, and you are complaining about the results you get. That's on you. Take some personal responsibility for your choices. I spent the time to make A so people who could not handle B would have a way to get to that point. At least if you were following the instructions, you could legitimately say there was something wrong, and it would provide data for me to improve the program. All you're doing at this point is intentionally ignoring the instructions on how to get the results and proving that A exists for a reason. Which I already knew. The goal is to make it work. I'm not disputing that it's not done yet.

If you create a program that I paid for and am not happy about the results, it's well within my rights to say it.

True. It's also well within my rights to point out where you are not happy with it for reasons that come back to what you chose to do - namely, disregarding the instructions and failing to provide any useful data for improving it while engaging in logic errors that misrepresent the facts.

[Shannon]

By the way, Sick, don't make the mistake of thinking I am singling you out - it wasn't just you engaging in the logic errors. You just provided the easiest example to point out.

[Sickologist]

I don't have a lot of issues to deal with, that's been taken care of long ago. There's literally no negative crap stored in my mind to prevent me from achieving my goals. Feel free to think otherwise, but I know myself better than anyone.

It seemed to me that version B was the compromise for the people who didn't want to get involved in the healing/clearing.

FYI, I didn't have any negativity using these subs and I was executing the script as my original post indicates. My point was simply that I prefer the results I had on DAOS over DMSI. That's my personal choice and you did in fact blow it out of proportion.

To say "play lawyer games all you want" means that you're taking the moral highground and expect me to argumentative, but guess what? I won't. We both know what happened here. And there's no logic errors to anything I've said here.

[Sickologist]

By the way, Sick, don't make the mistake of thinking I am singling you out - it wasn't just you engaging in the logic errors. You just provided the easiest example to point out.

...and condescending