(11-22-2016, 03:49 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(11-22-2016, 03:22 PM)RisingSon Wrote: Second thought: Let's put a "i'm damaged, fix me" vibe into DMSI which would def get results from the hottest of hotties! Heh... Maybe not.

Holy shit, that would be AWESOME, especially if the damage included social retardation.

Then, as she makes the guy her pet project, she proceeds to fulfill his every sexual fantasy. :o

(11-22-2016, 03:44 PM)Aventus45 Wrote: So for NS in DMSI is it designed to get us to respond in the way that affects the sniped person? Or is it supposed to be a mix of the users natural way of seduction and the way she is the most receptive?

Edit: I would think the latter would make it more of a natural transition and effective.

(11-22-2016, 03:51 PM)RisingSon Wrote: Shannon, you may be inserting yourself into a savior position in an attempt to "save us from ourselves" or something.

I don't think it's possible to save women from themselves. Once you see through to their base nature and have forsaken all the cons. It brings out a whole new level of understanding. It's uncomfortable, but is what it is.

I base most of my views around nature or ancient laws from wise old men. No, it's not necessarily good karma to go around killing people and I would certainly not. However... Certain things sure do elicit the mating instinct.

Women have always adored soldiers, the violent, the brave. That certain intensity is panty dropping. The alternative is to be a beta provider and eventually get cuckolded by the stronger stud.

Being a beta only works if society collectively shames women into monogamy and although a great strategy that basically created civilization, we are way past that point. Female nature has been unleashed and now it's adapt or die. (With them now shaming men instead, lol).

(11-22-2016, 03:42 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(11-22-2016, 03:32 PM)Shannon Wrote: The first rule is, you as a human being cannot force the whole world to operate the way you want it to. No matter what you do, how much you want it, or who you are.

That is the rule you refuse to follow. You do seem to be making strides in the right direction, though.

I don't know how the world works, if I did, I wouldn't be having this problem.

And how do you know I'm making strides in the right direction? You must be seeing something I'm not, you must also know what the right direction is, in which case why don't you just tell me or write a book or something?

(11-22-2016, 03:32 PM)Shannon Wrote: You can change certain things through various means, but not the whole thing. That means you have to go with the flow sometimes. Work with "what is", instead of trying to change it. The key is knowing when you can change something, and when you cannot. It's not always easy to learn, or teach that stuff. I've tried to help, but we don't seem to communicate well enough for me to put it in words that you understand. Maybe that is not an accident.

Here's the problem: "What is"... what is that? What really IS what is...

That's so vague it could mean a million things. That's why I don't understand. I need specific examples of things that "are" or "what is" and the contrast to "what is not".

(11-22-2016, 03:32 PM)Shannon Wrote: Some rules you are meant to be aware of, and some you are not. For those you are not supposed to be aware of, you have to rely on your deep subconscious, higher self or whatever you want to call it, to help you out. Which I'm doing through subs.

Beyond that, it's the grindstone of life. That's why they say youth is wasted on the young: they don't know what they've got, because they haven't had the experience to understand yet.

I think autism is a little different than just failing to learn "what is". Just saying.

I don't want to put limiting beliefs on myself, but with all the knowledge and experience I have, you'd think if I didn't have some defect of the mind I'd have figured this out already.

What I need is examples of the "what is" stuff.

If you really want to help, just point it out.

I made a post about a girl in the library today, if you really want to help, explain what happened, because I can't. The girl literally did a 180 on me while I was interacting normal, with no neediness, nothing that I can see was wrong, yet her sudden repulsion and "snap" in behavior indicates I did do something, or did not do something, and I need to find out lest I keep doing this over and over and over to infinity.

Quote:Shannon:

In Funky's journal you and others were discussing Freezing instead of executing DMSI's script.

I'm reading a very interesting book entirely about this freeze response, called "Waking the Tiger" by Peter Levine. Very highly reviewed on amazon and goodreads.com

It argues that this freezing is rooted in our animalistic "fight/flight/freeze" response to trauma. After escaping a predator, you will see gazelles shake uncontrollably for a little while before eating grass like nothing ever happened.

We tend to focus on fight/flight, but the freeze response is just as viable in the animal kingdom. In many cases it is the best chance of survival. Levine believes that emotional trauma caused by this response, and that many mental illnesses are rooted in the body's inability to escape the tension built up in the nervous system from the freeze response.

Humans have forgotten how to do this, and because we have the neocortex, we can partially override this natural release and mess up the process even further through denial and rationalization. My guess is that myself and others are doing this to some degree.

I'm not sure how this could help the script, but it seems very related and I thought you might find it helpful or just relevant/interesting.

Quote:I've had this happen to me on any sub with a healing component. For me, it was like this:

Imagine you have an open, festering sore and apply some kind of cleaning agent on it. It burns like hell while you're cleaning it, and when you stop, it feels better. But... there's still infection there. It feels like relief because much of the infection's been cleansed. Once you apply the cleansing agent again, it starts to hurt all over again -- maybe even worse, because now you're going past the surface level infection and hitting the source.

E2 is that cleansing agent, removing all the nasty emotional trauma in your subconscious. It doesn't hurt as bad when you stop running it, but as soon as you run it again, you start to resist and feel that emotional pain again.

Quote:There are two possible things that this could be. The first one people have talked about. The other one is... you've just broken through and you're proud of yourself and all happy about it... and then... "Back to work. More work to do."

"Awwww man...."

You may want to take some time (hours) to allow the victory to be savored.

(11-22-2016, 04:04 PM)Shannon Wrote: Every time I start to explain, and you take interest, you ask me a series of questions, and I spend a lot of time and effort in answering, and then you find ways or reasons to disregard what I have said. So I'm not explaining anymore, because either you don't want to actually get it, or somehow I am not communicating effectively or both.

As for the snap behavior change... there was a reason. She just didn't tell you what it was. Women assume men can read minds.

(11-22-2016, 04:24 PM)Steven Wrote: Shannon,

1) How about a simile like "I am like a drug to women"?

Based on what you wrote, I'm guessing the unconscious would try to interpret this literally and fail, after which it would be archived. Is that right?

Quote:2) How about something I know isn't true because of facts such as "I have had sex with 1000s of women"? Would the unconscious just dismiss this, or try to make it true by changing one's identity and behavior?

Quote:3) What if you are trying to change your identity so you use a phrase that isn't true, but you use it with the goal of it becoming true such as "I am a Powerball jackpot lottery winner" or "I am an Indy 500 winner" or "I have an internationally recognized brand"?

Quote:Would that force action congruent with that to change one's identity and achieve those goals? Or would the unconscious dismiss it?

(11-22-2016, 04:28 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(11-22-2016, 04:04 PM)Shannon Wrote: Every time I start to explain, and you take interest, you ask me a series of questions, and I spend a lot of time and effort in answering, and then you find ways or reasons to disregard what I have said. So I'm not explaining anymore, because either you don't want to actually get it, or somehow I am not communicating effectively or both.

As for the snap behavior change... there was a reason. She just didn't tell you what it was. Women assume men can read minds.

Hmm, well there's got to be a way. Obviously I'm not understanding you, but I don't believe that communication is impossible, otherwise languages couldn't be translated.

As for disregarding things, it's easy to disregard something when I have proof from my life's experience that it hasn't worked that way in the past. If you were to tell me, for example, that women DON'T have sex with skinny guys (just as an example) and I then asked you "how come there is a porn video with a skinny guy banging a girl then?" that wouldn't be invalid. Nor would it be a failure to understand what you're saying. It would be a valid contradiction to what you've stated as fact.

In much the same way, I have experiences that disprove what is usually said. The problem is, instead of recognizing these anomalies, I'm branded as someone who is "beating their head against a wall" or other such nonsense.

In thje example above, that would be like me bringing up that bit about the skinny guy and then you (or whoever, doesn't have to be you. Could be anyone) says "dude, until you stop being so stubborn, you'll never get it". Now tell me how that even makes sense?

So I hope you can see that this isn't just an ego trip, a failure to "get" something, or a stubbornness but, perhaps, it's a stance coming from direct experience.

Now, I don't know how to reconcile this (I certainly can't lie to myself and say "yeah, skinny guys don't have sex with women" as an example. Meaning: I can't disregard the experiences I've had, and until they can be dis-proven, I will be stuck UNLESS an explanation can change or negate the experience.

I just don't know. I have so much desire and will to understand this but something is definitely not adding up, so I need to find out what.

And obviously I'm the newb here, but I don't understand why some things can not be explained unless, of course, those explaining them have no idea themselves.


Let me ask you this: In regards to the woman in the library, do YOU know the reason for the 180? If so, what was it?

(11-22-2016, 04:56 PM)Minititan Wrote: Version 3 of DMSI is sounding like the subliminal equivalent of a sexiness nuke. I have an amazing feeling about this next version.

(11-22-2016, 03:49 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(11-22-2016, 03:22 PM)RisingSon Wrote: Second thought: Let's put a "i'm damaged, fix me" vibe into DMSI which would def get results from the hottest of hotties! Heh... Maybe not.

Holy shit, that would be AWESOME, especially if the damage included social retardation.

Then, as she makes the guy her pet project, she proceeds to fulfill his every sexual fantasy. :o